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HARDCOREKNICKSFAN
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7/2/2005 3:24 PM

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We are moving forward. no time to look back. This team is improving!

Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!

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7/2/2005 3:55 PM

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i feel your pain with laker's picking up bynum, especially after all the posting and pasting you've done on this forum. and since the draft is over, this is not the signal to start suicide trading either. we've lost one co-captain already and one may be on the chopping block----you never know. how in the world could starbury be any offering when the team is his.......pllllease

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7/2/2005 3:58 PM

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Posted by BigSm00th:

You have TT and KVH on the roster for, what, 4 months? Then, if Houston is bought out and w/ Marbury gone, the Knicks would be about $6 million under the cap.

If that idioitic Mo Taylor trade wasn't done, the Knicks would have enough money to offer max money to someone.

This would be an amazing trade for us. There are some possibilities with a 3 way trade with Portland and Dallas too that would be a long shot but might bring back Ratlif. But hell, this is as good as it gets. PG's that can keep the pace that this team has the potential for are fairly rare, D Harris is one guy who fits the bill well. Who cares what TT and VanHorn do? Let their deals expire to have room for the incoming picks, maybe trade the three picks for an impact lottery player like Josh Boone.

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7/2/2005 5:36 PM

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Posted by Bobby:

i feel your pain with laker's picking up bynum, especially after all the posting and pasting you've done on this forum. and since the draft is over, this is not the signal to start suicide trading either. we've lost one co-captain already and one may be on the chopping block----you never know. how in the world could starbury be any offering when the team is his.......pllllease

Either you rebuild the team or you dont. If you think the top rated PG in last years draft who is more athletic than Marbury, a better defender 6-3 and all of 22 + Van horn + an unconditional pick in 2007 which relieves us of 55MM in salary and gets us to FA in 2 years IF needed is not a fair deal, youre wrong.

If you think this restructuring is taking us to a championship in the next 2 years you are even more wrong. In fact, if we stay somewhat the same, if we have little luck in FA, this is NOT a playoff team. No way NO how.

I said this before, by the time we get EVERYTINg together, Marbury will be well on the way down.

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7/2/2005 5:42 PM

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Posted by Bobby:

i feel your pain with laker's picking up bynum, especially after all the posting and pasting you've done on this forum. and since the draft is over, this is not the signal to start suicide trading either. we've lost one co-captain already and one may be on the chopping block----you never know. how in the world could starbury be any offering when the team is his.......pllllease

Either you rebuild the team or you dont. If you think the top rated PG in last years draft who is more athletic than Marbury, a better defender 6-3 and all of 22 + Van horn + an unconditional pick in 2007 which relieves us of 55MM in salary and gets us to FA in 2 years IF needed is not a fair deal, youre wrong.

If you think this restructuring is taking us to a championship in the next 2 years you are even more wrong. In fact, if we stay somewhat the same, if we have little luck in FA, this is NOT a playoff team. No way NO how.

I said this before, by the time we get EVERYTINg together, Marbury will be well on the way down.

By the time Zeke is finished getting us a coach and a FA or two, we will be a playoff team. We might be a playoff team with Herb and today's roster. We are a better team now.

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7/2/2005 5:47 PM

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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bobby:

i feel your pain with laker's picking up bynum, especially after all the posting and pasting you've done on this forum. and since the draft is over, this is not the signal to start suicide trading either. we've lost one co-captain already and one may be on the chopping block----you never know. how in the world could starbury be any offering when the team is his.......pllllease

Either you rebuild the team or you dont. If you think the top rated PG in last years draft who is more athletic than Marbury, a better defender 6-3 and all of 22 + Van horn + an unconditional pick in 2007 which relieves us of 55MM in salary and gets us to FA in 2 years IF needed is not a fair deal, youre wrong.

If you think this restructuring is taking us to a championship in the next 2 years you are even more wrong. In fact, if we stay somewhat the same, if we have little luck in FA, this is NOT a playoff team. No way NO how.

I said this before, by the time we get EVERYTINg together, Marbury will be well on the way down.

Briggs- the problem I have is that this team playing 05-06 might be good enough to just make the play offs- then, we'll pick 16-20, add a mediocre player and maybe make the play offs 06-07- so, we're treading water rather than swimming out of the rip tide.

I'd rather just accept that I am a lottery bound team for the next three years and do my best to add a Frye, Nate & Lee or better every year.

Love the trade and Dallas is one team I could seeing taking Marbury on.

In 5 years, Marbury might still be pretty good- he is tough. But, if you're playing the odds, you'd have to at least look to trade him.

