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Detroit about ready to Fire Larry Brown, looks like he might be ours afterall
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bobs3304
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7/11/2005  2:04 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

a legit bigman would be adding someone like Rasheed Wallace not Swift, james, hunter or gadzuric


agreed. I'd add guys like Boozer, Magloire, K-Mart, and to a certain extent Nene to that list...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/11/2005  2:11 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by gunsnewing:

a legit bigman would be adding someone like Rasheed Wallace not Swift, james, hunter or gadzuric


agreed. I'd add guys like Boozer, Magloire, K-Mart, and to a certain extent Nene to that list...

If Brown becomes Knick coach, watch Zeke offer Sweetney and MoT for Boozer.
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7/11/2005  2:17 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by gunsnewing:

a legit bigman would be adding someone like Rasheed Wallace not Swift, james, hunter or gadzuric


agreed. I'd add guys like Boozer, Magloire, K-Mart, and to a certain extent Nene to that list...

If Brown becomes Knick coach, watch Zeke offer Sweetney and MoT for Boozer.

it would have to start with sweetney and crawford or Q and even then I don't think Utah would trade Booze
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7/11/2005  2:22 PM
Ya, it would have to give them a SG, and a big in return, plus maybe a future pick.


I think Crawford + JYD + Future Pick FOR Boozer + Filler

would work. but there ARE more than one option in the way of legit bigs that there's no sense in mulling this particular one over.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/11/2005 14:23:03]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/11/2005  2:25 PM
You gotta give Isiah credit for waiting this long (even if we don't end up getting Larry) while other GMs might have been pressured to hire a coach. As a result of Isiah's patience, we might have a shot at one of the top 3 coaches in the game. While I think we have a good shot at him, I don't think it is certain that he will be our coach. I hope it happens though.
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7/11/2005  2:28 PM
Posted by s3231:

You gotta give Isiah credit for waiting this long (even if we don't end up getting Larry) while other GMs might have been pressured to hire a coach. As a result of Isiah's patience, we might have a shot at one of the top 3 coaches in the game. While I think we have a good shot at him, I don't think it is certain that he will be our coach. I hope it happens though.

only the media wont give him credit. they'll kill larry for taking the job
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7/11/2005  2:32 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Here's my gut feeling:


Isiah wouldn't have waited this long unless he was banking on being able to land Brown. That's his first choice. Now, he realizes this team can go in 2 directions - brief rebuilding, or instant contention. If Brown isn't available, I think you'll see Isiah hire Herb, and trade Marbury (sooner than later). He'll try to unload a PF or two, and bring in a Kwame or Stro. Crawford and Nate would man the point.

The other scenario would be if Brown accepted the Knicks head coaching job. Isiah is smart enough to realize Brown, much like Phil Jackson, would put us in instant contention atleast for the playoffs. All Zeke would have to do is add a key piece (a legit big man), and let Larry do the rest.

When you look at the type of players Isiah took through the draft, it would seem like 2/3 are geared toward being solid role players, and 1 (Nate), having that certain star potential. I think he drafted on the premise that we could be going either way this year (instant playoff contention or brief rebuilding), and wanted to cover all bases. Nevertheless, I still think he's holding out for Brown quite simply b/c he favors instant playoff contention. That said, you won't see a Kwame Brown or Stro if Brown does become the head coach. You'll see something more in the shape of a power move. Although I think Kwame is certainly a better option than Stro or James (b/c he's athletic AND can provide interior D), I'm not sold on him having the poise and desire to do big things in the Big Apple. A guy like Magloire would fit far better IMO.


Anyway, that's how I see it...

AWESOME post Bobs, I agree 100% I can't even add much to that, I think you hit every point I was going to hit on.

I will give my thoughts on Larry though and that is that he's a great coach but how long is he going to stay here, especially if the Knicks end up not making the playoffs, why would Larry want to end his coaching career with a team thats not championship calibur. Basically what I'm saying is that Larry Browns tenure as coach of the Knicks could be extremely short, even by his own standards and to me thats not going to help. Larry doesn't have a history of playing young players, which the Knicks have a ton of who need to play and learn. Larry is a great coach and he's certainly not someone you can pass on when he's available but I really question whether or not he's right for this team right now.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/11/2005 14:32:55]
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7/11/2005  2:35 PM
if brown is fired, i doubt he will come here. He is still in bad health, coaching may be too much. The knicks are too much of a project for him in his ailing state. I can see him taking over as Pres for the Cavs though.
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7/11/2005  2:37 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by s3231:

You gotta give Isiah credit for waiting this long (even if we don't end up getting Larry) while other GMs might have been pressured to hire a coach. As a result of Isiah's patience, we might have a shot at one of the top 3 coaches in the game. While I think we have a good shot at him, I don't think it is certain that he will be our coach. I hope it happens though.

only the media wont give him credit. they'll kill larry for taking the job

Yea I wouldn't be surprised if that happened. Isola gave Isiah some praise in today's column, "Isiah Thomas' protracted wait for Larry Brown may prove to be Thomas' smartest play yet as Knicks' president."
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7/11/2005  3:00 PM
Posted by jaydh:

if brown is fired, i doubt he will come here. He is still in bad health, coaching may be too much. The knicks are too much of a project for him in his ailing state. I can see him taking over as Pres for the Cavs though.

