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eViL
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7/5/2005  1:14 PM
Even if we change our style to the up-tempo game, we're still going to be running mostly half-court sets.

There's no team that fast breaks 100% of the time. And if we make the playoffs, the ability to perform in the half-court set is crucial. I see this up-tempo style as a great way to score quick and easy, but when a game is on the line - it all boils down to how you perform in the half-court.

That being said: Marbury excels at both aspects to this game (as demonstrated in his time with Phoenix and his year and a half so far in NY).
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7/5/2005  1:19 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I'm with you on the uptempo thing, but I dont see a player that more benefits from such a style change as Marbury does.

I just hope with the uptempo thing he does chuck when he doesn't need to. oh by the way the new version of the FDOR Futures order entry crapped out. just kidding
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7/5/2005  1:27 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

Half court pick and roll style game wins championships.

then how about getting in players who fit THAT style of game instead? i want a definite identity...that's why i feel a move like this makes sense...if Isiah's vision is based on Marbury picking & rolling, then we should have held onto KT & traded Crawford for a more traditional spot up shooter...all this back & forth in terms of roster moves that don't follow along any specific direction is frustrating to endure...the Knicks of the mid 90's was a tough defending, half court team that slowed the pace of the game to suit their strength in the frontcourt...this knick team is centered more on their G's...God forbid we implement a system where we take advantage of our personnel.
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7/5/2005  2:10 PM
It is possible for players to be able to perform well in both up-tempo games as well as half-court sets. Phoenix didn't just abandon their fast breaks because they traded for KT.
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7/5/2005  2:53 PM
Really why is everyone so enamored with Marbury, his accomplishments besides being a 20 & 8 are really non-existent. I would do that trade in a heart beat, we get one of the best defenders at the power forward position improve our shot blocking, and really have a team that can run and gun…Obviously I would give up Sweets and Marbury and a 1st pick for Nene and K-Mart that’s a lot of muscle to add and give us added depth at the center position
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7/5/2005  3:10 PM
Posted by TMS:
i don't think he CAN'T play in an uptempo system...my point is he's more suited to a halfcourt, pick & roll style game

just figured i'd repeat for those with selective hearing on this thread.









I understand, a lot of people don't think Steph can play in an uptempo system. Personally, I think he can when he has the right teammates around him. While it is clear that Isiah wants this team to be able to run, I don't think he wants us to be the Suns. I think Isiah is trying to put together a team that can run but at the same time a team that can play well in the halfcourt offense like the Spurs.
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7/5/2005  4:48 PM
only half court pick and roll teams win titles? Look at the Spurs and Det. Did anyone watch those series? If you break it down as different as they are the play to the same philosophy:
Dominate the glass and attack on defense. The second they get a board or a steal they push it for easy baskets and transition hoops (also known as running). If the other team's transition D is solid they pull it back into a half court set.

they are both running teams, but also solid in the half court.
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7/5/2005  5:19 PM
that's not what i've been getting from all the comments he's made since he's become the GM of the Knicks...all he ever talks about is making us younger, more athletic & wanting to run a more uptempo style game to get easy baskets in transition...but hey, if the plan is to create a balanced team, then i'm all for keeping Marbury on the team...i just think you could improve the team's future outlook alot quicker if you made this trade.
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7/5/2005  5:56 PM
I defend TMS completely here; Marbury is not the answer in our NYK backcourt. He was a temporary makeshift "star" brought in to put fannies in the seats and possibly revive interest in the Knicks. Now, he simply doesn't belong here. Trade his ass for the best package of first round picks that you can get, Isiah.
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7/5/2005  6:08 PM
Posted by Redsoxrule:

I defend TMS completely here; Marbury is not the answer in our NYK backcourt. He was a temporary makeshift "star" brought in to put fannies in the seats and possibly revive interest in the Knicks. Now, he simply doesn't belong here. Trade his ass for the best package of first round picks that you can get, Isiah.
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Wouldn't surprise me at all if you are right. If we do trade Marbury, this isn't a bad deal at all. However, I'm not a big Kenyon fan. He is excellent in transition but I'm not too crazy about the weak arsenal of post moves he has which he is gonna have to use when we play teams like the Spurs who can get back on defense. I just really hope we give Steph another shot. He had no help at all last season until Tim Thomas finally showed up.

Despite his bad rep, I think its easy to see Steph really wants to win. Hopefully, he gets a chance to do that here.

[Edited by - s3231 on 07/05/2005 18:09:39]
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7/5/2005  8:31 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by fishmike:

why do people think Marbury cant play in an uptempo system? Getting him out of the halfcourt will be the best thing for him. This crap where he walks the ball up court is problem A. Pushing the ball doesnt do any good when the other 4 guys are behind you.

Lets see him in motion for once.

If Nate and Craw really are the PG combo of the future than fine... get Marbury playing at a high level and trade him from a point of strength. Whats the worst? Marbury plays 2 for awhile? Its got just as many advantages as disadvantages.

22/8 players that go the the FT line 7 times a game dont grow on trees here. He's 28. Moving him now would be a horrible mistake demonstrating a huge lack of patience.

Good point fish, I know a lot of us are real excited about the new young guys on the team, but there are times you need that player like marbury who can get to the line and score when you really need some points. And then there are the games when you need that one guy to take over.. Like you said 20/8 guys don't grow on trees... I think marbury can play uptempo, actually I know he can.. I don't know where this notion that he is just a half court player came from..
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7/5/2005  11:40 PM
as long as zeke is here, starbury is a good fit for new york and zeke's vision will be realized

but if dolan were to say goodbye to zeke today, our next gm could consider the suns pick perfect timing to exit starbury
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