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oohah
Posts: 26600 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/7/2005 Member: #887 |
7/13/2005 1:19 PM
Please no. Isiah seems determined to ruin an otherwise fruitful summer if all this garbage about Walker is true. Now they're saying a S+T involving Sweets for Antoine. Damned if that's not exactly the last thing this team needs. The Knicks front line may have players worth developing, but without a true starting-material forward (Such as Walker, who is a star, like it or not.) they will be just about the worst front line in the NBA, and among the shortest, with Channing Frye in frequent foul trouble. Having to take Vin Baker b/c of Crawford sucked, but having to take Walker b/c of Steven Hunter or vice versa will suck even more. If they are a package, I say forget both. Vin Baker because of Crawford? I don't understand. I am pretty sure Baker was here before Crawford. I don't think Isiah would "have" to take Walker, Walker would be the primary part of the deal. Hunter would be a bonus. Why do you want a marginal player like Stephen Hunter: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/steven_hunter/ but you don't seem to want a player who was better in every category (Except blocked shots.) his first year than SH has been ever, even if you add all his seasons up? This may not be very popular but I'm not totally against this move. You shouldn't be against it, it would be a good move, who cares if it's popular? It would really depend on who's involved in the trade and will there be picks included in any way. I'm the first to say that I hate Antoine's game, I hate his defense....hell I even hate his face! I never really liked Walker either...too ****y, but why do you hate his game (Especially on offense?)? His defense is average or slightly worse because he likes to gamble for steals too much, probably because of his poor defense. (Confusing?) But at the end of the day we are starving for good post play. Would he bring that? After all this would be the biggest stage he has every played on and maybe he'll play in the post more and pick up his D. But then again.....maybe not. The Knicks are the biggest stage but the Celtics are a pretty storied franchise, and the fans pay attention up there. AW would not only bring post play, he would be the best post player we've had since we lost Patrick Ewing. Maybe Walker will play in the post and fit seemlessly and selflessly into the team offense, instead of chucking an inordinate amount of 3s at a bad percentage while otherwise dribbling the ball all the time. And maybe Tim Thomas will win defensive player of the year also. Walker only chucked 3's for three years in Boston when THAT WAS THE GAME PLAN. Then he chucked some more last year while on the Hawks. I don't blame him. Otherwise his 3 pointers-attempted numbers have been fairly reasonable. Tim Thomas is a Fugazy and I have no argument with negative views of his game. exactly. Walker is not a post player. there's a reason boston wants him gone yet again. at 30+ He isn't getting any better. we would be the worst fit for walker. you can get by with one chucker. we have 3 Yes, he is a post player and has been for plenty of his career. I know plenty of lifelong Boston Celtic fans (Who live in Boston.) they were all happy to see AW back, and most of them think Danny Ainge is crazy; Did you know he bases his moves on a strange psuedo-science?(I believe it is called brain typing.) Atoine Walker is 28 and will turn 29 on Aug 12, I think he has a few good years left in him. You can get by with one GOOD CHUCKER. and AW has shown himself to be an EXCELLENT CHUCKER. It's not really the number of chuckers but the pecking order of chuckers. With AW our order would be: 1)Stephon Marbury (Move everybody up one spot on the list if you don't consider Marbury a chucker.) 2)Antoine Walker 3)Jamal Crawford 4)Q (Flip positions with JC depending on who is having the better game/season.) Allan Houston is not a chucker. he can be a post player, hes acutally really good in the post. he just chooses not to play that way, but when he does, hes very effective. Finally, someone who has seen AW play and not just read sportswriter BS about him! I really think AW's style of play is a coaches' decision. Look how he did his best to fit in at Dallas. but, with that said, in no way would i ever want walker on the knicks. all those times walker and pierce would laughed at the knicks teams in our most recent year, F'em. That's a good reason, the same reason I never want Michael Jordan or Phil Jackson near my Knicks. Walker's first few years in the league he was close to my favorite player. I wish I could have seen cornbread... He boarded. he passed. He handled the ball well. He got out and ran. And he had the numbers to show it... Then under O'Briens's tutelage he turned into a 3-point chucker. Rreally screwed himself up. Exactly. In my opinion it ruined how the public views him. The ****y antics never helped