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7/4/2005  8:58 PM
Posted by Redsoxrule:

To me, if the guy's a baller, he doesn't get overshadowed by Jordan, Arenas or Jaimeson. He finds a way to COMPLEMENT them. He becomes a part of the TEAM. Kwame should have worked harder in the gym and weight room and made the most of his opportunities...rather than mope and be disruptive. I can't make excuses for the guy. He's just not worthy of an important position on this team BECAUSE HE HASN'T EARNED IT!

NO to kidkwame.
Kwame does get in the gym and work on his game, the problem is there is nothing to show for it. At 6'11 with 260 pounds of muscle, this was supposed to be his stand-out year and he got injured. And then when he came back he played reduced minutes due players like Etan Thomas, Brendan Haywood and Michael Ruffin stepping up. Im not saying that if he was healthy he would be a 20 and 10 guy, but maybe something close. Zeke has an eye for talent, and his eye has been on brown since he bacame a free agent.
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7/4/2005  8:58 PM
the fact that Kwame has been in the league 4yrs doesn't mean much to me. Bigs take longer to develop. I don't expect much from an 18yr old Center just like I wouldn't expect much from Bynum this year. And by developing I'm not talking about just physical and skills wise. Maturity is as big a factor. Kwame's confidence is really down right now. He needs a change of scenary in the worst way. He's shown that he is skilled enough to have some monster games. With the right coaching and a fresh start he should be able to do it consistently. He's only 23. He has yet to entire his prime, he is still growing. Tim Thomas is 29 well into his prime and his prime sucks



[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/04/2005 21:09:45]
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7/4/2005  9:01 PM
Posted by Redsoxrule:

To me, if the guy's a baller, he doesn't get overshadowed by Jordan, Arenas or Jaimeson. He finds a way to COMPLEMENT them. He becomes a part of the TEAM. Kwame should have worked harder in the gym and weight room and made the most of his opportunities...rather than mope and be disruptive. I can't make excuses for the guy. He's just not worthy of an important position on this team BECAUSE HE HASN'T EARNED IT!

NO to kidkwame.

you're right he hasn't but he's still only 23 and has faced immense pressure since 18. He needs a change of scenery



[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/04/2005 21:07:43]
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7/4/2005  9:06 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Redsoxrule:

To me, if the guy's a baller, he doesn't get overshadowed by Jordan, Arenas or Jaimeson. He finds a way to COMPLEMENT them. He becomes a part of the TEAM. Kwame should have worked harder in the gym and weight room and made the most of his opportunities...rather than mope and be disruptive. I can't make excuses for the guy. He's just not worthy of an important position on this team BECAUSE HE HASN'T EARNED IT!

NO to kidkwame.

you're right he hasn't but he's still only 23 and has faced immense pressure since 18. He needs a change of scenary

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/04/2005 21:03:48]

plus his stats were getting better each year...last year was a fluke with his injury.
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7/4/2005  9:22 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

the fact that Kwame has been in the league 4yrs doesn't mean much to me. Bigs take longer to develop. I don't expect much from an 18yr old Center just like I wouldn't expect much from Bynum this year. And by developing I'm not talking about just physical and skills wise. Maturity is as big a factor. Kwame's confidence is really down right now. He needs a change of scenary in the worst way. He's shown that he is skilled enough to have some monster games. With the right coaching and a fresh start he should be able to do it consistently. He's only 23. He has yet to entire his prime, he is still growing. Tim Thomas is 29 well into his prime and his prime sucks



[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/04/2005 21:09:45]

I agree, I think Kwame is worth any risk.
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7/4/2005  9:30 PM
Posted by Knick2001:
Posted by gunsnewing:

the fact that Kwame has been in the league 4yrs doesn't mean much to me. Bigs take longer to develop. I don't expect much from an 18yr old Center just like I wouldn't expect much from Bynum this year. And by developing I'm not talking about just physical and skills wise. Maturity is as big a factor. Kwame's confidence is really down right now. He needs a change of scenary in the worst way. He's shown that he is skilled enough to have some monster games. With the right coaching and a fresh start he should be able to do it consistently. He's only 23. He has yet to entire his prime, he is still growing. Tim Thomas is 29 well into his prime and his prime sucks



[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/04/2005 21:09:45]

I agree, I think Kwame is worth any risk.

