[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Trade analysis
Author Thread
rvhoss
Posts: 24943
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/2/2004
Member: #777
Switzerland
6/29/2005  3:19 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

now bathe in kool-aid regularly...

all kool aid all the time.
AUTOADVERT
martin
Posts: 76561
Alba Posts: 108
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #2
USA
6/29/2005  3:24 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Ok, now that the KT trade is official lets analyze it. I'm going to include the Nazr trade as well since half of it was completed last night.

Nazr, KT, #54 this year for Q, Robertson, Lee and San Antonio's #1 pick next year.

Can we include the #8 pick since we are talking KT and Nazr and the PF/C replacement?
Q's game is similar to Crawford's which isn't a good thing. He's a chucker who doesn't play much defense. Assuming he starts, what was the point of signing Crawford to a $55m deal? Q also has an uninsurable bad back. That has to be a concern for a franchise that has had trouble keeping their players on the court.

Q and Craw's games are entirely different. Q had to change his game going from LAC to PHO. He is a BIG guard who sometimes can play SF. He posts up. He rebounds. In phoenix you have a PF/C who posts while the rest of the team spreads the floor to give Amare and Nash room to operate. Craw is a dribbler/slasher who chucks the ball too much. I can't say much about Q's D, but if you didn't know the difference between Q and Craw's game, I am guessing you don't have too much background to comment on his D either.

Q's back is uninsured, which is a bad thing... it is. But it wasn't bad enough for Phoenix to sign him. I think there is a difference between Penny/Houston not being on the court and Q being a risk at his age, and other than Penny/Houston (and Gazy), did the Knicks have people hurt? I can't remember. But those guys are gone anyway.

I truely believe that Isiah really wanted Craw at PG and HAD (was forced) to trade for Marbury to put people in the seats. But, Marbury is talent and can be traded again.
Robertson and Lee were 2nd rd talents taken in the first round. They might make nice role players at some point but where do they fit on this team? Marbury plays 40 min a night and then Crawford is supposed to be a combo guard coming off the bench. At best, the ridiculously undersized Robertson is going to be an energetic pest coming in for 3-5 minutes a game. Lee is behind about 10 PF's but at best you're looking at a Mark Madsen type.

The Knicks want to cut Marbury's minutes, we all know that. That's where Nate comes in. And Lee as a Madsen type? Please, you show that you have done zero homework. The dude has soft hands, good passing ability, post-up ability. His FT shooting is better than average, which means his range can probably improve.

Does anyone know if Lee can play SF?

San Antonio's #1 next year will most likely be one of the last 5 picks of the first round. There's no great value in that.

Have you noticed what SA has done with their late pick for the last 4-5 years? Parker, Manu, other Manu teammate coming over.
For all that we gave up our starting C and PF. Not that they were anything great but they were servicable and had value around the league. And the worst thing of all is that it hasn't upgraded our talent level to the point where you can see us being a contender any time soon. When it comes down to it, we're still undersized and we have as many question marks as we did before.

The team does have a lot of question marks, but they did get a LOT younger and more athletic. I would submit that KT/Nazr MAY have gotten better at the trade deadline, but maybe NOT.
Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
rvhoss
Posts: 24943
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/2/2004
Member: #777
Switzerland
6/29/2005  3:26 PM
Frye > Kurt
Q > H20
Rose > Nazr

It's been said time and time again, but if you liked a three guard lineup of Marbs/H20/Craw, then you should love Mars/Q/Craw

Front court?

Which do you prefer:
Kurt/Nazr
Rose/Frye

I believe we call that, Point counter Point.

Hold on one sec...gurggle gurggle gurggle...ahhhh...after that big swig of Kool aid, I'm saying we are contenders NOW!






[Edited by - rvhoss on 06/29/2005 15:27:47]
all kool aid all the time.
Caseloads
Posts: 27725
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/29/2001
Member: #41
6/29/2005  3:44 PM
Posted by islesfan:

You're absolutely right. I forgot about including him. We got Rose and his overpriced and untradeable contract. So these trades also prohibits us from ever having any type of financial flexibility.