either. Still, during those years with O'Brien he was a good player and still is! I don't know if he has the desire to go back under the boards and put his tricks to work. I don't trust him a lick anymore, but the guy still has so much more talent than he lets show. If he has more talent to show, then we should sign him immediately. Everyone here is obsessed with perceived "upside". That's Boston's problem and I don't want it to be ours. If I had to look at Walker and TT on the same team I'd develop a major digestive disorder. I think acquiring Walker would be our chance to unload TT. Yeah, Walker was a force down low in the beginning, but he is not welcome here. He is as far as I am concerned and I think he would become big with the fans, selling jerseys like crazy. If Isiah makes him a Knick, that would be the biggest shock & disappointment for me What is your alternative? - like when I met a gorgeous girl in Philippines only to find out later while dancing sexy with her that she was a he (TRUE STORY). Sorry, but it can't be that bad, or else you didn't think it was that bad  And that is too much information for me (What did you do when you "found "her" out") This move would go against what I think Isiah is trying to do with youth movement/rebuilding. If I could, I'd veto this move. Walker is 28 and would be 29 at the start of the season. Personally, I don't think most of us have the stomach for totally sucking while we "rebuild". If you consider Walker old we should get rid of Marbury and start watching the Nets for a couple more years. What about a TT and Sweetney trade for Walker and Hunter....???? No one on this board actually want TT or Penny back, why not get rid of one of those bad expiring contracts for guys that we really can use? A good coach can restrict Walker from taking bad shots...Penny's contract is currently useless. Trading it would do the Knicks a lot of goods.... Yes, we can use this as an opportunity to unload useless players and get a very good one back, thereby clearing some playing time for the "young guys" to develp without being creamed because they are playing too much. Walker's a very good player who's carried teams deep in the playoffs. For a low price, I'd gladly take him. Larry Brown would be the perfect coach to discipline him. Ahh, a voice of reason... I'd be happy to have Antoine, but only at $5.2m! That would be great. But it is not realistic. Sweetney is a better fit on this team- a player who plays underneath- our only real inside presence that might actually get better. Walker is better than sweetney underneath. He just needs to be played there. Remember, players don't make the game plan. Sweetney is just not that good in my eyes. He can be a decent NBA player but I don't see this star potential that others do. Sweetney might be able to anchor the circle line but he can't anchor the Knick's front line. He's young, he's cheap and he's tradable. We should use that to our advantage before he is exposed as an average player. The minute Walker is signed to whatever size contract he gets, he becomes untradable. Yes and no, I think the key is keeping the length of the contract reasonable. Maybe isiah is hoping to loose out on walker, and then his agent feels good and has hunter come to NYC! Walker and Hunter are not replacements for each other. Hunter is a young semi-stiff forward/center who has shown some flashes, but nothing to warrant this much interest. Walker is combo forward, who can be the focus of an offense, and has been a star siince day one. If we get Antoine Walker I'll be sick. Two steps forward and one major step back. Is he young, long or athletic? NO! AW is 28 going on 29. I think we are a little too caught up in the "athletic" thing. There is a balance of atheticism to skill. Swift is simply not that skilled. For all that vaunted athleticism, he is about half the player that AW is: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/stromile_swift/ Swift is not even close to being the best player on the Grizzlies. Maybe he is the fourth best. Do you think he would magically improve so much here that he would be better than AW? He's another ball hog. Ugh. "hellbent on getting Walker"...I almost puked. We should get rid of some of the other not as good ball hogs. We need to either do a sign and trade for Swift using Penny's expiring contract. Or...freaking trade Q for Kwame. Sorry, though I like Q and his post game, I'd rather have Kwame's on this team. What do you really think that Kwame Brown is going to do here? That would be a step backward no matter what unless he totally breaks out this year! Do you think that will happen? He isn't tough enough for Washington, what do you think will happen him here? It would be a disaster. Swift, Kwame or Bust for me. If we get Kwame then we got the bust. Walker, Hunter, James, none of them would make me happy unfortunately. Hunter and James should not be considered at the same level as AW. Those guy are center-types and they have had below average careers