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7/5/2005  10:59 PM
Sweetney is a good player, but our team is looking for a uptempo defensive player.

since when is kwame up tempo

If Kwame can play solid defense, rebound, block and alter shots, command double teams in the post, that's good enough. Maybe he might put up 16/9/2 with a strong presence on defense when he reaches his prime.

and that is the real issue about kwame's game..too many if(s) and maybe(s)

so what it really comes down to is lets gamble on zeke's reputation just so everybody can reply.....i told you so

btw.....the dialog kwame had in exchange with coach jordan should be the type of behavior dolan may want to steer away from
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7/6/2005  12:13 AM
Posted by Bobby:
Sweetney is a good player, but our team is looking for a uptempo defensive player.

since when is kwame up tempo

If Kwame can play solid defense, rebound, block and alter shots, command double teams in the post, that's good enough. Maybe he might put up 16/9/2 with a strong presence on defense when he reaches his prime.

and that is the real issue about kwame's game..too many if(s) and maybe(s)

so what it really comes down to is lets gamble on zeke's reputation just so everybody can reply.....i told you so

btw.....the dialog kwame had in exchange with coach jordan should be the type of behavior dolan may want to steer away from

Can Kwame play upteamo? Yes he can. People don't want to hear about if's when it comes to Kwame, however they can listen to a thousand excuse about Sweetney's weight, conditioning issuses and poor defense and his refusal to go to summer league.

As far as if's or let's say potiental.

Now this issue of potential. I find it funny that when a player is on another team people we want to say, "I don't want to hear about potential." However when it comes to a player on this team we are supposed to hear every potential situation possible. Example look at how many people said Sweetney can be like Barkley? My response is, "What Barkley?' Not the one that is one of the best pf's of all time?""Or he can be the next Brand?" Is that not potential?

People want to bring up the fact that Kwame has not been playing up to where is he is supposed be. Kwame has been on same team since he has been in the NBA. You ever thought that when players don't want to play on certain teams they just don't try? Look at Tmac in Orlando, Vince, Baron Davis last year before he got traded. The truth is, this is the NBA where players play good when they are in a situation sometimes that they are happy with.
In New York Kwame will not be the savor. He will have positive coaches not one, but numerous coaches that can work with him. He will also have a GM that has his best interest as far as development. Again, we don't need Kwame to be a superstar we need him to play good one on one defense and block shots.

If you think a player can't change then there would not be any Billups or Rasheed Wallace or J'Oneals of the world. GM's make
decisions based on if's. Nothing is guaranteed when it comes to drafting and trading.


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7/6/2005  7:19 AM
Kwame is a bumb, he is not a defender...Knicks need a defender/shot blocker not another jump shooter. Whomever said that Kwame is a defender needs to go back and take a look at the games that he played...He doesn't move his feet on help D and he is a horrible shot blocker.
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7/6/2005  8:12 AM
Can Kwame play upteamo? Yes he can. People don't want to hear about if's when it comes to Kwame, however they can listen to a thousand excuse about Sweetney's weight, conditioning issuses and poor defense and his refusal to go to summer league.

Nice post.
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7/6/2005  8:39 AM
there are two types of Knicks fans, those who want the Knicks to be successfull and those who want to watch acrobatic players, but poor success.

Those who want to win are more reserved and want to have winners and hard workers on our roster. They appreciate the intangibles that guys like JYD and the little midget that Isiah just acquired....

the other kind, want to see guys like Kwame who plays no D nor block shots, etc.

I hope that Isiah agrees more with those of us who really want to win, because after all, that is competition is all about.

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7/6/2005  9:24 AM
Posted by diderotn:

there are two types of Knicks fans, those who want the Knicks to be successfull and those who want to watch acrobatic players, but poor success.

Those who want to win are more reserved and want to have winners and hard workers on our roster. They appreciate the intangibles that guys like JYD and the little midget that Isiah just acquired....

the other kind, want to see guys like Kwame who plays no D nor block shots, etc.