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7/2/2005 6:32 PM

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Also, one more thing I wanted to add about Marbury that's a bit off topic to the thread:

Remember when Briggs started that thread on how he heard somewhere that Marbury had microfracture knee surgery. Is it THAT far fetched to believe that he possibly could need it within' a couple of years if he's starting to feel knee pain? One thing about knee pain, it just doesn't go away easily, especially if you're near or over 30 years old. Just ask Allan. This COULD be the type of trade we need to start consider making or looking at, b/c as much of a long term thing it is, it helps. Harris might not become a better player down the road, but he's 22 and will be very good, and if we make NO MOVES with the expiring contracts, then we'd be completely under the cap by the '07 off season. And we'd be far enough under it, if we don't take JYDs option, to compete for the Boshs or LeBrons or heck, Darkos of the world. Any of those guys, and if it doesn't work out, then maybe Emeka the year after that. Get where I'm goin'?

This isn't Marbury hate. I like the guy. This is looking towards the future.

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7/2/2005 7:45 PM

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This is a terrible trade for this team. Even if we are rebuilding we have a good foundation. Marbury is far superior to harris and harris has major question marks if he ever reaches that level. We don't need van horn on this team especially if we are rebuilding and the draft pick really isn't worth it. If we were going to trade marbury it had to be before this draft where we could have picked up some great talent. Next year will be a weak draft and for a low pick thats terrible. You would need to get howard or daniels plus 2 #1 picks . This is so much worse than our trade for marbury. What did we give up for marbury that was so bad?

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate

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7/2/2005 7:50 PM

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the re-tooling, once the players and coach are in place, should be establishing a pattern of play that resembles winning, with championship run being a long term goal. how long? 3-4 years sounds good.

for that[championship]run to happen, you have to have stability, you have to have players with heart, hustle and attitude wanting to win. not players age 23 waiting to win a age 27. lets not forget having a good coach for more than a couple of seasons would be nice for a change.

we could go to draft year in and year out only to clone like the clippers or gsw, and for what?.....no thanks, this is new york

and starbury is new york. zeke has yet to surround star with the type of talent indicative of winning. this may be the year

[Edited by - Bobby on 07/02/2005 19:52:41]

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7/2/2005 7:59 PM

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I agree with you...We can't continue to trade every players that we on our roster while hoping that we will find the ones that we need. We need to start focussing on continuity with either players and coaches in year 2 of Zeke presidency. Find a coach and keep him around for at least 3 years and allow all of our boys to learn each other's game. Marb is at his best when he plays with guys that are around him for more than 2 years....Amare, the Metrix, etc....

Let's see how he does with the new crew that we have around and we can judge him at the end of next season...

The true Knickabocker..........

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7/2/2005 7:59 PM

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Posted by Bobby:

Starbury is new york. zeke has yet to surround star with the type of talent indicative of winning. this may be the year

Excellent point. Well put.

Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!

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7/2/2005 9:31 PM

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If we're going to make this team a running, Phoenix East team... then lets do it the best we can. Marbury is going to look slow on this team, really slow. You want to keep a marquee player then trade him for Iverson or Stevie Franchise. Marbs is NYC but we're trying to turn into Phoenix, he is not fast enough to set up the other Ariza, Crawford, Q, Nate, or even Timmy for that matter.

Telfair, Harris, Ford, Heinrich, these are the handful of guys who are as fast as this team wants to be. If we can get one and save money, sign me up.

My ideal (realistic) 05-06 Kincks team
5- Frye, Rose
4- Swift, JYD
3- Ariza, Timmy
2- Q, Crawford
1- Harris, Nate

That would be the fastest team in the league by far and much better defensively than last year. Run&Gun might not win a championship but at least its a philosophy instead of what we've seen post Camby.

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7/2/2005 9:47 PM

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If we're going to make this team a running, Phoenix East team... then lets do it the best we can. Marbury is going to look slow on this team, really slow. You want to keep a marquee player then trade him for Iverson or Stevie Franchise. Marbs is NYC but we're trying to turn into Phoenix, he is not fast enough to set up the other Ariza, Crawford, Q, Nate, or even Timmy for that matter.

Telfair, Harris, Ford, Heinrich, these are the handful of guys who are as fast as this team wants to be. If we can get one and save money, sign me up.

My ideal (realistic) 05-06 Kincks team
5- Frye, Rose
4- Swift, JYD
3- Ariza, Timmy
2- Q, Crawford
1- Harris, Nate

That would be the fastest team in the league by far and much better defensively than last year. Run&Gun might not win a championship but at least its a philosophy instead of what we've seen post Camby.

What? Marbury slow? Come on! He is more than cappable of leading this team to a running game...

