Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by Rich:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Frye has bigger arms than Camby but he is soft. Camby is not soft at all, he's fierce! you can get by with Camby as your Center because of it. have Frye at Center with Sweetney next to him and you won't win more than 39games

I wanted to draft Bynum, but it's too early to call Frye soft.

Aren't you comparing him to the current version of Camby, not Camby as a rookie?

Camby as a rookie averaged 15pts, 6rebs & over 2 blocks! no way Frye averages those kind of numbers. Maybe 10pts, 6rebs & 1 block at best

Camby's PPG have gone down ever since:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/statistics?statsId=3084

I can see Frye averaging 15 pts, and playing more games.

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

It's a very good sign that Frye went 10 for 10 from the line today. When he was in he got to the line very often from being active on the inside.

By the way, Frye dropped pretty close to the same numbers you said Camby dropped in his rookie year today.

except this is rookie camp and Jason Collins is a great free throw shooter too

Charles smizzith 4 sure

Posted by gunsnewing:

Frye has bigger arms than Camby but he is soft. Camby is not soft at all, he's fierce! you can get by with Camby as your Center because of it. have Frye at Center with Sweetney next to him and you won't win more than 39games.

I think Charles Smith is a great comparison. Both guys are kind soft and not strong and athletic enough to block a ton of shots but "both have skills offensively!"

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/07/2005 21:33:54]

Last Knicks playoff series, Camby I believe average 0 rpg and had like 1 point for the series against the Raptors I could be wrong.
I am looking for the 2002 series stats. Right up there with Ewing's 2 points against the Pacers in 1994.

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by gunsnewing:

rasheed was extremely athletic and has always been a hell of a post defender. Sorry but Frye is neither

Rasheed was NEVER classified as extremely athletic, most of his game was exactly like Frye's. He depended on his length and wasn't very explosive. Rasheed never was any more or less athletic than Frye. Rasheed's post defense wasn't even talked about until 2 years before he was traded to Detroit. In Washington he was labled as a bust and in Portland he had major attitude problems. Say what you want about their physical attributes (which I don't think are very different), their style of playt is VERY similiar.

Rasheed was regarded as a great post defender. Hence he was the one Portland used to guard Shaq and he gave him fits. He was a great defender way before going to Detroit

Looking at some draft reports from 95, seems one of Sheed's strength's was his atleticism...

http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/channingfrye.asp

Strengths: Very skilled bigman...Fundamentally sound in nearly every area...Runs the floor well on the break...Great base mechanics on his jumper...Keeps the ball high in the post...Good footwork on the block...Soft hands...Can make his post move with either hand...Steadily improving jump-hook and drop-step...Surprisingly effective spot-up shooter, which makes him a dangerous scoring threat on the pick-and-roll...Outstanding free-throw shooter (about 83%)...Crashes the offensive boards hard...Solid help defender and shot blocker...Enormous wingspan...Boxes out well...Excels at the tip-in and follow-up dunk...Terrific passer out of the post...Solid ball-handler..Defends both the center and power forward position effectively...Always improving his overall game...Even though his scoring average is slightly down, he’s a much better overall player now than he was as a junior...Has impressed many scouts with his stand out senior season.

Weaknesses: Still suffers in lapses in concentration/intensity/consistency...Vanishes for large chunks of time (especially on the glass)...Could use another 20-25 pounds of muscle...Has made nice strides in this area, but still lacking a true killer instinct...Has a tendency to commit stupid fouls/turnovers at the worst times...A “tweener”...Lacks lateral footspeed to keep up with most NBA power forwards...Lacks necessary bulk to bang with NBA centers night in and night out...Not a great leaper...Even with his improvements in these areas, strength and stamina still must improve to compete at the professional level...Can let his emotions get the best of him...Lack of lower body strength occasionally leads to him getting muscled off his spot.

Notes: Named to the Pac-10 First Team as a junior...Go-to move is a power-dribble from the left block into the middle of the lane and a mid-range jump-hook with his right hand.

-Nick Prevenas 2/13/05

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Strengths: Runs the floor very well for a guy 6-10 and 240-pounds...Normally has very good hands but they failed him in loss to Kansas, ending Arizona's season...Shooting touch is solid out to 18-feet but most reliable at 15-feet...Very intelligent player, fast learner and a good system guy. Knows and understands his role on the team but is fully capable of being the go-to guy at just about any time... Rebounding skills are above average thanks to his length and positioning. Offensive rebounding and tip-ins are his fortay...Getting much better with his left (off) hand to go along with his deadly right-handed jump hook...Good at turning and shooting almost immediately upon receiving entry pass...Uses the glass on jump shots from tough angles. Always a high percentage shooter (.595 as freshman and .586 as a sophomore) thanks to being in the right places in the offensive flow...Biggest strength is his vast upside and potential.

Weaknesses: Needs to add more strength...Tends to shy away from more physical play, although his improved strength (added 25 pounds of muscle since freshman year at Arizona) has changed that recently...Not a great leaper or very explosive and that leads to sometimes-flat turnaround jump-hooks in the lane. Also doesn't help his blocked shot numbers, which come mainly from decent timing...Concentration seems to fade at times


Seems to me his only TRUE weakness is his lack of strngth, yet he benches 185 19 times at the combine (The Best athlete Joey Graham did it 26)

[Edited by - joec32033 on 07/07/2005 22:08:09]

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

It's a very good sign that Frye went 10 for 10 from the line today. When he was in he got to the line very often from being active on the inside.

