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7/1/2005  5:02 PM
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I know Isiah watched Kwame school us at the Garden in the low post pretty hard the last game of the season. He was using highly structured post moves with a soft touch and beating KT quite easily.

I would look at it this way, IF he i healthy and that is a number 1 requirement, then you sit down and say will give you this, if you are willing to give us this and we will put it in writing into the contract.
that means being a team player, being a good respectful teammate, a willingness to work hard on his game and lift weights 4 times a week. A willuingness to want to win a willingness to use his physical assets to impose them on others. If he swilling to do these thing and have some of the items written into the contract, and he is 100% helathy, then Id be very willing to do something

remember we are in poor position to get ANY big,

Curry will be fine. What's going on with him cannot be compared to Reggie Lewis. My father has the same problem that Reggie Lewis had. It mainly does it's damage while you are sleeping and it reeks havoc on yoru heart UNLESS you have a sleeping device that keeps everything running smoothly. Lewis was really misdiagnosed. He didn't have to die at all. THat problem has less to do with your heart and more to do with the tissues around your neck cutting off your circulation while you sleep prompting you to stop breathing for sometimes up to an entire minute while you sleep. Your heart must work overtime in these situations and that's how you can have a heart attack...and usually in your sleep. I don't believe that Curry has this problem. I haven't heard any talk of him being in that same boat. But if he is and he's diagnosed, all he has to do is sleep with a humidifyer and he'll be fine. Good as new. And you'll see no effect in his game. As a matter of fact it may help his game because he may have more energy than in the past. Maybe he wasn't lazy after all.

Vin Baker got his ticker fixed and he was suddenly supposed to have energy again- no thanks.

A collegue's wife from work who is a hospital technician supposedly saw curry's records- at least the test. He said she didn't think he would play again.

Sure, she's not a doctor- but how come it took so many experts and time before they came out and said he was fine?

Just the fact it took so long to me says its a big deal.

He might be fine, but didn't we learn anything from McDyess??


I look at it this way, If Curry didnt have a problem--or even a serious potential problem with his heart, the Bulls would sign him. Now their best bet is to look for a desperate team who may look pass this. I just would not get involved. I hope he goes on to live to 100 and play 20 more years in the NBA, but at this point, Im not sure a huge dolar commitment to him is wise. The only way I would do it is for Malik rose, like the Brown situation, I already spent the money
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7/1/2005  5:05 PM
you are a funny man,,,,I would do that trade also, but Ernie is not dumb.....Why would he trade a #1 pick for Rose and Sweetney and turn around and include another 7' with that deal...

Posted by BRIGGS:

I would be willing to do a

Rose Sweetney 2nd round pick

for Kwame and Blatche

The Wizards dont want Kwame back, but they just extended him a QO for 7mm. We HAVE to pay Malik rose what is coming to him--the cash is allocated. Its spent.

IF Kwame is 100% healthy, and he is willing to not only buy into what the Knicks are doing, but pledge to work harder than anyone we have, Im willing to overlook young indiscrepencies for talent and size.

Wash does not want to walk out of Kwame for nothing. But other teasm are going to be atleast reasonably prudent in what they offer.

yes its a risk with Sweetney, but his weight issues are also a risk. The money on balance has been spent, in fact it might endup costing much more to sign Sweet long term in two years with rose. Risk, yes, upside and some bonafies shown-as in some 25 points 13 rbeound games. YES.
I dont know where we are going, but Im willing to do this

A--its a worthy gamble
B--most of the cash has already been alloacted.
c-We put another young guy in the nBDL who still has a lot of upside

we may have to throw in a pick or 2 sec, but at this point I would do it

Its going to COST us anyway you want to look at it to get a big

i think it terms of cost weighed with risk reward this is a nice deal---risky but reasonable.
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7/1/2005  5:22 PM
why, because I think its a fair deal, what amounts to Sweetney and Malik for Kwame and the rights to the 49th pick in this years draft. id be willing to throw them one small extra bone, but not much, and this all is predicated on the helthof brown
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7/1/2005  5:27 PM
If Zeke really wanted Blatche, he could have easily added him with the 30 pick...
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why, because I think its a fair deal, what amounts to Sweetney and Malik for Kwame and the rights to the 49th pick in this years draft. id be willing to throw them one small extra bone, but not much, and this all is predicated on the helthof brown
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7/1/2005  5:39 PM
I'm sure Washington would do the Sweetney and Rose for Kwame trade. I'm not so sure they'd throw in a spare 7 footer just for the heck of it.

