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how many people here wouldve prefered Chris taft over Lee?
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BRIGGS
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7/2/2005  12:39 AM
we got 3 good ballplayers, i feel good about that--would i have liked to see some different things, yES, but Im also very glad that we are going in the position we are.
Lee is a good ballplayer--the reason I ask this question is because taft can really play 5, hes a shot blocker and Lee is a small 4, a position we are clogged up in. was his value discounted to much because of youth and perhaps poor development by the PITT staff?
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7/2/2005  12:42 AM
It's official. RoBlackman is stoned.
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7/2/2005  12:45 AM
the reason why Isiah passed on Taft is because he failed the psychological test that he was given miserably. Isiah did his homework on the kid just like he did for Frye...what he found out after questioning Taft's teammates, coaches and friends forced him not to pick this kid...Yes he is talented, but Isiah value guys with high moral standard, and Taft is not that type...

Posted by BRIGGS:

we got 3 good ballplayers, i feel good about that--would i have liked to see some different things, yES, but Im also very glad that we are going in the position we are.
Lee is a good ballplayer--the reason I ask this question is because taft can really play 5, hes a shot blocker and Lee is a small 4, a position we are clogged up in. was his value discounted to much because of youth and perhaps poor development by the PITT staff?
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7/2/2005  2:05 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

we got 3 good ballplayers, i feel good about that--would i have liked to see some different things, yES, but Im also very glad that we are going in the position we are.
Lee is a good ballplayer--the reason I ask this question is because taft can really play 5, hes a shot blocker and Lee is a small 4, a position we are clogged up in. was his value discounted to much because of youth and perhaps poor development by the PITT staff?

I have to say that I hoped that he would not be selected so we had a chance at signing him because I too thought he would be a good option at Center. But Im happy with the player we got and I'd rather have them that Taft, who could've been a waste of a 1st round pick. While he has potential and an NBA body, he will do nothing without the right mindset...
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7/2/2005  4:33 AM
Isaiah said he took Lee over Taft because he was better overall - he's smarter, a ball mover, a winner, has a great motor and better compliment to Frye in that he finishes well inside both with his right and left hands.
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7/2/2005  4:40 AM
I would simply have taken Taft because we didn't need Lee.
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7/2/2005  6:43 AM
Posted by Redsoxrule:

It's official. RoBlackman is stoned.

If you want to talk trash let's take it to another forum and not waste everyone's time and your embarrassment in this one--I am on forum probation here, I'm a convicted sh#t talker and I'd rather not lose my posting privileges. Thank you.

[Edited by - roblackman on 07/02/2005 06:43:48]
And the reply is...a post that makes sense (still waiting)
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7/2/2005  7:35 AM
Posted by roblackman:

I think we'll be capable of 45 wins after Isiah is done dealing this summer.
I agree; after Isiah uses the MLE and the expiring contracts, 45 will look reasonable. 39 or 40 probably already looks reasonable.
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7/2/2005  8:20 AM
Meant you no disrespect, RoBlackman. Just having fun with ya. Sorry about getting your dandruff up....It's all good.
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7/2/2005  10:04 AM
Posted by diderotn:

the reason why Isiah passed on Taft is because he failed the psychological test that he was given miserably. Isiah did his homework on the kid just like he did for Frye...what he found out after questioning Taft's teammates, coaches and friends forced him not to pick this kid...Yes he is talented, but Isiah value guys with high moral standard, and Taft is not that type...

Posted by BRIGGS:

we got 3 good ballplayers, i feel good about that--would i have liked to see some different things, yES, but Im also very glad that we are going in the position we are.
Lee is a good ballplayer--the reason I ask this question is because taft can really play 5, hes a shot blocker and Lee is a small 4, a position we are clogged up in. was his value discounted to much because of youth and perhaps poor development by the PITT staff?

Failed his psychological test?

You could say the same for Kwame- but it seems like we're going to try to get him.
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7/2/2005  10:24 AM
NBA history is replete with failures of great athletic bodies with unlimited potential who never quite got beyonds mediocre. From Jumping Johnny Green, to Bowie, John Wallace. We add Stromile Swift, Brown and possibly Taft to the list. Almost forgot TT-all the physical tools in the world with none in the head.

[Edited by - TheSage on 07/02/2005 10:29:38]
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7/2/2005  10:35 AM
Now wait a minute. Johnny Green wasn't a star, but he had a good career. He played for 14 seasons. His best was 62-63 when he averaged 18.1 ppg and 12.5 rebounds. When was the last time we got that kind of productivity from a big man.

Stromile Swift is a decent player with some upside. He'll give us decent scoring and rebounding with good d and shot blocking. He may not justify his early draft pick, but that's not really our problem.
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7/2/2005  11:41 AM
A little off the current topic, but can David Lee play any minutes at center?