exactly the NBA is a league of Men not 18yr olds. Its different with 18yr old guards who prance around on the perimeter. Amare is a freak of nature!
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7/4/2005  9:34 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Knick2001:
Posted by gunsnewing:

the fact that Kwame has been in the league 4yrs doesn't mean much to me. Bigs take longer to develop. I don't expect much from an 18yr old Center just like I wouldn't expect much from Bynum this year. And by developing I'm not talking about just physical and skills wise. Maturity is as big a factor. Kwame's confidence is really down right now. He needs a change of scenary in the worst way. He's shown that he is skilled enough to have some monster games. With the right coaching and a fresh start he should be able to do it consistently. He's only 23. He has yet to entire his prime, he is still growing. Tim Thomas is 29 well into his prime and his prime sucks



[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/04/2005 21:09:45]

I agree, I think Kwame is worth any risk.

exactly the NBA is a league of Men not 18yr olds. Its different with 18yr old guards who prance around on the perimeter. Amare is a freak of nature!

he's not 18. he's 23. and he's selling his teammates out during the playoffs, laying down and quitting on the team.
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7/4/2005  9:38 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Knick2001:
Posted by gunsnewing:

the fact that Kwame has been in the league 4yrs doesn't mean much to me. Bigs take longer to develop. I don't expect much from an 18yr old Center just like I wouldn't expect much from Bynum this year. And by developing I'm not talking about just physical and skills wise. Maturity is as big a factor. Kwame's confidence is really down right now. He needs a change of scenary in the worst way. He's shown that he is skilled enough to have some monster games. With the right coaching and a fresh start he should be able to do it consistently. He's only 23. He has yet to entire his prime, he is still growing. Tim Thomas is 29 well into his prime and his prime sucks



[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/04/2005 21:09:45]

I agree, I think Kwame is worth any risk.

exactly the NBA is a league of Men not 18yr olds. Its different with 18yr old guards who prance around on the perimeter. Amare is a freak of nature!

he's not 18. he's 23. and he's selling his teammates out during the playoffs, laying down and quitting on the team.

I'm telling you he needs a change of scenery lol
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7/4/2005  9:49 PM
There's a dearth of legitimate "Big Men" in the NBA and I think IT realizes this--that is why I think he will settle for players who may be a couple inches shorter than 7 feet but make up for it with wingspan or athletic ability or more heady play. Outside of Shaq there are no true bangers out there who can physically dominate an opponent--and even Shaq is more hesitant now to mix it up in the paint. I think a combination of Frye and Swift/Kwame would easily suffice for the center position next year. The thing that worries me about Kwame is that he was MJ's hand picked choice and his pet project...and went completely bust. But he should be a little more mature now.

If worst comes to worst I would consider picking up Randy Johnson in late October since I believe he will be available--but only if he brings back his intimidating mullet.
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7/4/2005  10:07 PM
All you need to know about Kwame is that he quit on his team, DURING THE PLAYOFFS, and he thinks DC is a big city. If he thinks DC is a big city and couldn't handle the pressure there, what the heck is he going to do here??

Aren't we tired of players with no heart and no passion for the game?
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7/4/2005  10:22 PM
Posted by islesfan:

All you need to know about Kwame is that he quit on his team, DURING THE PLAYOFFS, and he thinks DC is a big city. If he thinks DC is a big city and couldn't handle the pressure there, what the heck is he going to do here??

Aren't we tired of players with no heart and no passion for the game?

he was 18 then. he's 23 now and in dire need of a fresh start. He will be embraced by Isiah, Aguirre & Herb

He was injured all year. I'm sure he was very frustrated with the setback. Whether you like him or not his numbers have been increasing as he developes. He worked hard on his body in the offseason. its not unrealistic to expect him to average a lot more than 11pts 7.5rebs on our depleted frontline

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/04/2005 22:27:47]
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7/4/2005  10:25 PM
I don't think that some fans here on this board know what they really want...they are bitching about TT's softness, but they want Kwame hold heartedly. Some fans go really blind by a guy's muscular frame....Forget about this scrubb....He is a softy...
Posted by islesfan:

All you need to know about Kwame is that he quit on his team, DURING THE PLAYOFFS, and he thinks DC is a big city. If he thinks DC is a big city and couldn't handle the pressure there, what the heck is he going to do here??