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that's not a trade Isiah would ever make, no matter how much better it may or may not be for the future...he's going to have to get a marquee player in return if he's going to give up his guy.

maybe a Paul Pierce calibre player would be a possibility, but i don't see Isiah ever trading Marbury to another team in the division.

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.

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7/3/2005 1:38 AM

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that's not a trade Isiah would ever make, no matter how much better it may or may not be for the future...he's going to have to get a marquee player in return if he's going to give up his guy.

maybe a Paul Pierce calibre player would be a possibility, but i don't see Isiah ever trading Marbury to another team in the division.

why? starbury isnt the second coming, hes been in the league 10 years and hasnt won. If they are revamping the team, why not PG as well?
if there has been a question of chemistry, isnt marbury queen of me first? an arsehole in the locker room? a non leader? i like steph, but he is no isiah thomas and isiah must know it.

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that's not a trade Isiah would ever make, no matter how much better it may or may not be for the future...he's going to have to get a marquee player in return if he's going to give up his guy.

maybe a Paul Pierce calibre player would be a possibility, but i don't see Isiah ever trading Marbury to another team in the division.

why? starbury isnt the second coming, hes been in the league 10 years and hasnt won. If they are revamping the team, why not PG as well?
if there has been a question of chemistry, isnt marbury queen of me first? an arsehole in the locker room? a non leader? i like steph, but he is no isiah thomas and isiah must know it.

isiah staked his entire reputation on that trade to bring Marbury in here...he's not going to trade him away for a bunch of non-proven players & a veteran who he traded away from here in another trade to get another one of his acquisitions, Tim Thomas...just because you or i may think this type of deal might make sense for the Knicks doesn't mean it has a shot in hell of happening...i'm sorry but unless he's getting back a proven star player in the process, i don't see Isiah trading Marbury.

(btw, Paul Pierce isn't the second coming either)

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7/3/2005 2:22 AM

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Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]Posted by TMS:

that's not a trade Isiah would ever make, no matter how much better it may or may not be for the future...he's going to have to get a marquee player in return if he's going to give up his guy.

maybe a Paul Pierce calibre player would be a possibility, but i don't see Isiah ever trading Marbury to another team in the division.

why? starbury isnt the second coming, hes been in the league 10 years and hasnt won. If they are revamping the team, why not PG as well?
if there has been a question of chemistry, isnt marbury queen of me first? an arsehole in the locker room? a non leader? i like steph, but he is no isiah thomas and isiah must know it.

RIP Crushalot😞

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7/3/2005 3:02 AM

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I'm not buying this, but:

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/49268.htm

MARBURY MAY FEEL SQUEEZE

By MARC BERMAN

There are strong indications that Seattle super-agent Aaron Goodwin is concerned with the new Knicks' backcourt glut that leaves Jamal Crawford in a precarious spot. There are appearances Goodwin, the NBA's most influential agent, is eager to see point guard Stephon Marbury traded.

Goodwin, tight with Isiah Thomas, is the agent for Seattle native Crawford and the Knicks first-round pick, Washington 5-foot-9 point guard Nate Robinson.

With Quentin Richardson the new starting shooting guard, Crawford is back to the bench. Marbury plays 40 minutes, and Thomas wants Robinson to pick up the rest. That leaves Crawford in a tough spot. Crawford has been most productive when moved over to point guard. The scenario of Marbury-Crawford-Richardson on the court together hurts them defensively.

At 28, Marbury may fall victim to Thomas' new youth moment. Thomas said in April that Marbury was not untouchable. An anonymous agent was quoted yesterday said he thinks the plan is to make Marbury available.

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Thomas he met in New York with Memphis 6-9 PF/C Stromile Swift, a rangy shot blocker who would solve a big weakness and place Michael Sweetney on the block. But there's little chance of getting the heavily sought Swift for the $5.1M mid-level exception. The unrestricted free agent is seeking $9M per. . . .

Thomas hopes to meet with top center target, Kwame Brown, soon. Washington is willing to do a sign-and-trade. ... Thomas will interview Nate McMillan by phone this week or in Las Vegas. ... Channing Frye and Robinson officially signed yesterday.

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7/3/2005 3:13 AM

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I wish we could work something out for Swift.

http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.

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7/3/2005 5:21 AM

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I agree 110% with you TMS. There's no way Isiah is trading Marbury anytime over the next 3 years in my opinion. The only way Isiah trades Marbury before 3 years is if one King James is attached to it in 2007. Other than that it's more likely that Bird will rehire Isiah to coach the Pacers before Marbury will go

All of this talk is utter dramaculation

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