[Edited by - knixkik on 07/02/2005 11:42:02]
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7/2/2005  12:00 PM
Posted by Knixkik:

A little off the current topic, but can David Lee play any minutes at center?


[Edited by - knixkik on 07/02/2005 11:42:02]

question is can he play minutes at PF?
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7/2/2005  12:13 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Knixkik:

A little off the current topic, but can David Lee play any minutes at center?


[Edited by - knixkik on 07/02/2005 11:42:02]

question is can he play minutes at PF?
That's the problem, not enough minute to go around. But if he can become a Chris Andersen type, i see him being able to play some back up minutes at center.
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7/2/2005  12:17 PM
Posted by Knixkik:

A little off the current topic, but can David Lee play any minutes at center?


[Edited by - knixkik on 07/02/2005 11:42:02]
Hes not nearly big enough.
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7/2/2005  12:18 PM
Isiah performed enough due dilligence to select the right player. No one with picks in the 1st round picked Taft, so something had to be going on with him for that to happen.

I like what I've seen from Lee, and believe that he'll make a solid contribution with the PT he gets this coming season.
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7/2/2005  12:21 PM
I was a huge Taft supporter but I think David Lee is the perfect fit for the Knicks offense that Isiah is trying to implore. I think Lee could end up being the ultimate highenergy guy and he could end up winning a rebounding title if he starts one day, which I think is very possible. I think Taft is going to have a good NBA career and I was extremely high on him but I think with the direction the Knicks are going that Lee was the right choice at the right time.
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7/2/2005  6:07 PM
Posted by Ira:

Now wait a minute. Johnny Green wasn't a star, but he had a good career. He played for 14 seasons. His best was 62-63 when he averaged 18.1 ppg and 12.5 rebounds. When was the last time we got that kind of productivity from a big man.

Stromile Swift is a decent player with some upside. He'll give us decent scoring and rebounding with good d and shot blocking. He may not justify his early draft pick, but that's not really our problem.

I loved Jumpin Johnny but for the athlete he was he never got beyond mediocre. Who did that 62-63 have besides Richie Guerin-not a great athlete but a hard nosed great player. Believe me I remmember Green picking coins off the top of the backboard and jumping center against Wilt. Just would not classify him as any more than a mediocre player despite his enormous athletic ability. Stromile Swift was I believe the second pick in that draft-but he never justified being a lottery pick.

[Edited by - TheSage on 07/02/2005 18:08:42]
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7/2/2005  8:32 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by roblackman:

We needed more than athleticism--we needed maturity and leadership--I don't see Taft providing that anytime soon.

Taft is 30 pounds heavier an inch taller with 2 more inches on his wingspan and out-jumped Lee on the vertical by an inch

I agree with you that Lee has the IQ part of the game down, but did we dsicount that Taft was 1 year away of solid devlopment from being a monster?


In terms of measurements

taft 6-10 261 7-2 wingspan 33 inch vertical
Lee 6-9 230 7-0 32.5

thats quite a physical diference. i think taft was hurt by poor coaching his second year, not that he didnt bring some problems on himself, but we are talking pick 30

I can see Lee as a role player Taft on the other hand can be a starter in this league one day.

Briggs,

I appreciate most of your posts but this one seems to methodical for me. We do need athleticism, but throw in some heart, otherwise it only shows up every 5fth day... I think we've had it with that (Not to mention all the other teams that passed on him. Remember, he went from lotter to mid 2nd round). Basketball is not about numbers. Really no sport is. It's about chemistry (and talent, intangeables, etc.). Look at the Yankees, need we say more? Tell me what 2" more of wingspan means when compared to David Lee? Ok, let's do the math... 2" & 50% effort is much much less than -2" and 110% effort. Throw into the mix chemistry. I can't overstate this. The Yankees are again case in point. I have such a good feeling about this team know. I can just see Chuck Daly smiling at the "role" players we have. I quote it because they are not really role players... they are a group of individuals playing as a whole and that will beat a bunch of all stars playing on the same team. No more numbers, it's too one dimensional. 2" in Wingspan when you are talking 84" compared to 82" just don't make sense. Not at all. Throw speed, heart, timing, will... you'll see who the winner is.
Ok, now imagine Nate coming in and getting the crowd going. Playing D to inspire the rest of the team. You can't put a number behind that...OH, poor coaching didn't hurt taft. Don't make excuses for the guy. If he was so poorly coached he could have showed heart at the camps, he showed nothing from what the reports said. That's a number I'll believe. If he suddenly turns into something, that's a chance that I and most of the experts helping these teams to draft are willing to take. "I got this feeling and it's back again" (Beasie Boys)... I'm really looking forward to seeing this TEAM play. Still needs some work though.
With all due respect,
Albert

ps - David Lee was what, the 11th highest rated "athlete" at the combines and first in his group of forwards? Forget that he's white, that is awesome. Don't look a gifthorse in the mouth.
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how many people here wouldve prefered Chris taft over Lee?

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