And as an aside, waiving Houston will only hurt since it doesn't come off the cap and we'll be losing his $20+m expiring contract in another year but hey, Dolan will save a lot of money on his car insurance.
son, dont you realize that Dolan only saves dough on his car insurance IF he switches to geico?
Knicksfan
Posts: 33483
Alba Posts: 27
Joined: 7/5/2004
Member: #691
USA
6/29/2005  3:46 PM
Isles, you haven't answered my question:

I would like to know: What NBA team are you fan of?
Knicks_Fan
Caseloads
Posts: 27725
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/29/2001
Member: #41
6/29/2005  3:46 PM
Posted by MattSuspect:
Posted by islesfan:

Ok, now that the KT trade is official lets analyze it. I'm going to include the Nazr trade as well since half of it was completed last night.

Nazr, KT, #54 this year for Q, Robertson, Lee and San Antonio's #1 pick next year.

Q's game is similar to Crawford's which isn't a good thing. He's a chucker who doesn't play much defense. Assuming he starts, what was the point of signing Crawford to a $55m deal? Q also has an uninsurable bad back. That has to be a concern for a franchise that has had trouble keeping their players on the court.

Robertson and Lee were 2nd rd talents taken in the first round. They might make nice role players at some point but where do they fit on this team? Marbury plays 40 min a night and then Crawford is supposed to be a combo guard coming off the bench. At best, the ridiculously undersized Robertson is going to be an energetic pest coming in for 3-5 minutes a game. Lee is behind about 10 PF's but at best you're looking at a Mark Madsen type.

San Antonio's #1 next year will most likely be one of the last 5 picks of the first round. There's no great value in that.

For all that we gave up our starting C and PF. Not that they were anything great but they were servicable and had value around the league. And the worst thing of all is that it hasn't upgraded our talent level to the point where you can see us being a contender any time soon. When it comes down to it, we're still undersized and we have as many question marks as we did before.


I've been lurking for two years. I never feel the need to comment.

You're bias against all things Zeke is absolutely absurd. You included the Nazr trade to make this KT trade look worse then it is.

(I think the trade is a toss up)

Please stop pretending like you know more then everyone else. You'll be a happier person for it.

Best,
Matt
dont you realize that you too can save money on your car insurance by switching to geico?
Caseloads
Posts: 27725
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/29/2001
Member: #41
6/29/2005  3:55 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

Ok, now that the KT trade is official lets analyze it. I'm going to include the Nazr trade as well since half of it was completed last night.

Nazr, KT, #54 this year for Q, Robertson, Lee and San Antonio's #1 pick next year.

Can we include the #8 pick since we are talking KT and Nazr and the PF/C replacement?
Q's game is similar to Crawford's which isn't a good thing. He's a chucker who doesn't play much defense. Assuming he starts, what was the point of signing Crawford to a $55m deal? Q also has an uninsurable bad back. That has to be a concern for a franchise that has had trouble keeping their players on the court.

Q and Craw's games are entirely different. Q had to change his game going from LAC to PHO. He is a BIG guard who sometimes can play SF. He posts up. He rebounds. In phoenix you have a PF/C who posts while the rest of the team spreads the floor to give Amare and Nash room to operate. Craw is a dribbler/slasher who chucks the ball too much. I can't say much about Q's D, but if you didn't know the difference between Q and Craw's game, I am guessing you don't have too much background to comment on his D either.

Q's back is uninsured, which is a bad thing... it is. But it wasn't bad enough for Phoenix to sign him. I think there is a difference between Penny/Houston not being on the court and Q being a risk at his age, and other than Penny/Houston (and Gazy), did the Knicks have people hurt? I can't remember. But those guys are gone anyway.

I truely believe that Isiah really wanted Craw at PG and HAD (was forced) to trade for Marbury to put people in the seats. But, Marbury is talent and can be traded again.
Robertson and Lee were 2nd rd talents taken in the first round. They might make nice role players at some point but where do they fit on this team? Marbury plays 40 min a night and then Crawford is supposed to be a combo guard coming off the bench. At best, the ridiculously undersized Robertson is going to be an energetic pest coming in for 3-5 minutes a game. Lee is behind about 10 PF's but at best you're looking at a Mark Madsen type.

