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crzymdups
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7/13/2005  9:39 PM
I think people who think this team will miss the playoffs are greatly underestimating the effect Nate Robinson will have on this team.

Last year, Marbury was one of the league leaders in +/-, but not because he was great, when he was in the Knicks outscored opponents by about 1ppg. But when Marbury SAT DOWN, the Knicks were outscored by 12ppg. So Marbury was +13 every game, because our bench was so bad at the guard spot. Think about it: most of the year it was either Moochie or Jermaine Jackson getting time at the guard spot when Marbs sat down.

Now, when Marbury sits down, we have a warrior who inspires his teammates. I hope he gets more than 15mpg, maybe almost 25mpg, but EVEN if Nate only plays 15mpg, I have to believe the number will be better than -12.

NAte Robinson is going to make a huge difference.
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7/13/2005  9:42 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Q absolutely choked against Ginobili and the Spurs. His last two games were attrocious. I don't get it - you do realize that Nash got Q tons of wide open looks all year and he still shot 39%fg and 36%3pfg? Wide open looks. It's not like Marbury will be able to get Q more open than Nash did. Against a team that stayed home on him, Q did nothing.

Kwame is a better player in every way shape and form. So is Jamal. If we hadn't gotten Nate in that trade, I would feel queasy right now. As is, I think we won the trade, but let's not overrate Q just because his name is fun to type and he won a three pt shootout. He's limited.

I realized that KT for Nate was the deal and Q was cap filler!

Teams are going to play zone against us all year!
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7/13/2005  9:43 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Unless something presents itself that is intriuging

I read on the Laker board that kwame will only get a 2 year 14mm$ contract and he wants three years. For me, I really would give up Q and give him the additional 3rd year+an option. We could start Kwame and Channing at C+PF

If I really thought that highly of Q or IF I had to pay Kwame out of the arse I wouldnt do it. But actually Im taking back less $ and Im opening up time for Nate and trevor--which is what I think is right. Id like to see Marbury more of the 2G this year with Nate and Jamal at the 1.

Agree that unless something develops, just stand pat and see where things go.
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7/13/2005  9:45 PM
Posted by crzymdups:


you've created a series of assumptions that you won't allow yourself to be talked out of...

The point was the Suns had a young athletic team and Isiah is building a young athletic team. Acquiring a 23 year old 7-footer does not mean we have to trade our 28 year old all-star point guard.

You would be absolutely correct except for the fact that I see it being VERY difficult for Isiah to bring in another All-Star caliber player to compliment Marbury & Co. Even with Kwame there, there's no guarantee we could even come close to making the playoffs. Marbury is just past his prime, and keeping him means we have a certain window of time to make something happen. We would absolutely HAVE TO add another impact player to the roster between now and the trading deadline in order to make all this worth it.

The other option would be to trade Marbury, and allow yourself more breathing room to add the players you need to become an elite team in the East. That's the more sensible, less-aggravating way to go.
That said, going with option 1, if possible, could really pay off.

Those are the only 2 scenarios I think are viable, and to mix and match is just plain stupid IMO.



[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/13/2005 21:47:03]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/13/2005  9:47 PM
It's a no-brainer trade. Q is NOT that good. he hasnt even shot 40% in his last 3 years, including a 37% year with the clipps. If he was a great defender OR even a good one Id think about but falt out he is nOT.

Kwame when given the PT and into the action with two PG on the floor at all times should shine. that would give us tremendous length upfront 7-0 6-11. Maybe we dont make the playoffs this year, maybe we do, but thats a solid foundation.

I would give them Q in a heartbeat and I would give Kwam ehis third year, with an option for 4. Its also a money game for kwame--despite that fact he can get S+T he can simply fly the coop.

I think most people here would rather have Brown over walker and giving up Q is not a big deal--its like we traded KT for nate and kwame--EVERYONE wouldve done that.

Q is a dime a dozen.
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7/13/2005  9:47 PM
Just past his prime? Most people consider a bball players athletic prime to be age 27-32. He's just entering that period.
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7/13/2005  9:57 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Just past his prime? Most people consider a bball players athletic prime to be age 27-32. He's just entering that period.

