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oohah
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7/11/2005  12:52 AM
"Led the country in scoring and rebounding as a senior."
Now the PHX fans can listen to that fact repeated OVER AND OVER AND OVER ...like he is a rookie just out of college.

I think they will also hear about how he led the Knicks in rebounding for several years and was also our best frontline scorer during that time. (Bad for the Knicks, good for Thomas.)
good for him... still thrilled hes gone.. next.

Next is Channing Frye...If he is able to fill KT's shoes this year then IT did a spectacular job with the trade and draft. I doubt CF will be that good this year at least, but who knows? I'll let you all know when he gets some Summer League/Pre-season time.

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[Edited by - oohah on 07/11/2005 00:55:23]
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oohah
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7/11/2005  1:00 AM
I think 18 is too high a number for Kurt. If the point is that here he had to be the best big man and there he wont be, I think thats a valid point to say that he wont have such a great scoring year. He was one of the main points this season for us, he won't be that next season. Rebounds? Probably around 10 because thats what tye will demand him the most, but I don't see him having such a great scoring season...

We'll see, I think he'll score more because:

Even though he was featured for the Knicks he still only took 11.2 shots per game. I think he will get about the same amount in Phoenix's offense but they will be higher percentage.

O.K. how about 16 and 10? No, I like my inflated first prediction, and I don't mind going on the record.

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7/11/2005  9:56 AM
Posted by roblackman:

KT gets 10 and 7 at best next year, you can take that to the bank.

i have to agree with you...he won't get nearly as many scoring opportunities w/guys like Amare, JJ, Marion & Nash on the team...he's going to be filling more of a role like he played on the Knicks teams that had LJ, Ewing, Camby, Spree & Houston in the late 90's...even 10 & 7 would be optimistic for KT imho.
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7/11/2005  10:14 AM
Plus- he is not going to be playing as many minutes.
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7/11/2005  10:15 AM
Posted by roblackman:

"Led the country in scoring and rebounding as a senior."

Now the PHX fans can listen to that fact repeated OVER AND OVER AND OVER ...like he is a rookie just out of college.
LOL!!!!!!!!!
Cause I was sure sick of hearing it every team he grabbed a rebound.
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7/11/2005  10:47 AM
Okay, I made my prediction and I stand by it: 18-10 for KT. And when he is reaching that number night in and out, I will refer to this thread, a permanent record of my predictive prowess!

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7/11/2005  11:01 AM
Kurt will average 10 and 6. He will have the worst season of his career...He will then see how valuable it was to play with Marburry...
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7/11/2005  11:22 AM
Kurt avergaed about 12/10 this year, with a lineup of marbury crawford tim thomas sweetney and himself. Moreso, his points came off of his consistent 18-20 footer. If he can get that shot on that knicks lineup, imagine how many times he will be open with teams scrambling to cover nash, joe johnson, marion, and of course amare. nash is a better distributor and point guard than marbury - his defense sucks, but he can get his teammates to score. hell get as many points as he did in new york off the pick and roll with steve. on top of that, hell probably have at least 3 more times during the game when Amare or Marion will kick it out to him for an open jumper. So it doesn't seem so unreasonable that he gets 18 and 10... kurt thomas is a good player that a lot of people on this board liked to use for a scapegoat because he didn't fit the bill for a new athletic knicks team.
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7/11/2005  11:37 AM
i think he'll score a little more because of the suns offense but I think his rebounds will go down because he is not athletic at all and doesn't go get rebounds. Amare and Marion will go after the majority of the rebounds. Kurt will give them solid interior defense against the opposing team's slowest PF. But come playoff time and he has to face elite frontlines i don't think he'll help the Suns much. I think Kurt will average 12pts and 7.5rebs
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7/11/2005  11:49 AM
I think his rebounding will be about the same, his scoring will go up a tad, b/c he'll be the beneficiary of the double teams on Nash and Amare (reliable as hell mid range J, why not give it to him?) I also think that b/c Amare will have a a reliable defender and rebounder (A box out rebounder at that) he'll be putting up much better numbers. Hence, I predict Amare gets the MVP this season, and I seriously think the Suns win the title this year.

Why people say he'll only be grabbing 6 boards a game is beyond me. KT is a very very good rebounder and grabs em' with the best of them. He's not nearly as athletic (Or better player overall) as Marion or Amare, but he's just as much, if not more, fundamentally solid and he knows his stuff. He'll continue to grab 10 boards a game.
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7/11/2005  12:15 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I think his rebounding will be about the same, his scoring will go up a tad, b/c he'll be the beneficiary of the double teams on Nash and Amare (reliable as hell mid range J, why not give it to him?) I also think that b/c Amare will have a a reliable defender and rebounder (A box out rebounder at that) he'll be putting up much better numbers. Hence, I predict Amare gets the MVP this season, and I seriously think the Suns win the title this year.

Why people say he'll only be grabbing 6 boards a game is beyond me. KT is a very very good rebounder and grabs em' with the best of them. He's not nearly as athletic (Or better player overall) as Marion or Amare, but he's just as much, if not more, fundamentally solid and he knows his stuff. He'll continue to grab 10 boards a game.

His board numbers are going to go down because on the Knicks, he was the best rebounder. On the suns, you've got Amare and Marion who are both arguably better rebounders than KT.
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7/11/2005  12:25 PM
I disagree guy. I still say he'll grab the same number of rebounds b/c of the type of rebounder he is. He's a box out rebounder, and he's mastered the art of that. Hence, he'll still grab his share of rebounds.