The Knicks want to cut Marbury's minutes, we all know that. That's where Nate comes in. And Lee as a Madsen type? Please, you show that you have done zero homework. The dude has soft hands, good passing ability, post-up ability. His FT shooting is better than average, which means his range can probably improve.

Does anyone know if Lee can play SF?

San Antonio's #1 next year will most likely be one of the last 5 picks of the first round. There's no great value in that.

Have you noticed what SA has done with their late pick for the last 4-5 years? Parker, Manu, other Manu teammate coming over.
For all that we gave up our starting C and PF. Not that they were anything great but they were servicable and had value around the league. And the worst thing of all is that it hasn't upgraded our talent level to the point where you can see us being a contender any time soon. When it comes down to it, we're still undersized and we have as many question marks as we did before.

The team does have a lot of question marks, but they did get a LOT younger and more athletic. I would submit that KT/Nazr MAY have gotten better at the trade deadline, but maybe NOT.
Lee said he wants to transition to the 3 in some online interview I read
TheloniusMonk
Posts: 21470
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/15/2004
Member: #705
USA
6/29/2005  4:29 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Masterplan:

for the record, islesfan, as much as you criticize for us letting go our starting frontcourt, i bet you had nothing good to say about nazr and kurt when they were playing side by side in the beginning of the season.
Its so true. Isles... you should man up on this one. When Isiah gave KT a contract extension it was a joke to give a slow foul prone PF masquerading as a center a 4 year extension. I believe you called Kurt an "integral part of several 30 win teams." To boot you constantly referred to Nazr as the "key to the deal" and ripped him every chance you got. Now they have been traded for younger more athletic guys and your gushing about how valuable these guys were and what they brought every night.

LOL... your fulla crap

LMAO

That is so true. Then if we packaged Q, Nat, Frye or Lee this offseason for whatever reason, he'd be like 'How can you trade you BEST BIG MAN or the NBA's leading 3 point shooter or the peskiest pointguard in the L or an up and coming stud for............??? Isiah's an idiot! How can you trade the knicks' best players???? lol
'You can catch me in Hollis at the hero shop!' -Tony Yayo
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
6/29/2005  5:23 PM
Including Nazy and Malik in the equation is an oversimplication. We have to take into account that we got Nazy and Tim Thomas by trading Doleac and Van Horn. But it's still not that simple. We actually got Van Horn by trading Sprewell, whom we got by trading John Starks. So, last night Isiah actually traded

John Starks, Latrell Sprewell, Nazy Muhommed, Keith Van Horn, Michael Doleac, and Kurt Thomas for Malik Rose, Tim Thomas, Quentin Richardson and Nate Robinson.

He obviously gave up way too much. He gave up far more players than he got back. Some of the players that he gave up were ones he never even had! In addition, the salaries don't even match under the new CBA, which leads me to believe that the trade never really did happen!

Or maybe we can just view this as Isiah trading Kurt + #54 for Q-Rich and Nate Robinson???

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/29/2005 17:23:52]
Pharzeone
Posts: 32183
Alba Posts: 14
Joined: 2/11/2005
Member: #871
6/29/2005  7:02 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Including Nazy and Malik in the equation is an oversimplication. We have to take into account that we got Nazy and Tim Thomas by trading Doleac and Van Horn. But it's still not that simple. We actually got Van Horn by trading Sprewell, whom we got by trading John Starks. So, last night Isiah actually traded

John Starks, Latrell Sprewell, Nazy Muhommed, Keith Van Horn, Michael Doleac, and Kurt Thomas for Malik Rose, Tim Thomas, Quentin Richardson and Nate Robinson.

He obviously gave up way too much. He gave up far more players than he got back. Some of the players that he gave up were ones he never even had! In addition, the salaries don't even match under the new CBA, which leads me to believe that the trade never really did happen!

Or maybe we can just view this as Isiah trading Kurt + #54 for Q-Rich and Nate Robinson???