Not quite. Most players enter their prime around 5 years after they enter the league. I'd say that spans from the 5th year - 8th year.

Marbury was drafted in 96. I'd say he's just past his prime.

Now, the rules don't necessarily apply to players that were drafted at a younger age. Marbury was only 19 then, so I'd say he still has another 2 good years left in him before he starts noticeably slowing down. With all the driving he does and hits he takes in the paint, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he needs ANOTHER surgery by then.

2 years doesn't give us much time. Marbury will be 30+ by then, and if we don't have another impact player in the rotation, I don't see us making much noise at all.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/13/2005  10:03 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Marbury is just past his prime, and keeping him means we have a certain window of time to make something happen.

see, that right there makes you lose all credibility
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7/13/2005  10:05 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by bobs3304:

Marbury is just past his prime, and keeping him means we have a certain window of time to make something happen.

see, that right there makes you lose all credibility


care to explain why? or are you blinded by Marbury's all-consuming talent?

let me rephrase - some of you forget that Marbury has been in the league for EIGHT, that's right, 8 seasons. That's no walk in the park, especially when you're the type of PG that Marbury. That style of play takes a toll on your knees after awhile. Don't let his age confuse you...it's the number of seasons he's played that makes the difference.

I'd say he has 2, maybe 3, quality years left. That is def. a small window of time to work with, especially when you consider how hard and time-consuming it is to land another impact player that we'd need to push us over the helm.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/13/2005 22:09:26]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/13/2005  10:08 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by bobs3304:

Marbury is just past his prime, and keeping him means we have a certain window of time to make something happen.

see, that right there makes you lose all credibility


care to explain why? or are you blinded by Marbury's all-consuming talent?

you are hilarious. marbury past his prime? was GP past his prime at that age? marbs put up better stats than GP at the same respective age. His numbers havent faltered. I agree players usually HIT their prime around 28, but for guards, they can usually go strong well into their 30s. Nothing points to marbury being past his prime, or declining for that matter... now you explain how the F* you could possibly believe he is past his prime.
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7/13/2005  10:10 PM
see my last post (before this one).
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/13/2005  10:11 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

see my last post (before this one).

that doesnt explain sh!t
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7/13/2005  10:12 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by bobs3304:

see my last post (before this one).

that doesnt explain sh!t

then you're on your own kid...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
jaydh
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7/13/2005  10:13 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by bobs3304:

see my last post (before this one).

that doesnt explain sh!t

then you're on your own kid...

just face it sonny, your a marbury hater, and everything you say about him being past his prime is garbage.
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7/13/2005  10:15 PM
Wow. What is with you guys insisting I hate Marbury.


If I'm telling you I don't hate him.....then I don't hate him.


I'm a Knick fan. I don't jock individual players.


I have to hit Gristedes before I go night night.
I'll see you fellas in the morning.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/13/2005 22:16:19]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/13/2005  10:18 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by bobs3304:

Marbury is just past his prime, and keeping him means we have a certain window of time to make something happen.

see, that right there makes you lose all credibility
man I wish every Knick past their prime played like Marbury does!
jaydh
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7/13/2005  10:18 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by bobs3304:

Marbury is just past his prime, and keeping him means we have a certain window of time to make something happen.

see, that right there makes you lose all credibility
man I wish every Knick past their prime played like Marbury does!

i know, what a joke to even say that.
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7/13/2005  10:25 PM
even if we don't get kwame, we need another big guy. Butler is no way ready and not sure if he ever will be. no way can stay as is, we need at least a james, or hunter, some big body to at least bang then can play frye some at center. we need to get more size in offseason.
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7/13/2005  10:46 PM
I'd be happier if we can get any kind of Post Defense without taking on a terrible contract and we can clear out a guard because it looks like Nate is going to deserve some playing time.

I don't see how you keep Marbs, Craw and Q happy and still manage to get Nate any kind of consistent minutes
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7/13/2005  11:20 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by bobs3304:

Marbury is just past his prime, and keeping him means we have a certain window of time to make something happen.

see, that right there makes you lose all credibility
man I wish every Knick past their prime played like Marbury does!

i know, what a joke to even say that.
Lebron's past his prime too!
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