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bobs3304
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7/10/2005  3:03 PM
Posted by nadavshomron:

I think we will win as much as our coach is talented...i mean if we get a great coach(larry) , get a shot blocking "C" we can win 45-50 games.
i think herb has a big plus because he gives the youngsters play time ,maybe we won't be in the playoffs but we will get better.
we are already a deep talented team at guard and many teams have problems against deep talented teams on regular season play(energy,inj)
so don't get your hopes down i think we will add some more beef in the near future and next season the garden will host playoff games!!!


you must be joking me. 50 games! Ya right. I see 40 being possible, meaning we'd stay around .500 the entire season. +.500 in the Atlantic is what Boston achieved last season with Paul Pierce, Antoine Walker, Ricky Davis & Co. We don't have quite as talented a team as they did, nor a team as experienced, savvy, and well-coached. And while they didn't have a menacing frontcourt to say the least, they had size in Jefferson, Blount, and Lafrentz. We just lost Kurt, and even with Kwame Brown or Jerome James or whoever, our frontcourt will consist of Frye, 1 of those FA's, and a handful of role-playing PF's.

I think with the right coach, .500 is possible, but with the East being as competitive as it is, that's good for a playoff birth, but a quick playoff exit as well. I mean, you never know, but I just don't see any sort of VAST improvement. Not to mention that the cap will only rise, and Boston didn't really have any rotation issues, whereas we will most def. experience big PT problems. (playing time).

i hope I'm plesently surprised, but I doubt it.
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7/10/2005  10:42 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by nadavshomron:

I think we will win as much as our coach is talented...i mean if we get a great coach(larry) , get a shot blocking "C" we can win 45-50 games.
i think herb has a big plus because he gives the youngsters play time ,maybe we won't be in the playoffs but we will get better.
we are already a deep talented team at guard and many teams have problems against deep talented teams on regular season play(energy,inj)
so don't get your hopes down i think we will add some more beef in the near future and next season the garden will host playoff games!!!


you must be joking me. 50 games! Ya right. I see 40 being possible, meaning we'd stay around .500 the entire season. +.500 in the Atlantic is what Boston achieved last season with Paul Pierce, Antoine Walker, Ricky Davis & Co. We don't have quite as talented a team as they did, nor a team as experienced, savvy, and well-coached. And while they didn't have a menacing frontcourt to say the least, they had size in Jefferson, Blount, and Lafrentz. We just lost Kurt, and even with Kwame Brown or Jerome James or whoever, our frontcourt will consist of Frye, 1 of those FA's, and a handful of role-playing PF's.

I think with the right coach, .500 is possible, but with the East being as competitive as it is, that's good for a playoff birth, but a quick playoff exit as well. I mean, you never know, but I just don't see any sort of VAST improvement. Not to mention that the cap will only rise, and Boston didn't really have any rotation issues, whereas we will most def. experience big PT problems. (playing time).

i hope I'm plesently surprised, but I doubt it.

There's a "If everything works out" scenario- and that is this team might be good enought to just make the play offs- there are too many what ifs and a lof of the same as last year after we added crawford.

as constructed now, I'd bet on the same record as last year.
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7/10/2005  11:52 PM
I wonder, if I had nothing else to do, how many ways I could come up with to say the SAME THING over and over and over again. I don't think the roster if finished, and I have a sneaking suspicion we'll have a coach.
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7/11/2005  12:20 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

we could have the poorest frontline defense in basketball right now, not that we were great last year, but there is quite a fall off from kT to Frye.

and even though we break KT's blls, he does pretty well against guys like Tim Duncan--he can compete---and we all know he had to go, but they may feel the sting defensively a bit unless some things are changed--

WHAT THE...

I don't believe this!

You mean to tell me when I give KT his props, you have the nerves to find a problem with it but here you are giving the same guy his props.

That's sad

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7/11/2005  12:51 AM
1) KT's loss overrated - There is no way this team is worse than last year's team. KT is not that much of a difference maker, and now we won't have to run pick and roll for the whole first quarter to find out if he's going to hit his jumpers that night or not. No H20 distactions, no Penny blowing games, TT in a contract year... this will be a much better team.

2) Foul shot discrepancy - the Kincks were sending guys to the line last year about 3 times as much as we were getting there. With Nate, Q, Frye and whoever else IT brings in that will change. This is not going to be a jump shot only team this year and that will lead to more wins.

3) Solid philosophy - this team wants to push the pace and run the ball down your throat. Nate and Marbs are two guards who could play football and will take it to the D all night. Last year, who know's what we were trying to do while Lenny was napping on the sidelines? We should be more consistent with an actual plan, no matter who the coach is.




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7/11/2005  1:03 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

1) KT's loss overrated - There is no way this team is worse than last year's team. KT is not that much of a difference maker, and now we won't have to run pick and roll for the whole first quarter to find out if he's going to hit his jumpers that night or not. No H20 distactions, no Penny blowing games, TT in a contract year... this will be a much better team.

2) Foul shot discrepancy - the Kincks were sending guys to the line last year about 3 times as much as we were getting there. With Nate, Q, Frye and whoever else IT brings in that will change. This is not going to be a jump shot only team this year and that will lead to more wins.

3) Solid philosophy - this team wants to push the pace and run the ball down your throat. Nate and Marbs are two guards who could play football and will take it to the D all night. Last year, who know's what we were trying to do while Lenny was napping on the sidelines? We should be more consistent with an actual plan, no matter who the coach is.