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/29/2005 17:23:52]
ROFLMAO You think too much.
I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
TheloniusMonk
Posts: 21470
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/15/2004
Member: #705
USA
6/29/2005  8:25 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Including Nazy and Malik in the equation is an oversimplication. We have to take into account that we got Nazy and Tim Thomas by trading Doleac and Van Horn. But it's still not that simple. We actually got Van Horn by trading Sprewell, whom we got by trading John Starks. So, last night Isiah actually traded

John Starks, Latrell Sprewell, Nazy Muhommed, Keith Van Horn, Michael Doleac, and Kurt Thomas for Malik Rose, Tim Thomas, Quentin Richardson and Nate Robinson.

He obviously gave up way too much. He gave up far more players than he got back. Some of the players that he gave up were ones he never even had! In addition, the salaries don't even match under the new CBA, which leads me to believe that the trade never really did happen!

Or maybe we can just view this as Isiah trading Kurt + #54 for Q-Rich and Nate Robinson???

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/29/2005 17:23:52]

Erick Strictland for Othella Harrington has got to fit in there somewhere.
'You can catch me in Hollis at the hero shop!' -Tony Yayo
joec32033
Posts: 30615
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 2/3/2004
Member: #583
USA
6/29/2005  8:35 PM
My take is this is a trade you have to make on alot of levels.

First, KT is not winning us games, he is an important role player that is replaceable....
Second, KT is a 32 year old PF on a team in transition...
Third we have 4 other replacements on the roster right now, not counting draft picks.

Q is exactly the type of guard I like (LA Version). He is strong as an ox, and athletic and can shoot. And we got a great backup PG in Robinson.

I honestly don't know how you can not do this trade in the Knicks situation..

BTW, I LOVE the way Zeke got PHX to throw in that #21...pure genious...he belongs running a 3 card Monty table on a street corner somewhere in Manhatten.
~You can't run from who you are.~
SKY
Posts: 20356
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 6/30/2004
Member: #687
USA
6/29/2005  9:31 PM
First, who the fu*k is robertson??? if you are going to scream from the mountain top, at least have the name correct. it makes you look like you don't know much about nate to begin with.

When you ANALYZE something like a TRADE, I think you need to look hard at the background, not just the result (though what we are seeing is not the final product). KT and Nazr were good players in a wrong team. How were we playing when they were both starting? Horribly. This team has Marbury as the centerpiece and Isiah believes that he needs to replace players like KT/Nazr with more athletic players. This series of trades and the draft is part of a process Isiah is putting in place. You can look at the trees but if you don't keep an eye on the entire forest, you get lost. I think Isiah has finally committed to seriously improving the entire "forest" (or maybe he was from the beginning but I doubt it).

  • I think that this whole series of trades & the draft has made us more athletic, younger, taller (except for the Taylor trade which still is a head scratcher). It added hungry, talented, young players who are cheap.

  • It added more asset for Isiah to improve the team.

  • We'll still struggle for a while, but at least we seem to be heading in a right direction with a certain style of play.

  • We'll see who Isiah hires as the coach. Hopefully it will be Brown, Nate, or Laimbeer.


I would have given Isiah an A, had he selected Bynum (or Green)/Robinson/Lee. I'm not a big fan of Q-Rich but he is young and if he can go back to his form from the LA days, I will be content (Brandy is kinda sexy too). And we did add an awesome player in Nate. Lee, also, is a fantastic athlete and a hard worker. Damn, what's not to like?
eViL
Posts: 25412
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 1/21/2004
Member: #561
USA
6/29/2005  9:37 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Including Nazy and Malik in the equation is an oversimplication. We have to take into account that we got Nazy and Tim Thomas by trading Doleac and Van Horn. But it's still not that simple. We actually got Van Horn by trading Sprewell, whom we got by trading John Starks. So, last night Isiah actually traded

John Starks, Latrell Sprewell, Nazy Muhommed, Keith Van Horn, Michael Doleac, and Kurt Thomas for Malik Rose, Tim Thomas, Quentin Richardson and Nate Robinson.

He obviously gave up way too much. He gave up far more players than he got back. Some of the players that he gave up were ones he never even had! In addition, the salaries don't even match under the new CBA, which leads me to believe that the trade never really did happen!

Or maybe we can just view this as Isiah trading Kurt + #54 for Q-Rich and Nate Robinson???