His points will stay the same or go up b/c he has a guy who would love to run that pick and roll, and the guy guarding him will HAVE to go double, so he'll have his nice fair share of open buckets. His numbers aren't going down so drastically like how everyone says.
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7/11/2005  12:27 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I disagree guy. I still say he'll grab the same number of rebounds b/c of the type of rebounder he is. He's a box out rebounder, and he's mastered the art of that. Hence, he'll still grab his share of rebounds.

His points will stay the same or go up b/c he has a guy who would love to run that pick and roll, and the guy guarding him will HAVE to go double, so he'll have his nice fair share of open buckets. His numbers aren't going down so drastically like how everyone says.

how many rebounds will there be for him to get? the suns don't miss and neither does the opposing team. Hence the reason they win their games 125-113 and like I said Amare & Marion will grab the rebounds. They should benefit from Kurt boxing out

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/11/2005 12:29:17]
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7/11/2005  12:33 PM
Kurt can't play the run and gun...forget about it...to be effective in that system, you have to be willing to run the floor...

Posted by gunsnewing:

i think he'll score a little more because of the suns offense but I think his rebounds will go down because he is not athletic at all and doesn't go get rebounds. Amare and Marion will go after the majority of the rebounds. Kurt will give them solid interior defense against the opposing team's slowest PF. But come playoff time and he has to face elite frontlines i don't think he'll help the Suns much. I think Kurt will average 12pts and 7.5rebs
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7/11/2005  1:32 PM
I predict that KT will spend much time on the IR. He is not capable of running. I mean when the Knicks did try to run for the last two seasons, they were not effective because their big men was lagging behind in both KT and Deke. 2nd he will get his shot blocked alot in the West, he will have trouble guarding the more swifter big men in the West and wil expend alot of energy just playing defense. KT would have been better served going to a team like Houston than the Suns. Nash is a bad half court pg (see the Western Conference Finals). I don't think there will be that many pick and rolls to go around for KT.
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7/11/2005  1:50 PM
History shows that MOST of the times, teams that mainly just do run and gun don't win the NBA championship. Hence, I believe that the Suns are going to start slowing it down, and they are GOING to start D'ing up more. Amare and Kurt Thomas are going to be able to switch to favorable matchups. Like if they face Dallas, Amare faces Dirk, and Kurt gets Dampier. If the Knicks face Memphis, Kurt will take Gasol, b/c he does great against him. And on the offense, they'll be capable of running the halfcourt more, b/c they have the guy who can run screen and rolls, hit the mid range J and can even pass well for a big man. The Suns don't NEED to run nearly as much now. This is why I think they'll be winning the championship this season.
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7/11/2005  3:36 PM
I think Allanfan20 and nyballer are seeing what I am seeing: a very solid player entering a system that will allow him more opportunity to score.

I think that if anyone's rebounding numbers will go down, it will be Marions and/or Stoudamire's. KT is there to do the dirty work and let those guys operate.

There will be a ton of scraps for him to get his numbers, even though the Suns and their opponents shoot a high field goal percentage the sheer number of available rebounds and scoring oportunities go up.

He is playing a classic Horace grant, Rodman-type role (Though both those guys wsere better than KT.) and I think he will excel in it. They might even appreciate some of his knucklehead antics, and "crazy-eyes" moments to give their squad some edge.

Another prediction:

KT records more dunks this year than any season previous going all the way back to high school.

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7/11/2005  4:12 PM
I'm a little late on this topic but 18 points is a lot for a jumpshooter on a team that doesn't play P&R's. His role is D and rebounds. I see a lot of rebounds but not points.
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7/11/2005  4:14 PM
Posted by Mac:

I'm a little late on this topic but 18 points is a lot for a jumpshooter on a team that doesn't play P&R's. His role is D and rebounds. I see a lot of rebounds but not points.

Another thing... granted your observations are purely armchair nature (aren't we all). That's saying that Kurt will be the no 2 guy on offense. That's just stupid. I mean Q richardson didn't even avg 18 and he's going to be along par with his slot in the offense (different production obviously). Oohah you're just being an antagonist...
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7/11/2005  4:15 PM
Posted by oohah:
KT turns 33 this year and is not going to get any better. Look at his career stats...there is nothing there to suggest a break out season by any means nor an improvement on his past seasons with the Knicks where he was featured as a scorer. Knicks got a steal in this trade, I can't believe somebody wanted KT so badly.

He won't get BETTER but that doesn't mean he won't have BETTER STATS. There is less than nothing to suggest that his numbers will get WORSE when he is joining one of the highest-scoring teams in basketball with one of the pre-eminent point guards in the game. (I still think Jason Kidd is better and if Nash got MVP the J Kidd got shafted.)

If you saw how San Antonio negated Phoenix in the conference finals you would understand why they need a player like Thomas to help out Stoudamire. You need to be able to play half court to win.
If Kurt plays 30 mpg in the west where PFs like Brand aren't even good enough to be all-stars, I could see him averaging about 10 and 7 while giving up about 15/9 per 30 min.

??? I don't get it. In any case, the power forward situation in the West has cooled down a little bit. I can't see how anyone can think KT's rebounds won't stay around the same or increase, that is the reason he was brought to Phoenix.

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If you check 82games.com, you'll see that the opponent Kurt is guarding shoots about 55 to 60% against him. Part of it is because his feet are too slow to guard most PFs and he's not big enough to guard Cs. I disagree with what you said about PFs in the west cooling down. They're still outstanding in the west. He'll have to guard guys like Duncan, Garnett, Brand, Gasol, Zach, Nene, Stro Swift if he stays in the west, Dirk, K-Mart, Boozer on a nightly basis. He's just too slow to guard them. That's 9 of the 15 starting PFs in the west. In the *majority* of the western conference games, he'll be up against one of those players who are quicker and stronger than he is.
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