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gunsnewing
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7/8/2005  3:22 PM
and by the way Wizards fans aren't happy about them matching Etan's offer last year.

and many of them want Sweetney and JYD because of the Georgetown connection.

I think the Knicks need Sweetney more than Crawford and his 39% getting in Nate's way
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7/8/2005  4:44 PM
no deal for sweetney, crawford and a second round pick or a late round pick for Kwame

Isiah, Aguire can work with him and reach him
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7/8/2005  4:47 PM
Posted by MS:

no deal for sweetney, crawford and a second round pick or a late round pick for Kwame

Isiah, Aguire can work with him and reach him

that won't work. it would have to be a sign & trade of Crawford for Kwame & their #1 pick

or

Crawford, Rose or JYD for Kwame, Etan & their #1 pick
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7/8/2005  4:49 PM
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7/8/2005  6:48 PM
Now that Hughes has been signed by Cleveland, will Isiah be willing to depart with the ever inconsistant Crawfford and a Sweetney to acquire Kwame and JJ OR either a pick or the young Blatche???

If I were Zeke, that would be the deal that I would pursue when it comes to Kwame. With JJ we would be more than set at the SF position. Kwame would be a project, but we wouldn't have to overpay to get him.

again
Kwame and JJ for Crawff and Sweetney

or Kwame and Blatche for Crawfford and Sweetney
or Kwame and a first round pick for Crawfford.
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7/8/2005  7:16 PM
At first I would of made this trade but after seeing Trevor Arizas performance, it is obvious that he is not ready to get the minutes he would recieve if Crawford was traded. Washington might go after Mobley or Flip Murray, but no way I see them getting Crawford.
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7/8/2005  7:17 PM
It will not hurt trying...offer them Crawfford and see where it goes. However, the Hawks may be able to offer a lot more than what we can...
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7/9/2005  5:38 PM
The likelyness of this happening just increased. After losing Larry Hughes, the wizards are actively trying to ship away Kwame for a SG. If Zeke takes Allan Houstons word and ssumes he will make a comeback, then crawford is gone. If the Wizards dont trade with us, I see them trading to Sacremento for Mobley. Sacremento is also looking for a big man, but they want Nene.

Kwame Brown and 2nd round pick

-for-

Jamal Crawford
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7/9/2005  5:41 PM
I wouldn't completely be against trading Crawford, seeing as how Marbury is staying for sure. But if anything, I think we need to include either JYD or Sweetney in the deal. I'm pretty sure Washington, if they WERE interesting in Jamal, wouldn't mind adding a Georgetown alumn...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/9/2005  5:58 PM
Kwame and Jeffries

-for-

Crawford and Sweetney (maybe a pick included)

I would love this trade
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7/9/2005  6:07 PM
Look, I'm somewhat advocating a Craw for Kwame deal. I wouldn't like that, but I think it might be a necessary risk. There's absolutely no way I give up Sweetney and Crawford for Kwame. JEfferies is meaningless garbage. No way.
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7/9/2005  7:53 PM
I agree, except for the fact that I'd MUCH rather ask for Jarvis Hayes instead of Jefferies. Hayes is a SG/SF, and would fill 2 needs, while Jefferies only 1. Maybe something like:

Resigned Kwame, Hayes

FOR

Crawford, Sweetney, '06 S.A. 1st


Edit: I realized Hayes is getting major minutes with the Wizards, and I doubt they'd trade him now, with Hughes gone and all. I guess we'd have to settle for Jefferies and hope Ariza can spot minutes at the 2...

Resigned Kwame, Jared Jefferies, Fut. 2nd

FOR

Crawford, Sweetney

Any thoughts???


[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/09/2005 19:59:06]

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/09/2005 20:24:35]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/9/2005  8:26 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

I agree, except for the fact that I'd MUCH rather ask for Jarvis Hayes instead of Jefferies. Hayes is a SG/SF, and would fill 2 needs, while Jefferies only 1. Maybe something like:

Resigned Kwame, Hayes

FOR

Crawford, Sweetney, '06 S.A. 1st


Edit: I realized Hayes is getting major minutes with the Wizards, and I doubt they'd trade him now, with Hughes gone and all. I guess we'd have to settle for Jefferies and hope Ariza can spot minutes at the 2...

Resigned Kwame, Jared Jefferies, Fut. 2nd

FOR

Crawford, Sweetney

Any thoughts???


[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/09/2005 19:59:06]

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/09/2005 20:24:35]
That's a horrible trade. Kwame is a bust (can't help it that the Wizs took him #1 overrall, they must deal with that), second Hayes hasn't did anything in his career thrust far to distinguish himself as a better player or prospect than Hayes, and on top of it you want to throw in a 1st round pick. Oh yeah give them Sweetney too. This is still a KNicks forum isn't it?