Aren't we tired of players with no heart and no passion for the game?
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7/4/2005  10:29 PM
Posted by diderotn:

I don't think that some fans here on this board know what they really want...they are bitching about TT's softness, but they want Kwame hold heartedly. Some fans go really blind by a guy's muscular frame....Forget about this scrubb....He is a softy...
Posted by islesfan:

All you need to know about Kwame is that he quit on his team, DURING THE PLAYOFFS, and he thinks DC is a big city. If he thinks DC is a big city and couldn't handle the pressure there, what the heck is he going to do here??

Aren't we tired of players with no heart and no passion for the game?

he's only 23. plenty of time to learn from his mistakes and learn from playoff experiences
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7/4/2005  10:36 PM
Guns! we normally agree about a lot of things, but this time I am going to take a different side...You really don' t know Kwame like I know him...This kid is not capable of handling a f..ed up city like N.Y. That boy is so sensitive, when he feels pressure, he brakes out. Since a lot of you are expecting this kid to be the next J Oneal, take a few seconds to analyse a few things about their games...J Oneal worked really hard to earn the respect that he currently have around the league. He didn't disrespect anyone, that is eventhough he was the best player in that squad. J Oneal's arms are much longer which is a very good advantage for him in the defensive end. He has larger hands, which helps him from fumbling or turning the ball over. Those two are so different, it is not even funny. J Oneal has a mean streak,Kwame doesn't.

That boy is a scrubb....invest that money in someone else...go for Hunter who is about the same age and has better numbers...


he's only 23. plenty of time to learn from his mistakes and learn from playoff experiences
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7/4/2005  10:43 PM
Kwame never had another quality veteran big man to learn other than maybe Popeye Jones or Christian Laettner--bring him in with Malik Rose and Aguirre and JYD and let him get to work. Hell, if Herb stays we may even get Patrick back as an assistant. If Kwame doesn't pan out we will know it soon and there will always be another sucker to trade for him.
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7/4/2005  10:46 PM
be careful with what you wish for....Kwame is not worth it...Keep Sweetney for the time being and trade him by mid season for a much better asset.

Posted by roblackman:

Kwame never had another quality veteran big man to learn other than maybe Popeye Jones or Christian Laettner--bring him in with Malik Rose and Aguirre and JYD and let him get to work. Hell, if Herb stays we may even get Patrick back as an assistant. If Kwame doesn't pan out we will know it soon and there will always be another sucker to trade for him.
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7/4/2005  10:48 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by islesfan:

All you need to know about Kwame is that he quit on his team, DURING THE PLAYOFFS, and he thinks DC is a big city. If he thinks DC is a big city and couldn't handle the pressure there, what the heck is he going to do here??

Aren't we tired of players with no heart and no passion for the game?

he was 18 then. he's 23 now and in dire need of a fresh start. He will be embraced by Isiah, Aguirre & Herb

He was injured all year. I'm sure he was very frustrated with the setback. Whether you like him or not his numbers have been increasing as he developes. He worked hard on his body in the offseason. its not unrealistic to expect him to average a lot more than 11pts 7.5rebs on our depleted frontline

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/04/2005 22:27:47]

Guns, we're all talking about what he just did, at age 23, You don't remember he quit during the 2005 playoffs and got thrown off the team? Right now - age 23 - not when he was 18.
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7/4/2005  11:02 PM
Look, the Knicks need a shotblocker in the front court...In 5 years, Kwame only blocked 125 shots,,,,,at this point, Swift 509 blocks in 5 year and Hunter 254 fit our need much more than Kwame's aweful stats...Let's not forget that Kwame got more minutes than each of those other two....
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7/4/2005  11:03 PM
Posted by Marv:

Guns, we're all talking about what he just did, at age 23, You don't remember he quit during the 2005 playoffs and got thrown off the team? Right now - age 23 - not when he was 18.
Seriously bro. He QUIT on his team in the PLAYOFFS! This is like a month ago not 4 years ago. You obviously wont agree with anything I say but now Marv said it too. How many times have you seen a guy change so drastically?

And fine, lets say he is motivated and plays hard for an entire season. What happens the next year? This is not a good gamble Rod. This guy has shown us NOTHING in the past 4 years.
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7/4/2005  11:23 PM
Look here, if Zeke really wants to know about Kwame, all he has to do is consult Oaktree......The year that Oak spent in Washington, he fiercely criticised Kwame's lack of desire to play the game of basketball. I am pretty sure that Ewing felt the same way about him also...
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