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nyk4ever
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7/11/2005  11:52 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

its funny nyk4ever. You brought up a great point. Yes Kwame has been a bust but its funny how everyone wants Jerome James when Jerome James never put up the 10pts/7.5rebs Kwame did for an entire season. There's a reason Seattle has never played Jerome James for more than 16mins in a season dating all the way back to 1998! in his career year he average 5.4pts!

Your right Guns, he's a total bum. I dont know why people are just ridiculing Kwame, yeah he was a #1 pick and hasn't put up one even good season yet but he has been solid with his #s. I think a change of scenery will do the kid nice, imagine what it must be like for him when Michael Jordan picked you #1 and then basically tried to speed up your maturation process by 10X. He's shown flashes, its now time to cash on his flashes and hope that our coaching staff and organization can turn him around, becuase if they can turn him around and have him be a solid scorer down low (which he has shown he can do) then the Knicks make out big and so does Stephon Marbury. If we traded Sweetney or Crawford, I really don't think the Knicks are making that big of a gamble, I don't see either one of those players getting much better then they already are. I know many will disagree with that but oh well, thats just my though on it

If we trade one of those guys for Kwame and it doesnt work out, oh well, it was a worthy risk, IMHO.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/11/2005 11:55:32]
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7/11/2005  11:58 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

umm....are you Jimmy Dolan's cousin or something?


Isiah is running the show, not Dolan. Dolan gets a say in CERTAIN things, but not decisions like who to sign this summer. If he approved trading Patrick friggin Ewing, I also don't see trading Marbury an obstacle (if that's where Isiah is headed). For the last time, a big nay on Kwame and Stro if our goal is to make the playoffs with Marbury this year...

Bobs first off I've never had a chance to welcome you to the board, we've been in alot of the same discussions so far and I really enjoy rading your posts, you are a very knowledgable fan.

Theres one thing that is for certain when it comes to the New York Knicks of today and that is that there are paremeters when it comes to the Knicks for Jim Dolan. The main peramiter is that the team stays good enough so he keeps selling tickets and making money, he's a business man, not a fan. Jimmy Dolan is perfectly satisified with having 35-40 win seasons with marquee players on the court (stephon marbury) because his tickets still sell, anything more then 35-40 win seasons is icing on the cake for him. Until Jimmy D comes out and says the opposite of what I just said, I will know that this is his strategy becuase he hasn't complained once about any of the Knicks past 5 seasons, meanwhile us fans are the ones who are getting agitated becuase we're not making money off of it like he is.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/11/2005 11:59:16]
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7/11/2005  12:08 PM
in order for Sweetney to get better he'd have to lose 30LBS and thats not happening. Until then he's at best a 25mins per game player because he will never be able to stay on the floor for 48mins consistently.

the only way Crawford could thrive offensively is if he is brought along as a scoring PG against smaller defenders not as a SG or as a career 6th man. people keep saying he's going to be a superstar. I just don't see it either. Tracy Mcgrady and Kobe are superstars.

I don't think losing a 6-5 180LB SG who shoots 39% for his career is all that devasting when its so much easier fixing the backcourt than frontcourt.

Now if we didn't have Nate & Marbury then no way I would make the trade because I love the idea of developing Crawford at PG. He could be unstoppable at that position once he learns when to pass and when to shoot

trading those guys for Kwame is definitely worth the risk because neither of those guys help our undersized frontcourt situation and both can easily be replaced for the MLE or less

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/11/2005 12:09:47]
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7/11/2005  12:13 PM
Guns, all the beasts in the paint are at a premium and that includes Stro. I just think he is bound to get a better deal elsewhere unless Isiah pulls a rabbit out of a hat with Stro. We will still get killed in the frontcourt D with Stro playing C unless all of a sudden he turns into a Ben Wallace type. Fat chance, he is not that smart.

Jerome is more have-able and I dont think he is a bum. When he is on, he owns the paint. When did we have a player that could own the paint like Jerome did in the playoffs? We will not find a star C for a while but we can make a C like Jerome look real good with the guards we have now. He is also a shot blocker by the way.
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7/11/2005  12:19 PM
Posted by KNICKSdom:

Guns, all the beasts in the paint are at a premium and that includes Stro. I just think he is bound to get a better deal elsewhere unless Isiah pulls a rabbit out of a hat with Stro. We will still get killed in the frontcourt D with Stro playing C unless all of a sudden he turns into a Ben Wallace type. Fat chance, he is not that smart.