[Edited by - pharzeone on 07/09/2005 20:27:35]
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Posted by Pharzeone:

[quote]That's a horrible trade. Kwame is a bust (can't help it that the Wizs took him #1 overrall, they must deal with that), second Hayes hasn't did anything in his career thrust far to distinguish himself as a better player or prospect than Hayes, and on top of it you want to throw in a 1st round pick. Oh yeah give them Sweetney too. This is still a KNicks forum isn't it?

[Edited by - pharzeone on 07/09/2005 20:27:35]


Umm, well first of all, the bolded part....that doesnt make any sense. Did you mean Hayes hasn't done anything to distinguish himself like Kwame? Other thing is that, how much do you REALLY know about Hayes? The guy was drafted 10th, and has been playing about 30 MPG for Washington - and that was WITH Hughes playing the 2.

Jefferies does fill a need for us, and plays pretty good D. He's long and can run the floor. And I had Washington giving US the 2nd Rounder, not the other way around.

Do I think that deal is fair in the first place? No, but with players like Kwame, you never know. It's always a risk, but it could pay dividends. Is Redd worth a max contract? Hell no, but that's what Milwaukee had to do to secure him. If we want to make sure we get a shot-blocking, defensive-oriented big that has room to improve, and clear the glut at guard, then this move is something we should look to do. There aren't that many other trades we can make that make sense in the first place.



[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/09/2005 20:39:53]

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/09/2005 20:40:29]

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/09/2005 20:42:21]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/9/2005  9:16 PM
thats horribly overpaying for Kwame. His stock is at an all time low. Everyone knows Wash isnt taking him back, he was suspended in the playoffs... bla bla bla. This is a buy low situation. Crawford for Kwame and a pick (coming FROM wash) is fair. Wash gets a reasonable cost player to replace Hughes and it costs them a player they werent keeping and a pick.
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7/9/2005  9:22 PM
Why must we even consider trading for Kwame????? why can't we just continue to build from the draft????
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7/9/2005  9:39 PM
Posted by fishmike:

thats horribly overpaying for Kwame. His stock is at an all time low. Everyone knows Wash isnt taking him back, he was suspended in the playoffs... bla bla bla. This is a buy low situation. Crawford for Kwame and a pick (coming FROM wash) is fair. Wash gets a reasonable cost player to replace Hughes and it costs them a player they werent keeping and a pick.

You could look at a deal like this as if you're basically trading Crawford for a potential lottery pick- if its unrestricted, fine- better in 07.
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7/9/2005  9:58 PM
Most of you seem to think Crawford for Kwame and a Fut. Pick is fair. As do I. But to say Kwame's stock is low is not true. Atlanta would easily overpay for him just like us. The reason why I think you include Sweetney and Jefferies is b/c we need to find some way to solve the glut at PF. Jefferies is a long, athletic SF that can play D. Sweetney is a hometown boy from Georgetown and would be a crowd favorite. I'd rather keep Sweets, but Jefferies would better suit our run and gun style, and the Wizards would need a PF to replace Kwame.

To say that this type of deal is def. in the cards is stupid. But if Isiah is favoring Kwame over James, then this might be the way to go. Apparently, we won't be getting Kwame for just Sweets and JYD. So unless we're signing James to the MLE, this might very well be an option...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/9/2005  10:02 PM
then let them overpay. I'm saying overpaying for anyone right now isnt worth it. Wait and deal from strength. We have been waiting for 2 years to see Kurt traded. When he finally was it was for not only a younger player but a good pick coming back as well. Thats the value of patience in a nutshell. If Nate and Q are playing great will anyone really care that we had to watch KT play 80 games during another 30 win season?

Sell high buy low... This is the first offseason we have really done that, and if it means we have to wait to do deals and carry dead weight a little longer than so be it. You cant accelerate this process, and if you try it will most likely come back and bite you.
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7/9/2005  10:10 PM
you might very well be right, but as a knick fan, that quite frankly sucks.


you're certainly right that it's better to trade from a position of strength, but can we really afford to play it safe this summer? Marbury isn't gettin any younger, and if Isiah intends on keeping him, there isn't much we're gonna improve unless we do something drastic and risky. Watching the rookies, I don't see Frye making a drastic impact. Nate won't be getting enough minutes with Crawford and Marbury manning the point. Ariza still doesn't look ready just yet to start, and our PF situation is still a mystery. Personally, I'm willing to give Kwame a shot, even though I'd rather just trade Marbury and let Crawford run the point. However, i don't see that happening.

Crawford and Sweetney for Kwame, Jefferies, and a Future Pick is something I'd approve of. Not sure what the rest of you think, but seeing as how Washington is pretty much demanding a SG in return for him, I see no other choice......unless Jerome James is Isiah's man (don't see that being the case).

btw: Trading Crawford does give Nate more minutes to make an impact.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/09/2005 22:12:30]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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