I hope that Isiah agrees more with those of us who really want to win, because after all, that is competition is all about.
Well I guess I'm the "other kind" then.
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7/6/2005  10:55 AM
I think Kwame has a bigger upside than Sweetney and whatever Sweetney gives us, we can probably get from Mo Taylor - i hate his contract and his defnese but he can score in the post, and thats what sweetney does. we lose some rebounding but we have guys like malik rose and JYD who rebound the ball very well. Kwame is long and athletic enough that he could blossom in the right situation. I think what we lose in Sweetney is replacable - I don't think he can become a real special player, especially given his work ethic and his inability to keep his weight down. Kwame has at least been in good shape, the Knicks might be able to motivate him.. imagine having to play in washington where everyone expects you to become one of the elite players. he won't have that pressure here.
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7/6/2005  10:59 AM
MSG itself is a pressured place to play in....the media and the hungry fans are even worst. If Ewing who is a hall of famer was pressured, it is not Kwame that will not be pressured..

he won't have that pressure here.
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7/6/2005  11:04 AM
Posted by diderotn:

MSG itself is a pressured place to play in....the media and the hungry fans are even worst. If Ewing who is a hall of famer was pressured, it is not Kwame that will not be pressured..

he won't have that pressure here.

he isn't our number 1 pick ...he isn't coming into new york with the expectations of being the next garnett. the potential is there, but knicks fans will only expect him to play good defense and grab some rebounds. i think a lot of people
will be happy if he averages 11/7/1, and unlike sweetney, plays defense. anything more than that will be a bonus. in washington they are all waiting for him to become a dominant player
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7/6/2005  11:07 AM
Posted by diderotn:

there are two types of Knicks fans, those who want the Knicks to be successfull and those who want to watch acrobatic players, but poor success.

Those who want to win are more reserved and want to have winners and hard workers on our roster. They appreciate the intangibles that guys like JYD and the little midget that Isiah just acquired....

the other kind, want to see guys like Kwame who plays no D nor block shots, etc.

I hope that Isiah agrees more with those of us who really want to win, because after all, that is competition is all about.

Really I think you have not even seen Kwame play. Anybody that has seen Kwame play will tell you that he can play good one on one D. You think Kwame is slow on his feet? I guess you feel Sweetney is fast on his feet? Seriously, I think you have not watched him play. All you have done is pick up the paper an read about his attitude. Then go look at stats. Kwame's one on one d you can not read on a stat sheet my friend.

Now as far as the types of Knicks fans. These statements are really ridiculous. Have you read my statement for wanting Kwame? I want him because he can play one on one d. Not like you claim I want him because he is acrobatic. Really throughout the 90's and really the 80's we have never really had and acrobatic team. I guess you think no one was a Knick fan but you. I guess you feel Isiah is not a Knick fan and does not want to win because he is going after Kwame also?

Listen, I have been watching the Knicks since the 70's. My parents are Knick fans and so is my wife. I have people that call me up throughout the United States to discuss Knicks basketball.

Just because someone wants Kwame on there team, you think you can determine if a fan wants to win or not. Get a grip on yourself. Because you do know how Kwame will fit on this team. You really think we would be in worse situation they we are in now?

Listen, every Knick fan wants this team to succeed. We all have different views. I think you are no place to question who is a true fan. When most likely have been watching, playing, and coaching basketball longer than you.

[Edited by - BigC on 07/06/2005 11:13:07]
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7/6/2005  11:08 AM
he isn't our number 1 pick ...he isn't coming into new york with the expectations of being the next garnett. the potential is there

That's exactly the way I view it. Camby was another former overall #1 who prospered when traded to the Knicks.

[Edited by - knick2001 on 07/06/2005 11:10:20]
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Posted by BigC:
Posted by diderotn:

there are two types of Knicks fans, those who want the Knicks to be successfull and those who want to watch acrobatic players, but poor success.

Those who want to win are more reserved and want to have winners and hard workers on our roster. They appreciate the intangibles that guys like JYD and the little midget that Isiah just acquired....

the other kind, want to see guys like Kwame who plays no D nor block shots, etc.

I hope that Isiah agrees more with those of us who really want to win, because after all, that is competition is all about.

Really I think you have not even seen Kwame play. Anybody that has seen Kwame play will tell you that he can play good one on one D. You think Kwame is slow on his feet? I guess you feel Sweetney is fast on his feet? Seriously, I think you have not watched him play. All you have done is pick up the paper an read about his attitude. Then go look at stats. Kwame's one on one d you can not read on a stat sheet my friend.

Now as far as the types of Knicks fans. These statements are really ridiculous. Have you read my statement for wanting Kwame? I want him because he can play one on one d. Not like you claim I want him because he is acrobatic. Really throughout the 90's and really the 80's we have never really had an acrobatic team. I guess you think no one was a Knick fan but you? I guess you feel Isiah is not a Knick fan and does not want to win because he is going after Kwame also?

