Posted by simrud:

As so sucking in the summer league and then turning out well, please provide an example, I don't know of any. I love how people say that you are totally worng or make broad statements about high school playes, and then their post amoutns to nothign but its ture cause I say so!

Posted by tkf:

Posted by simrud:

I disagree, I think more HS payers who got picked in the 1st round became a success.

Lets see: Kobe, Garnett, Amare, Lebron, Tmac, JOneal, vs Wagner and Kwame?

Jure is still out on Curry, Chandler, and all last year's pick. Even though JR Smith, Josh Smith, are both doing well. But its too early to tell.

Feel free to add to the list on both sides, to make the discussion more complete.

HS flops to add to the list, Diop and Bender, but more so than them being flops or even decent players, what I think is disturbing are the accomplished players that get passed up because people were sipping the HS koolaid a little to much, I think we can also add Skita to this list, another so called high ceiling euro player...

thats only 2 so far. keep it coming. one is a stiff and the other was a tweener from day 1

Darius Miles, travis outlaw, zach randolph, Al Jefferson? I'll take any of those guys on the Knicks!


[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/09/2005 16:42:18]

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

I'm sure other people around here could give more examples but the one that stands out to me is Ben Wallace who has played on 2 or 3 different summer league rosters over his career and never stood out. And that's a fact! Jermaine O'Neal is another. Tayshaun Prince is another. LeBron had a modest summer league (many people saying it was going to take some time for him to adjust) and was outplayed by some other rookies in his class and came back to be rookie of the year. Summer league is null and void when the season starts.

There has also been guys who have played GREAT in the summer league and then turned around and wasn't anything like that in the L. Q Woods being one. He was probably the biggest standout of his class during summer league games. Summer league is b.s. really. Look at how Dwight Howard is playing. He was second runner up for rookie of the year. Did he look like that recently? Nope.

Now if you guys want more example of highschool players that has NOT been McGrady, Amare, LeBron, KG and O'Neal here it is: Dasagna Diop, DariusMiles, Leon Smith, Deshawn Stevenson, Johnathan Bender, Al Harrington, Travis Outlaw, KWAME BROWN

I can go on and I'm sure that other's here an add to that list of non allstar worthy players ( at least 10 more) let alone the hall of fame caliber players you guys want to compare these rookies who you've never seen play to.

I agree. You can't look to into the stats guards put up in a guard oriented summerleague game. But when a 17yr old puts up 12,9&2blks in his first game its impressive

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/09/2005 16:52:08]

Posted by simrud:

I disagree, I think more HS payers who got picked in the 1st round became a success.

Lets see: Kobe, Garnett, Amare, Lebron, Tmac, JOneal, vs Wagner and Kwame?

Jure is still out on Curry, Chandler, and all last year's pick. Even though JR Smith, Josh Smith, are both doing well. But its too early to tell.

Feel free to add to the list on both sides, to make the discussion more complete.

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Posted by simrud:

I disagree, I think more HS payers who got picked in the 1st round became a success.

Lets see: Kobe, Garnett, Amare, Lebron, Tmac, JOneal, vs Wagner and Kwame?

Jure is still out on Curry, Chandler, and all last year's pick. Even though JR Smith, Josh Smith, are both doing well. But its too early to tell.

Feel free to add to the list on both sides, to make the discussion more complete.

Wagner played college ball

So so far we..

ballers:
KG
Kobe
Mcgrady
Amare
Jermaine
Lebron
Randolph
Jefferson
Curry
Chandler
Kwame
JR Smith
Josh Smith
Miles
Outlaw
Telfair

VS

Busts:
Bender
Diop
Woods

hmmmmm rather lopsided. This was a great idea Simrud!

Maybe now people will understand what we mean by drafting players with high ceilings. players that are overlooked every year for 7ft safe picks.

Keep it coming HS player bashers! this is fun LOL!

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

you put 10 players on that list as though they're allstar worthy. You're loosing it man. Some of those guys suck and others are simply "serviceable" and with others the jury is still out. Stop calling "serviceable" players "special" because they're not.

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

you put 10 players on that list as though they're allstar worthy. You're loosing it man. Some of those guys suck and others are simply "serviceable" and with others the jury is still out. Stop calling "serviceable" players "special" because they're not.

but I thought every high player with the except of KG, kobe and jermaine are busts? I don't know if it was you who said it but someone did

I never said that. My reaction is to the fact that everytime you bring up Greene or Bynum you say that we past up the next KG, Kobe, McGrady etc. By listing those guys you've helped prove MY point. Which is most guys that have come from highschool have been serviceable at best. Others have been busts. Like Kwame, Leon Smith, Diop, Stevenson and Bender. See how that list evens up to the allstar highschoolers. Bust and special highschool amount to the same. But the MAJORITY of them are only serviceable at best.