By the way, Frye dropped pretty close to the same numbers you said Camby dropped in his rookie year today.

except this is rookie camp and Jason Collins is a great free throw shooter too

What's Green's go to move? How about Bynum? How about Splitter?

You were talking about Frye b4 you even seen him play and you're doing the same for these other players but you're making the other guys amazing players in your mind and Frye a bad player. Makes zero sense to me

we'll fimd the truth soon enough. by the way Boston & Gerald Green are playing tonight

You never asnwered my question lol. What is it specifically that you like about their games? I can break down Fyre's game. Not over one game but many. I'm asking you based on your desire to want these other guys, what is it about their games specifically that you like? What's their signature moves? Go to moves? Where do they like to be on tyhe floor? What's their defense like? Does Green play the passing lanes? Is he good at running set plays on this level? Does Bynum like the ball on the left blow or the right low block? What kind of screens does he set? Etc

Posted by Pharzeone:

I remember those tweener shots at Wallace quite well. Remember he didn't blossom until he got in Portland. I don't why Guns is on Frye's case so bad because his guy Splitter would have been far worst than Freddy Weiss. That is if he had the b#lls to stay in the draft at least one year. I guess he knows better.

my guy Splitter? What in the world are you talking about my friend? Splitter is in Europe!

we are just now realizing what sweetney is capable of, and thats after a few years. i dont expect frye to take as long to define what kind of player he is, since i expect he will be in better shape than sweetney, but it will take a year or so before we know what we got.

ewing

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by Pharzeone:

I remember those tweener shots at Wallace quite well. Remember he didn't blossom until he got in Portland. I don't why Guns is on Frye's case so bad because his guy Splitter would have been far worst than Freddy Weiss. That is if he had the b#lls to stay in the draft at least one year. I guess he knows better.

my guy Splitter? What in the world are you talking about my friend? Splitter is in Europe!

what kind of screens does Spiltter set? Does he get discouraged after missed shots? Does he disappear? Is he left or right handed? Can he rebound in traffic with two hands? I need some facts here.

Splitter didn't enter the draft this year. he chose to play in Europe for another year which was a wise choice since he's only 20 and finally started playing well for Tau in the playoffs.

Even if Splitter had entered the draft i would've still taken Bynum, green, granger and graham over him

I was as big on Graham as anyone, and after we threw down the Q trade there was ABSOLTELY, POSITIVELY, NO reason to draft a SG/SF. None, which ruled out each and every swingman on the board. Honestly, at first I absolutely hated the Frye pick I was on the phone with my dad praying "please don't pick Frye". But you know what, I don't think there is someone Zeke could have picked that would have made me as comfortable now as I am with taking Frye. He was the absolute best option for this team after the trade went down. I don't know how at least that point can be argued.

simple.. trade jamal crawford or Marbury for a need. like a frontcourt player. You have to draft the best player available otherwise people are going to look back and wonder why the hell you drafted Tony Battie 5th overall over so many future allstars

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by Pharzeone:

I remember those tweener shots at Wallace quite well. Remember he didn't blossom until he got in Portland. I don't why Guns is on Frye's case so bad because his guy Splitter would have been far worst than Freddy Weiss. That is if he had the b#lls to stay in the draft at least one year. I guess he knows better.

my guy Splitter? What in the world are you talking about my friend? Splitter is in Europe!

what kind of screens does Spiltter set? Does he get discouraged after missed shots? Does he disappear? Is he left or right handed? Can he rebound in traffic with two hands? I need some facts here.

Splitter didn't enter the draft this year. he chose to play in Europe for another year which was a wise choice since he's only 20 and finally started playing well for Tau in the playoffs.

Even if Splitter had entered the draft i would've still taken Bynum, green, granger and graham over him

I was as big on Graham as anyone, and after we threw down the Q trade there was ABSOLTELY, POSITIVELY, NO reason to draft a SG/SF. None, which ruled out each and every swingman on the board. Honestly, at first I absolutely hated the Frye pick I was on the phone with my dad praying "please don't pick Frye". But you know what, I don't think there is someone Zeke could have picked that would have made me as comfortable now as I am with taking Frye. He was the absolute best option for this team after the trade went down. I don't know how at least that point can be argued.

simple.. trade jamal crawford or Marbury for a need. like a frontcourt player. You have to draft the best player available otherwise people are going to look back and wonder why the hell you drafted Tony Battie 5th overall over so many future allstars

It takes 2 to tango, bro. So we draft BPA and deal from a position of what? Strength? Or is it really a position of weakness knowing that we now HAVE to get rid of either the Star guard that Zeke brought in here tio be the face of the Franchise (meaning we don't get value for him) or dealing the guy that Zeke worked for 2 months to get here gave him his vote as a future STAR, went out of his way to recruit this guy, even signed a crappy deal with Baker JUST TO GET THIS GUY here....for whom, BTW, we wouldn't get equal value. That doesn't seem like a position of strength to me.