The question is: do we do this trade with no Blatche involved? I'd be hesitant to give up Malik, but I guess you have to do it and hope Aguire and Zeke can work the magic with Kwame that they did with J Oneal.

Yeah, I like Lee, but I hope we don't regret passing on Blatche with the 30th pick. I actually fear Blatche coming back to haunt us more than Bynum. How did Blatche fall to 49???
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7/1/2005  5:43 PM
When was the last time a non-foreign player picked at 49 or later turned out to be something special? Never? Odds aren't good.
And the reply is...a post that makes sense (still waiting)
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7/1/2005  5:45 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

I'm sure Washington would do the Sweetney and Rose for Kwame trade. I'm not so sure they'd throw in a spare 7 footer just for the heck of it.

The question is: do we do this trade with no Blatche involved? I'd be hesitant to give up Malik, but I guess you have to do it and hope Aguire and Zeke can work the magic with Kwame that they did with J Oneal.

Yeah, I like Lee, but I hope we don't regret passing on Blatche with the 30th pick. I actually fear Blatche coming back to haunt us more than Bynum. How did Blatche fall to 49???
I have a feeling this could happen fast. The Knicks didn't have to pick up Sweets option yesterday OR hold him out of Summer League.
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7/1/2005  5:46 PM
you are wrong there my friend, Blatche is a star in the making...Washington will use proper measure to develop this young kid...He is long and is still growing...With proper weight training, he will be stronger and more mature..He just needs to stay away from the partying in D.C.....AND WORK MORE IN HIS GAME...IF NOT, HE WILL HAVE THE SAME SUCCESS WITH KWAME...

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When was the last time a non-foreign player picked at 49 or later turned out to be something special? Never? Odds aren't good.
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7/1/2005  5:50 PM
Posted by roblackman:

When was the last time a non-foreign player picked at 49 or later turned out to be something special? Never? Odds aren't good.

they are there, but this draft was extra ordinary. you had multiple guys who were picked in the lottery throughout the year, inclduing the 1 pick Taft and the 3 pick Martynas A go in the 40s.

I think its a fair trade,Blatche is nothing more than a prospect who is headed to the NBDL.The Wizards are a playoff team and adding malik and Sweetney is a BIG upgrade. I dont think they do better than that

For the Knicks, we are racing the clock, we could be shut out easily.
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7/1/2005  5:54 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by roblackman:

When was the last time a non-foreign player picked at 49 or later turned out to be something special? Never? Odds aren't good.

For the Knicks, we are racing the clock, we could be shut out easily.
That's why I think this is going down now. Notice my points about Sweetney's deal and not going to Summer league above.
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7/1/2005  5:55 PM
I'd make this deal no question. Lee will hopefully develop into a nice PF/SF to replace Sweetney. I have my doubts they would include Blatche in the deal. But if not I'd do the deal anyway with some tweaking on salary or picks.
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7/1/2005  7:05 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by roblackman:

When was the last time a non-foreign player picked at 49 or later turned out to be something special? Never? Odds aren't good.

For the Knicks, we are racing the clock, we could be shut out easily.
That's why I think this is going down now. Notice my points about Sweetney's deal and not going to Summer league above.

yeah, I somewhat agree. But I don't think any kind of s&t can happen until July 23rd at the earliest. I don't think holding Sweetney out of Summer League means he's getting traded. I think in someways, it's about raising his value as a trading chip - it says, we think of this guy as a finished product, he doesnt need SL. Also, picking up Sweetney's option year is weird, I don't think it necessarily points to a trade - any team that traded for him could have picked up his option year, but they also could have declined it making Sweets an expiring deal. Picking up his option year actually makes him slightly less desireable in a trade. I almost think that move was made as a message to Sweets not to worry about a trade. Eh, its all semantics -I think Kwame this summer is as likely as Crawford last summer.

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7/1/2005  7:16 PM
What would you do with the MLE, if we landed Kwame or another big through an S and T. I'm not sure when the trade moratorium starts, btw.
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7/1/2005  7:19 PM
maybe rose or jyd along with a 1st in next yrs draft will get it done.
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7/1/2005  7:25 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:

What would you do with the MLE, if we landed Kwame or another big through an S and T. I'm not sure when the trade moratorium starts, btw.

