Posted by gunsnewing:



thats true but how did Houston draft francis and Yao? by sucking for a few years rather than being a 40win/1st round exit team.

That is another huge factor in trading Marbury. Bogut would've been a lot nicer to have as our franchise Center than Frye

Posted by nyk4ever:

What did Guns do wrong in quoting? lol

Posted by nyk4ever:


Guns, we all know that, but like I've told you a million times before, the Knicks are NEVER and I REPEAT NEVER going to be that bad while under Jim Dolan... you have to begin to understand that rather then ignore it and hope that it happens. While Jim Dolan is the owner the Knicks will NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER be that bad.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by gunsnewing:



thats true but how did Houston draft francis and Yao? by sucking for a few years rather than being a 40win/1st round exit team.

That is another huge factor in trading Marbury. Bogut would've been a lot nicer to have as our franchise Center than Frye

Guns, we all know that, but like I've told you a million times before, the Knicks are NEVER and I REPEAT NEVER going to be that bad while under Jim Dolan... you have to begin to understand that rather then ignore it and hope that it happens. While Jim Dolan is the owner the Knicks will NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER be that bad.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/12/2005 19:34:26]

Posted by gunsnewing:


these arguments are about Isiah convincing Dolan that the best way to rebuild, SINCE HE IS REBUILDING, is with high lottery picks through the draft and with cap room so that you can fill the holes. jeez people are so afraid of being a lottery team for a few years. It makes no sense to me considering we're not getting far with this team ever

Posted by nyk4ever:


Your right Bobs, but he has control over what players on the roster. I am absolutely certain that he has certain paremeters that every GM must follow, and they read: Winning a championship would be great, try to win every year but I don't ever want a team that won't sell tickets to Madison Square Garden. Which is why you've never once seen Jimmy Dolan complain about the Knicks 35-40 win teams becuase they are good enough to keep the fans coming to the games and maybe get into the playoffs but not nearly good enough to win a championship. While Jim Dolan is here you have to hope there is a good GM running the Knicks who can work with what he has and fill the roster out by NOT rebuilding through 20 win seasons. I think Isiah is doing a great job with that.

Posted by gunsnewing:



sounds like you're talking about Zach Randolph I hope so man. it would take something like TT and our 2006 #1 pick unfortunately. I still rather stack up on his lottery picks and land the next duncan,lebron, KG etc but you're right about Dolan being content with putting fans in the seats

Posted by bobs3304:

Posted by nyk4ever:


Your right Bobs, but he has control over what players on the roster. I am absolutely certain that he has certain paremeters that every GM must follow, and they read: Winning a championship would be great, try to win every year but I don't ever want a team that won't sell tickets to Madison Square Garden. Which is why you've never once seen Jimmy Dolan complain about the Knicks 35-40 win teams becuase they are good enough to keep the fans coming to the games and maybe get into the playoffs but not nearly good enough to win a championship. While Jim Dolan is here you have to hope there is a good GM running the Knicks who can work with what he has and fill the roster out by NOT rebuilding through 20 win seasons. I think Isiah is doing a great job with that.

Actually, hypothetically, if Isiah brought in Harrington, fillers, and a pick for Marbury and a player to be named, we'd be left with a core of Q Rich, Crawford, and Harrington, with up and comers in Sweetney, Lee, Frye, Nate, and Ariza. While we would certainly not make the playoffs, and more than likely be a lottery team even with the addition of a young big man, we'd be EXCITING. If we were a poor, poor, poor man's Suns next season with Marbury gone, we'd still sell out. Fans would embrace a GENUINE attempt by the Knicks orginization to start relatively from scratch and BUILD, rather than rehash. I know I'd pay to see them, especially to see Nate.

Your making my point for me Bobs, I think Isiah is doing a great job becuase he's rebuilding this team without going through the 20 win seasons that most teams take to rebuild and he's doing so in a way where the team is still exciting and still very competitive. Some people on this board are talking about a rebuilding phase like the Hornets are going through and Dolan would never ever do that becuase no one would go and watch those games. Isiah has done a masterful job while still keeping the team extremely competitive which I believe is a RULE for any GM that is hired under Jim Dolan becuase he wants the ticket money that the Knicks sell. The Knicks are a business asset to him not a toy and thats why they will never a Hornets, CLippers, or Warriors style rebuilding where the Knicks go out and get the #1, #2, or #3 pick in successive years. It has to be done right under Dolan and I believe Isiah is doing a masterful job.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/12/2005 20:30:36]

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by bobs3304:

Posted by nyk4ever:


Your right Bobs, but he has control over what players on the roster. I am absolutely certain that he has certain paremeters that every GM must follow, and they read: Winning a championship would be great, try to win every year but I don't ever want a team that won't sell tickets to Madison Square Garden. Which is why you've never once seen Jimmy Dolan complain about the Knicks 35-40 win teams becuase they are good enough to keep the fans coming to the games and maybe get into the playoffs but not nearly good enough to win a championship. While Jim Dolan is here you have to hope there is a good GM running the Knicks who can work with what he has and fill the roster out by NOT rebuilding through 20 win seasons. I think Isiah is doing a great job with that.

Actually, hypothetically, if Isiah brought in Harrington, fillers, and a pick for Marbury and a player to be named, we'd be left with a core of Q Rich, Crawford, and Harrington, with up and comers in Sweetney, Lee, Frye, Nate, and Ariza. While we would certainly not make the playoffs, and more than likely be a lottery team even with the addition of a young big man, we'd be EXCITING. If we were a poor, poor, poor man's Suns next season with Marbury gone, we'd still sell out. Fans would embrace a GENUINE attempt by the Knicks orginization to start relatively from scratch and BUILD, rather than rehash. I know I'd pay to see them, especially to see Nate.

Your making my point for me Bobs, I think Isiah is doing a great job becuase he's rebuilding this team without going through the 20 win seasons that most teams take to rebuild and he's doing so in a way where the team is still exciting and still very competitive. Some people on this board are talking about a rebuilding phase like the Hornets are going through and Dolan would never ever do that becuase no one would go and watch those games. Isiah has done a masterful job while still keeping the team extremely competitive which I believe is a RULE for any GM that is hired under Jim Dolan becuase he wants the ticket money that the Knicks sell. The Knicks are a business asset to him not a toy and thats why they will never a Hornets, CLippers, or Warriors style rebuilding where the Knicks go out and get the #1, #2, or #3 pick in successive years. It has to be done right under Dolan and I believe Isiah is doing a masterful job.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/12/2005 20:30:36]

ehh I have a hard time buying that no one will go watch the gains considering they would still be exciting and competive and the fact that they are IN THE MIDDLE OF MANHATTAN!