too. Praying for Sacramento to get Walker and the Nets to get Rahim ASAP. Then maybe Isiah will be hellbent on bring Swift or Brown here. That way we can add two more teams who will UNQUESTIONABLY have better front line...especially if we get Swift and Brown. i can't believe these guys have jobs. seriously, what's the difference between them and us posting here? this is all MADE UP SH T AND SPECULATION and they get paid to be reporters. wow. They get to sit much closer to the game. quote: Blount or LaFrentz? Yuck...but they have both been as good or better than Jerome James or Stephen Hunter. Give us Al Jefferson and I'll gladly take Raef or Mark off their payroll! Al Jefferson is a young player who truly has potential and upside. I don't see him being traded, as he's probably the one puching out those other big men. Throw Kedrick Perkins here as well. Who's minutes is he going to get? I see nothing wrong with getting Walker. We've committed ourselves to not rebuilding and continuing to pay top dollar for players, so i say stick with it and hope the young guys we have now develop, and the team as a whole develops championship chemistry. Walker is still a very good player in his prime and could very well be a nice compliment to Marbury with his post up ability, versatility, and the right coach. Plus if we could get Hunter and one of the big men predicted from Boston, suddenly we are very tall with 3 guys 6'11-7'0 in the rotation and 3 guys who are athletic and can block shots. If we trade Thomas, Sweetney, and Taylor/Rose/JYD and bring back Walker, Hunter, and Blount/LaFrentz then i think you have to realize we are a slightly better team at worst. Ahh...another voice of reason. BS. Doing a deal for antoin walker is horrible--it tells the fans we dont want to win a championship. sticking us with huge contracts with Blount and then walker who will be an OLD 30 next year--NO, its DUMB I don't see how it tells the fans we don't want a championship. It at least tells them that we want a decent player on our front line. Build up a fleet of young athletic players and set US up for a scenario where maybe we can do a 3-1 for KG, or maybe we get lucky with an ending contract a pick and Sweetney for Brand--or just being patient acquire more draft picks and continue SELECTING our own talents through the draft. Calling your trade scenarios a fantasy is an understatement, especially the KG one. I like building through the draft, but are you ready to just straight up have the Knicks suck next year? You really want to S+T walker--that will be the equvilant of signing him to a SIX year probably 50mm$ deal and still have 5 LONG years with Blount? or a shell of himself lafrentz? I don't like Blount or Lafrentz. Lafrentz contract is ludicrous, I am not sure about Blount's. I would not take both contracts unless the Celtics want to pay a lot of it. (Like we have done with so many players we have traded or let go.) NO NO NO Oh Yes,Oh Yes,Oh Yes! exactly. the Knicks can be under the cap NEXT SEASON if they trade Marbury for expiring deals. I'm not saying we should do that, but we are getting close. This isn't an expensive team top to bottom, there is a very bloated top that is about to get chopped off - hopefully without taking big contracts in return (not Marbury, the others). Do you have any examples of players with expiring deals we can trade for, especially decent players? Are you ready to have a terrible team next season? If dealin Marbury means we can get under cap alittle in 05/06 and way under in 06/07. i'm all for it. I think Craw/Nate PG Combo will be better for a run and gun knick team. Sure Nate and Craw can run the team...but we will be TERRIBLE. Crawford running the team...  it's loony! And please let's not forget that Nate hasn't played an NBA minute before we hand him the team.I don't know fellas. I may be warming up to the idea of Swift and James. Maybe it's all that talk about Walker that has me taking a second look at this. Forget the talk. Just look at everyone's respective careers and you will realize that Walker is as good as Hunter, Jerome James, and Stromile Swift combined. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/antoine_walker/ http://www.nba.com/playerfile/stromile_swift/ http://www.nba.com/playerfile/steven_hunter/ http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jerome_james/ That is on paper, but in my feeling in actual value as well. Antoine Walker would be: Our best front court player. Our best post player. Our second best passer. Our second best ball-handler. Our third best point guard. (I am predicting Nate will be a better point guard.) One of our best shooters, perhaps the best clutch shooter. More. oohah Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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jaydh
Posts: 23107 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 8/16/2001 Member: #96 |
7/13/2005 1:28 PM
OMG dont do that ever again.
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