Jerome is more have-able and I dont think he is a bum. When he is on, he owns the paint. When did we have a player that could own the paint like Jerome did in the playoffs? We will not find a star C for a while but we can make a C like Jerome look real good with the guards we have now. He is also a shot blocker by the way.

but he owned the paint during his last contract year and hasn't since then until this year. Coincidently another contract year. In between those two miniscule stretches he's averaged 16mins & 5pts his entire career.

Don't you think if he was as good as Dampier(who also sucks) they would give him more than 16mins per game espeicially when their are no centers in the league! He's been in the league for years! he's 30 not 23 like Kwame!
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7/11/2005  12:19 PM
The reality here is that we need a Center....If we already had a guy that resembles a Center on the roster and could provide nothing but a defensive presence, I would say go for Swift, but that is not the case. We have too many PFs as is on our roster....Frye is not a center and we all know that. Swift would be a good asset to have, but what will happen to Seetney, Mo T., JButtler, Malik, JYD, and Frye? It is imperative to resolve the Center position this season, because if not, we will continue to point fingers at the wrong player or a coach for that matter. Without a true Center, the Knicks will not win 35 games
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7/11/2005  12:24 PM
Posted by diderotn:

The reality here is that we need a Center....If we already had a guy that resembles a Center on the roster and could provide nothing but a defensive presence, I would say go for Swift, but that is not the case. We have too many PFs as is on our roster....Frye is not a center and we all know that. Swift would be a good asset to have, but what will happen to Seetney, Mo T., JButtler, Malik, JYD, and Frye? It is imperative to resolve the Center position this season, because if not, we will continue to point fingers at the wrong player or a coach for that matter. Without a true Center, the Knicks will not win 35 games

does it matter whether Frye is a C or PF? he's actually best suited at Center pulling opposing centers away from the basket with his shot and opening up the lane! the word "power" is in power forward for a reason.
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7/11/2005  12:41 PM
I don't care what position Frye plays, he will still need a bigger guy on the court to complement what he is not able to provide right now. He is a feather weight, so he will need a guy on the court to push people around like Hunter did with Amare and block shots and rebound...

Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by diderotn:

The reality here is that we need a Center....If we already had a guy that resembles a Center on the roster and could provide nothing but a defensive presence, I would say go for Swift, but that is not the case. We have too many PFs as is on our roster....Frye is not a center and we all know that. Swift would be a good asset to have, but what will happen to Seetney, Mo T., JButtler, Malik, JYD, and Frye? It is imperative to resolve the Center position this season, because if not, we will continue to point fingers at the wrong player or a coach for that matter. Without a true Center, the Knicks will not win 35 games

does it matter whether Frye is a C or PF? he's actually best suited at Center pulling opposing centers away from the basket with his shot and opening up the lane! the word "power" is in power forward for a reason.
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7/11/2005  12:44 PM
Here is another reason why we must get Hunter.....in 30 minutes, he is able to provide 2blks and 8 boards...30 minutes....that boy was improperly used...In a starting role in N.Y, there is no telling how good he would be.
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7/11/2005  12:56 PM
projecting a role players stats to 30mins is just as bad as hoping for Kwame to live up to potential
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7/11/2005  1:31 PM
I only gamble and take James to man the paint for 20 MPG if we're able to land a top-notch PF.....and by that I mean any PF better than the ones we have now. That includes guys like Boozer, Gooden, etc.

Otherwise, I go after a Magloire, or Nene, or Camby, etc.

Unless of course Isiah's real plan is REALLY rebuild, in which case I see Marbury gone. Meaning, Kwame or Stro would be appropriate at that point.

I can't say WHAT Isiah will do, but I'm pretty confident there are only 2 options, and I've specified those already.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/11/2005  1:32 PM
btw, I'm not even sure Nene qualifies as legit, but he's in there b/c he's more or less attainable, and has legit size and skills for the most part.


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/11/2005  2:06 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

btw, I'm not even sure Nene qualifies as legit, but he's in there b/c he's more or less attainable, and has legit size and skills for the most part.

Nene is so good that he is unattained. it would take more than a 39% FG shooter like crawford or Q to get him. Perhaps we can trade Marbury in the near future for Nene and picks. That would be a realistic Marbury trade. Not Marbury for a guy like Brand. problem is they already have Andre Miller who's much cheaper
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7/11/2005  2:08 PM
my point was simply that there ARE options out there, in the form of legit Bigs. So knowing that should help some of us forget about the Kwames and Stros.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/11/2005  7:19 PM
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