I think the league is in it right now. Nothing can happen between July 1 and July 15, though I've heard this year it will last a week longer because they will be not only counting the money, but ratifying the new collective bargaining agreement. I think there can still be announcements that this guy is signing here and that guy is signing there though...

with the MLE at this rate, with Gadzuric a RFA, I'd either offer it to Stephen Hunter, Chris Andersen or save it to see if a guy like Theo Ratliff gets waived. I would also offer Tim Thomas for Theo Ratliff and then look for a big SF in free agency, maybe a Bobby Simmons, maybe James Posey gets waived. I don't want to be counting on Tim Thomas for anything next season.
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7/1/2005  7:33 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
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What would you do with the MLE, if we landed Kwame or another big through an S and T. I'm not sure when the trade moratorium starts, btw.

I think the league is in it right now. Nothing can happen between July 1 and July 15, though I've heard this year it will last a week longer because they will be not only counting the money, but ratifying the new collective bargaining agreement. I think there can still be announcements that this guy is signing here and that guy is signing there though...

with the MLE at this rate, with Gadzuric a RFA, I'd either offer it to Stephen Hunter, Chris Andersen or save it to see if a guy like Theo Ratliff gets waived. I would also offer Tim Thomas for Theo Ratliff and then look for a big SF in free agency, maybe a Bobby Simmons, maybe James Posey gets waived. I don't want to be counting on Tim Thomas for anything next season.
Cap strapped as we are, we have a chance to get a lot better fast. If Sweetney is traded, I'd use the MLE on Hunter or Andersen, I'm kind of fascinated with the idea of running Andersen and Lee in and out of there at the 4...
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7/1/2005  7:33 PM
oh, according to Chad Ford, Chris Andersen re-signed with New Orleans. Crap. Big guys go fast.

I hope Isiah doesn't waste too much time chasing the wrong guys (guys he can't afford like Curry, Swift and Dalembert). I feel like he will though and he'll end up in the same kind of dance of death for Kwame that he did for Jamal last summer - aka no one else wanted the bastard, everyone knew it, but he and Paxson still had to act like they might walk away at any time. I have a feeling we'll get that same situation this year when all the other bigs get too much money.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 07/01/2005 19:34:11]
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7/1/2005  7:36 PM
still, if Zeke could get Hunter and Kwame, I think that's the most realistic route, and really, possibly the best - that's three guys on the team who are big, long, athletic and near 7 feet. Frye is highly skilled, Kwame is getting there and Hunter is a project who at least plays D hard and can run the floor.

Also according to Chad Ford, Phoenix just gave their MLE to Raja Bell. I think if we offered Hunter the MLE, they would not be able to match.

here's his writeup on Phoenix:
Players they might lose: Steven Hunter, Joe Johnson (R), Jake Voskuhl
Players they might pursue: Samuel Dalembert (R), Vladimir Radmanovic, (R), Raja Bell, Nikoloz Tskitishvili

Current cap position: $45.7 million ($3.8 million under the cap)

Analysis: Priority No. 1 for the Suns is re-signing Joe Johnson. They've already made one drastic move this summer (sending Quentin Richardson and their No. 1 pick to New York for Kurt Thomas), proving that they'll do what they can to keep him. Johnson will likely get big offers elsewhere, but at the end of the day, it looks like the Suns are prepared to match. The Suns also want Hunter back, but won't overspend to get him.

The Suns have other lofty ambitions, including landing a shot-blocker like Dalembert or sweet-shooting small forward like Radmanovic. To get either guy, they'd have to work out a sign-and-trade. It appears that Shawn Marion, once again, will be the trade bait.

As far as their mid-level exception, the Suns agreed to spend most of it on swingman Raja Bell Friday.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 07/01/2005 19:37:35]
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7/1/2005  7:41 PM
We should get Hunter done now. And then worry about thre trade for Kwame or whoever. I agree though they are both good athletes to team with Frye. All can really run.
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7/1/2005  7:47 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:

We should get Hunter done now. And then worry about thre trade for Kwame or whoever. I agree though they are both good athletes to team with Frye. All can really run.

I agree.


The big man pool is already drying up. Randolph Morris was invited to Atlanta's Summer League. He never signed with an agent, so he can still go back to school too. Chris Andersen tore up his old contract which paid him $1.6 million for one year and signed a multi-year deal with New Orleans.

I think we should offer Hunter 4 years, $15 million right now. I don't think Phoenix will match while they're waiting out Joe Johnson. That $15 million is the same exact amount I said to give to Chris Andersen last summer and everyone said it was too much. Well it was for one season, but a year later he just signed a multi-year deal. Big guys go really fast. If we don't make a strong offer to Hunter, someone else will. I hope Zeke realizes that Kwame isn't a defensive pressence at all. Hunter is.
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Ive gone back and forth with this but

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