I have no problem with a difference of opinion.

Hell i've said for a while now that I think Sweetney will have very close to an allstar season starting in October and I don't think many posters here agreed with me.

The thing is I didn't post about it in every thread. Levity, now there's a word.

If I read one more thread that gets hijacked over what if's about Bynum, Graham, Green or Granger.....I tell you....i'm gonna...LEVITATE...through my effing ceiling.

Beezulble.

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by simrud:

I like the tolerance for a difference of opinion, apparently its like Fyre or die!

I hope he is great, but I don't think liking the draft, or IT, or Frye, or any other player on the Knicks is a must to be Knicks fan. I root for the logo on the jersey.

exactly the funny thing is that a lot of people who are all gung-ho will be bashing the team when they are in the lottery again next year because they bought into offseason hype. I made that mistake last year when we were "supposably" he Atlantic division champs only to have another 30win season. I'm not making the same mistake this year of buying into Isiah's every move. Heck I even bought into the TT trade. Its not happening again. I don't want to look stupid this time come mid-season

Posted by BRIGGS:

I think we got good NBA players on the first two picks. I think Nate has more upside than a 10 minute tempo changer, and Frye should be fine to good. The third pick, well, he really does not fit on this team as constructed. I think it was kind of out of left field, and I didnt really know how to react to it until I realized he wont be able to get his shot off and will be overmatched physically in the nBA. Well, 2 out of 3 isnt bad.

i'm not sold on Lee being a bust yet.. so maybe his shot isnt falling, but he is grabbing boards and getting to the line.

Posted by gunsnewing:

check out the link I posted to the Wizards message board as ESPN. Wizards fans still think Kwame can average 20pts if they feature him inside and they blame Larry Hughes for never being on the same page as Brown. They feel Hughes shot the ball way to much in his tenure there.

You are going to believe fans on a message board? I can find you 10 threads on ESPN laker boards where people think Bynum will suck. Does that convince you that Bynum was a bad pick by the Lakers? You of all people want to form an opinion based on the words of FANS who have havent met or followed for long? Dude, the Raptors fans thought Carter was done and wanted him GONE. He exploded when he got to Jersey.

Fans thought Nene would be a terrible pick. You can get convinced of a players future based on "fans on a wizards board" but you cannot convince me by asking me to do that. I would have been a Nets fan and an Allan Houston fan if I started beliving in "fans on a message board." Atleast I know which way most fans on ultimate go but I havent read the Wizard board for 4 years so I cannot buy into Kwame based on that. Fans are fickle, they are almost always wrong.

It makes sense that with a backcourt consistently of Jordan, Hughes and Stackhouse, a bunch of chuckers, explains why Kwame's numbers were down. He still shot close to 50% from the field and he's still only 23.

We have been over this. He was not competing with anyone other than Brendan Haywood in the front court for minutes. Larry Hughes scored more points that Kwame and he WAS ACTUALLY COMPETING for minutes and shots with Jordan and Stackhouse. By your own theory, Kwame should have had better stats cause he was the only player other than Haywood that would catch and shoot off Jordan and Stack. He should have averaged more rebounds and blocks playing behind Stack and Jordan too.

I'd much rather swing for the homerun with Kwame then get stuck with Erick Dampier, ooops I mean Jerome James who I know many don't like but he played hard in his contract year. And Stromile Swift who has too many flaws and can't stay healthy

Swing for a home run? Dude, he got kicked out of his own team's playoff roster. You are swinging at a pitch 2 feet out of the strike zone. You wont even connect for a bloop. If Kwame comes in, he will be real hot for 2 months or even 6 months but he will go back to his old ways. Atleast Jerome James and Dampier both made it to their playoff roster unlike crybaby Kwame.

Posted by gunsnewing:

Lakers fans questioning Bynum is different because they never seen him play so I would take the anti & pro Bynum posts with a grain of salt until he finally plays

Kinda like what you should be doing with CHANNING FRYE??

if we had not tried to win meaning games we would've landed a sure thing. Untl then you draft best player available especially when you lack a franchise player

Posted by gunsnewing:

if we had not tried to win meaning games we would've landed a sure thing. Untl then you draft best player available especially when you lack a franchise player

no team will ever play a game to lose.. and thats just ridiculous saying marbury isnt a franchise player.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by gunsnewing:

if we had not tried to win meaning games we would've landed a sure thing. Untl then you draft best player available especially when you lack a franchise player

I give up! You want to be disappointed . I hope all this changes before the season openers or we are gonna go thru this everytime we watch a game together!

LOL! most likely, barring a miracle. Maybe Nate can provide us with amazing highlights to soften the blow of another 30win season. It'll be fun either way

Posted by jaydh:

Posted by gunsnewing:

if we had not tried to win meaning games we would've landed a sure thing. Untl then you draft best player available especially when you lack a franchise player

no team will ever play a game to lose.. and thats just ridiculous saying marbury isnt a franchise player.

no but they do rest their stars and don't play them for over 50mins a game and let the young players lose but develope also and land Andrew Bogut as a concilation prize for a tumultous season!

You know, as I was watching the summer league game last night, and saw Zeke speaking about this team - I realized, I am really happy to have Zeke here and I'm happy with the direction he's taking this franchise. We have more of a direction that we EVER had under Layden, and while that doesn't mean much considering Layden's awful job, I think it says that Isiah is doing a good job.

Obviously, he came in here in Dec 03 with the plan to surround Allan with Marbury and Rasheed Wallace, but Allan got injured and Boston facilitated Sheed to Detroit so that plan got scrapped. But since that point, I think Zeke has done a quality quality job. With no assets going into the 04 draft he came away with a top 10 player from the draft. He got Crawford for nothing. Yes, the Baker and Mo Taylor moves were not good, but it was taking a gamble on formerly talented players and didn't really hurt our cap position. The Nazr trade was a solid move in my opinion. The Kurt trade is starting to look real good with Nate having a summer league coming out party. I am very pleased with the pick of Frye. I think with the exception of maybe Granger, Frye was BPA and he was without a doubt exactly what this team needed. I think he's far closer to Sheed/Gasol than Loren Woods. Obviously, time will tell, but the additions of Q, NAte, Lee and Frye point towards a plan and a style of play.

Think about it. Two summers ago when Layden was here, what did we have to cling to? The hope that Frank and Sweetney would get playing time and Allan and KVH and McDyess could lead us to what? a second round exit? Now, it doesn't matter how far we go in the playoffs THIS season, it's all about developing a load of talented young guys who have their best days ahead of them. Nate, Trevor, Frye, Crawford, Sweetney, Lee, Quentin. Even Marbury is still smack in the middle of his prime.

I think Zeke is doing a great job. I honestly thought he would be a disaster when we brought him in. Now I'm proud to call him a Knick. You look at the way ESPN slams him, and it's ridiculous. It's borderline racism, and if not that it's just that he's seen as this villain who beat the Great Larry Bird and had the nerve to beat His Airness. People don't like Zeke, they don't like New York. In that way, we're a perfect fit. And you know what? He's doing a fantastic job.