Same here, I can definitely see him going to the Cavs even though I think we have a good shot. People forget that if he goes to the Cavs, he still gets paid by the Pistons so he would still get paid like a coach.
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7/11/2005  3:02 PM
Posted by s3231:
Posted by jaydh:

if brown is fired, i doubt he will come here. He is still in bad health, coaching may be too much. The knicks are too much of a project for him in his ailing state. I can see him taking over as Pres for the Cavs though.

Same here, I can definitely see him going to the Cavs even though I think we have a good shot. People forget that if he goes to the Cavs, he still gets paid by the Pistons so he would still get paid like a coach.

not if he gets fired...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/11/2005  3:03 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by s3231:
Posted by jaydh:

if brown is fired, i doubt he will come here. He is still in bad health, coaching may be too much. The knicks are too much of a project for him in his ailing state. I can see him taking over as Pres for the Cavs though.

Same here, I can definitely see him going to the Cavs even though I think we have a good shot. People forget that if he goes to the Cavs, he still gets paid by the Pistons so he would still get paid like a coach.

not if he gets fired...

it doesnt matter, the cavs situation is so much better for him. once again knicks fans jumping the gun.
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7/11/2005  3:19 PM
Posted by jaydh:

it doesnt matter, the cavs situation is so much better for him. once again knicks fans jumping the gun.

The Knicks coaching spot is his Dream Job. Knicks fans who want him here are something called OPTIMISTIC. Does anyone know what the hell that is anymore?
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7/11/2005  3:24 PM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:
Posted by jaydh:

it doesnt matter, the cavs situation is so much better for him. once again knicks fans jumping the gun.

The Knicks coaching spot is his Dream Job. Knicks fans who want him here are something called OPTIMISTIC. Does anyone know what the hell that is anymore?

yea yea, its everyones dream to play/coach in NY but like usual its a smoke screen for leverage. since ewing was here, out of all the big name FA players/coaches that said they would love to play in NY, the only i could think of that did, was Riley. NY is always just being used so that the player/coach can profit more.

[Edited by - jaydh on 07/11/2005 15:25:12]
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7/11/2005  3:26 PM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:
Posted by jaydh:

it doesnt matter, the cavs situation is so much better for him. once again knicks fans jumping the gun.

The Knicks coaching spot is his Dream Job. Knicks fans who want him here are something called OPTIMISTIC. Does anyone know what the hell that is anymore?

optimistic about him getting the most out of these players and at the very least get it going in the right direction so that the next coach can benefit.

Lambier might be able to yell and get their respect but he still has to prove that he can coach in the nba. And he could benefit from coming into the league as an assistant.

If we get Larry it would be great if they brought Lambier in as well. Lambier or Aguire would be ready to take over the team after Larry retires
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7/11/2005  3:32 PM
Posted by jaydh:

it doesnt matter, the cavs situation is so much better for him. once again knicks fans jumping the gun.

yeah you're right...how stupid of me to actually believe something that was reported on a sports radio station...whatever came over me?
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7/11/2005  3:36 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by jaydh:

it doesnt matter, the cavs situation is so much better for him. once again knicks fans jumping the gun.

yeah you're right...how stupid of me to actually believe something that was reported on a sports radio station...whatever came over me?

its ok, people on here jump to conclusions all the time.
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7/11/2005  3:42 PM
the Pistons are problably just pressuring Larry to make a decision. I really don't want to give up more than a money or a late 2nd round pick for Larry
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7/11/2005  3:50 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by s3231:
Posted by jaydh:

if brown is fired, i doubt he will come here. He is still in bad health, coaching may be too much. The knicks are too much of a project for him in his ailing state. I can see him taking over as Pres for the Cavs though.

Same here, I can definitely see him going to the Cavs even though I think we have a good shot. People forget that if he goes to the Cavs, he still gets paid by the Pistons so he would still get paid like a coach.

not if he gets fired...

No, if he gets fired the Pistons still pay him. If Larry leaves on his own then he doesn't get paid.
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7/11/2005  3:53 PM
I concur--- if this deal costs us little more than "cash considerations" or a late (40 or later) second rounder, I'd be willing to pay (as GM of the Knicks).

I don't think Marbury and Brown got along all that well during the Olympics, though in spite of it all, Marbury got tons of playing time and had the ball in critical moments.

The health issues of Brown are pretty major, though... and the Knicks aren't really a good situation to take over yet anyway--- we're still at least a year away from meriting a 1st tier coach.

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Detroit about ready to Fire Larry Brown, looks like he might be ours afterall

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