This is a good post. I think that KT is being remembered with rose colored lenses by some. He's quite good, but it's time to move on. What this team has that it didn't have last year, at least RIGHT NOW:

1) Outside shooting - Nate and Q add to Marbury, Craw and Tim and we have a lot of shooters suddenly. Marbury needs to play with someone camped in the corner ready to nail a three, he seems to have the guys to do that now - and it's not like these guys are one dimensional shooters (okay, maybe Tim Thomas is...).
2) Backup PG/SG - last year after Penny went down, this team really had no one to backup Marbury or Crawford at either guard slot, now we have potentially the deepest back court in the league.
3) Frye - at the very, very least I think Frye will replace Kurt's scoring. We also have a full year of Rose and David Lee to pick up his rebounding and then some. And these guys can actually jump to contest shots.

Obviously, the team is small right now and I feel Isiah needs to add a starting caliber PF (Kwame) AND a backup center (Hunter) for this team to be competitive. But if those parts are added, I feel like this team will not only be competitive now, it can get a lot better by learning to play together and internal improvement.
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7/11/2005  1:06 AM
Frankly, as currently constructed, I don't know how many wins this team will record. I remember we all were so excited with the addition of Craw, the comeback of H2O, the first full year of Marbury, the full year of Nazr, TT having a strong year after the playoffs. It all went south in a hurry. So I really don't know what to expect now...
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7/11/2005  9:02 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

1) Outside shooting - Nate and Q add to Marbury, Craw and Tim and we have a lot of shooters suddenly. Marbury needs to play with someone camped in the corner ready to nail a three, he seems to have the guys to do that now - and it's not like these guys are one dimensional shooters (okay, maybe Tim Thomas is...).

Wait- there is no outside shooting still- you can't call Q a good shooter- not at 38%. Crawford is 38%. Tim is streaky and Marbury is a bit streakey as well.

Nate is a rookie and he might shoot 38% his first year.

Unless Allan is playing this season, there is NO ONE on this roster who is a legitimate & reliable outside shooter.

No one.

I have one word to predict the Knick season, if as constructed, ZONE!
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7/11/2005  9:08 AM
As currently constructed, with Herb as our headcoach, we will win no more than 30 games...With Larry Brown we would win 50 games for sure..With Laimbeer 44 games...
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7/11/2005  9:41 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

1) KT's loss overrated - There is no way this team is worse than last year's team. KT is not that much of a difference maker, and now we won't have to run pick and roll for the whole first quarter to find out if he's going to hit his jumpers that night or not. No H20 distactions, no Penny blowing games, TT in a contract year... this will be a much better team.

2) Foul shot discrepancy - the Kincks were sending guys to the line last year about 3 times as much as we were getting there. With Nate, Q, Frye and whoever else IT brings in that will change. This is not going to be a jump shot only team this year and that will lead to more wins.

3) Solid philosophy - this team wants to push the pace and run the ball down your throat. Nate and Marbs are two guards who could play football and will take it to the D all night. Last year, who know's what we were trying to do while Lenny was napping on the sidelines? We should be more consistent with an actual plan, no matter who the coach is.



Dude, i will bet you $1,000 dollars that this team doesn't have a better record than the team last year.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Frye is a deer. Sweetney hasn't shown he can stay in a game for 4 quarters.

Crawford and Q are chuckers.
Marbury will get his numbers but as usual, he won't get his wins.

Take the bet.
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7/11/2005  9:42 AM
You say it won't be a jump shot only team, i imagine it won't with all of the post players we have.

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7/11/2005  9:46 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

1) KT's loss overrated - There is no way this team is worse than last year's team. KT is not that much of a difference maker, and now we won't have to run pick and roll for the whole first quarter to find out if he's going to hit his jumpers that night or not. No H20 distactions, no Penny blowing games, TT in a contract year... this will be a much better team.

2) Foul shot discrepancy - the Kincks were sending guys to the line last year about 3 times as much as we were getting there. With Nate, Q, Frye and whoever else IT brings in that will change. This is not going to be a jump shot only team this year and that will lead to more wins.

3) Solid philosophy - this team wants to push the pace and run the ball down your throat. Nate and Marbs are two guards who could play football and will take it to the D all night. Last year, who know's what we were trying to do while Lenny was napping on the sidelines? We should be more consistent with an actual plan, no matter who the coach is.

This is a good post. I think that KT is being remembered with rose colored lenses by some. He's quite good, but it's time to move on. What this team has that it didn't have last year, at least RIGHT NOW:

1) Outside shooting - Nate and Q add to Marbury, Craw and Tim and we have a lot of shooters suddenly. Marbury needs to play with someone camped in the corner ready to nail a three, he seems to have the guys to do that now - and it's not like these guys are one dimensional shooters (okay, maybe Tim Thomas is...).
2) Backup PG/SG - last year after Penny went down, this team really had no one to backup Marbury or Crawford at either guard slot, now we have potentially the deepest back court in the league.
3) Frye - at the very, very least I think Frye will replace Kurt's scoring. We also have a full year of Rose and David Lee to pick up his rebounding and then some. And these guys can actually jump to contest shots.

Obviously, the team is small right now and I feel Isiah needs to add a starting caliber PF (Kwame) AND a backup center (Hunter) for this team to be competitive. But if those parts are added, I feel like this team will not only be competitive now, it can get a lot better by learning to play together and internal improvement.


I don't think you understand. You still think Kwame is a starting caliber PF.

Sweetney is better than Kwame. Mo' Taylor is better than Kwame. Malik Rose plays harder than him---at the least.

David Lee prolly can take the guy.

You don't understand.
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as currently constructed--Im thinking 30-34 wins

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