Listen, I have been watching the Knicks since the 70's. My parents are Knick fans and so is my wife. I have people that call me up throughout the United States to discuss Knicks' basketball.

Just because someone wants Kwame on there team, you think you can determine if a fan wants to win or not. Get a grip on yourself. Because you do not know how Kwame will fit on this team. You really think we would be in worse situation than we are in now?

Listen, every Knick fan wants this team to succeed. We all have different views. I think you are no place to question who is a true fan. When most likely I have been watching, playing, and coaching basketball longer than you.

How long have been watching Knicks basketball since you want to questions everyone's else loyalty with this team?

[Edited by - BigC on 07/06/2005 11:13:07]

[Edited by - BigC on 07/06/2005 11:18:45]

[Edited by - BigC on 07/06/2005 11:57:44]
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7/6/2005  11:16 AM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by diderotn:

there are two types of Knicks fans, those who want the Knicks to be successfull and those who want to watch acrobatic players, but poor success.

Those who want to win are more reserved and want to have winners and hard workers on our roster. They appreciate the intangibles that guys like JYD and the little midget that Isiah just acquired....

the other kind, want to see guys like Kwame who plays no D nor block shots, etc.

I hope that Isiah agrees more with those of us who really want to win, because after all, that is competition is all about.

Really I think you have not even seen Kwame play. Anybody that has seen Kwame play will tell you that he can play good one on one D. You think Kwame is slow on his feet? I guess you feel Sweetney is fast on his feet? Seriously, I think you have not watched him play. All you have done is pick up the paper an read about his attitude. Then go look at stats. Kwame's one on one d you can not read on a stat sheet my friend.

Now as far as the types of Knicks fans. These statements are really ridiculous. Have you read my statement for wanting Kwame? I want him because he can play one on one d. Not like you claim I want him because he is acrobatic. Really throughout the 90's and really the 80's we have never really had and acrobatic team. I guess you think no one was a Knick fan but you. I guess you feel Isiah is not a Knick fan and does not want to win because he is going after Kwame also?

Listen, I have been watching the Knicks since the 70's. My parents are Knick fans and so is my wife. I have people that call me up throughout the United States to discuss Knicks basketball.

Just because someone wants Kwame on there team, you think you can determine if a fan wants to win or not. Get a grip on yourself. Because you do know how Kwame will fit on this team. You really think we would be in worse situation they we are in now?

Listen, every Knick fan wants this team to succeed. We all have different views. I think you are no place to question who is a true fan. When most likely have been watching, playing, and coaching basketball longer than you.

[Edited by - BigC on 07/06/2005 11:13:07]

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7/6/2005  11:42 AM
Posted by TheSage:

JYD or Rose not Sweets

This is the only trade scenario I want to happen that involves Kwame. JYD or Rose. If not, then thank you very much. I pass.
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7/6/2005  12:36 PM
Camby was a #2 overall (Iverson was #1) in 1996. This went down as arguably the best draft in NBA history in terms of depth and overall talent/longevity, dipping into the 2nd round too.

Shareef was #3, Marbury #4, Allen #5, Antoine Walker #6, Kittles #8, Dampier #10. Others include: Kobe Bryant #13, Peja #14, Nash #15, Delk #16, Jermaine O'Neal #17, Ilgauskas #20, Derek Fisher #24, *JEROME WILLIAMS* #26, Travis Knight #29, Othella Harrington #30, Moochie Norris #33, Jeff McInnis #37, Malik Rose #44, Shandon Anderson #54.

This of course is also the very same draft where we got John Wallace, Walter McCarty, and Dontae Jones.

Am I counting right? We've had 11 players from this draft on our team at one point or another. Sick!

A change of scenery usually helps players... but it might be his 3rd or 4th team before Kwame Brown finds his niche.
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7/6/2005  12:40 PM
Kwame Brown is Joe Smith. You know what? Not even.
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7/6/2005  12:54 PM
Kwame needs to go to Atlanta, that is home for him, and given the state of mind that they are using right now, it would be really good for him...However, Kwame will never be a star in this league. He has the talent, but not the heart or fire necessary. Kwame's career will be no different than TT's


A change of scenery usually helps players... but it might be his 3rd or 4th team before Kwame Brown finds his niche.
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