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/29/2005 17:23:52]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
check out my latest hip hop project: https://soundcloud.com/michaelcro http://youtu.be/scNXshrpyZo
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
6/29/2005  9:37 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Including Nazy and Malik in the equation is an oversimplication. We have to take into account that we got Nazy and Tim Thomas by trading Doleac and Van Horn. But it's still not that simple. We actually got Van Horn by trading Sprewell, whom we got by trading John Starks. So, last night Isiah actually traded

John Starks, Latrell Sprewell, Nazy Muhommed, Keith Van Horn, Michael Doleac, and Kurt Thomas for Malik Rose, Tim Thomas, Quentin Richardson and Nate Robinson.

He obviously gave up way too much. He gave up far more players than he got back. Some of the players that he gave up were ones he never even had! In addition, the salaries don't even match under the new CBA, which leads me to believe that the trade never really did happen!

Or maybe we can just view this as Isiah trading Kurt + #54 for Q-Rich and Nate Robinson???

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/29/2005 17:23:52]

This from the person who constantly adds things to the equation to make things seem better than they actually are regardless of the logic. Kinda like when you constantly lumped the Nazr trade with the Mo Taylor trade. Or like just last night when you graded the Knicks draft and said that they added 4 players when they only had 3 picks. So what pick did they get Q at in your world? I guess Isiah put it that way so it's ok if you follow his lead.

Anyway, how many posts were made on this site analyzing the Nazr trade for Rose and 2 #1 picks? Last night one of those picks were executed so you'd think that it would be a good idea to follow up on that analysis. In fact, last night affected 2 trades with executed draft picks so I logically decided to grade them together to save time. But when people objected I graciously split them up and analyzed them separately. Apparently my acquiescing isn't enough for some people. That's ok, simple logic and understanding the difference between "official" and "unofficial" just escapes some people.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
eViL
Posts: 25412
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 1/21/2004
Member: #561
USA
6/29/2005  9:46 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Including Nazy and Malik in the equation is an oversimplication. We have to take into account that we got Nazy and Tim Thomas by trading Doleac and Van Horn. But it's still not that simple. We actually got Van Horn by trading Sprewell, whom we got by trading John Starks. So, last night Isiah actually traded

John Starks, Latrell Sprewell, Nazy Muhommed, Keith Van Horn, Michael Doleac, and Kurt Thomas for Malik Rose, Tim Thomas, Quentin Richardson and Nate Robinson.

He obviously gave up way too much. He gave up far more players than he got back. Some of the players that he gave up were ones he never even had! In addition, the salaries don't even match under the new CBA, which leads me to believe that the trade never really did happen!

Or maybe we can just view this as Isiah trading Kurt + #54 for Q-Rich and Nate Robinson???

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/29/2005 17:23:52]

This from the person who constantly adds things to the equation to make things seem better than they actually are regardless of the logic. Kinda like when you constantly lumped the Nazr trade with the Mo Taylor trade. Or like just last night when you graded the Knicks draft and said that they added 4 players when they only had 3 picks. So what pick did they get Q at in your world? I guess Isiah put it that way so it's ok if you follow his lead.

Anyway, how many posts were made on this site analyzing the Nazr trade for Rose and 2 #1 picks? Last night one of those picks were executed so you'd think that it would be a good idea to follow up on that analysis. In fact, last night affected 2 trades with executed draft picks so I logically decided to grade them together to save time. But when people objected I graciously split them up and analyzed them separately. Apparently my acquiescing isn't enough for some people. That's ok, simple logic and understanding the difference between "official" and "unofficial" just escapes some people.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

If Bonn is "Bonn3P0 ~ the snitty gay robot" then you are definitely "Isles2D2 ~ the catty queer sidekick".
check out my latest hip hop project: https://soundcloud.com/michaelcro http://youtu.be/scNXshrpyZo
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
6/29/2005  10:05 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Masterplan:

for the record, islesfan, as much as you criticize for us letting go our starting frontcourt, i bet you had nothing good to say about nazr and kurt when they were playing side by side in the beginning of the season.
Its so true. Isles... you should man up on this one. When Isiah gave KT a contract extension it was a joke to give a slow foul prone PF masquerading as a center a 4 year extension. I believe you called Kurt an "integral part of several 30 win teams." To boot you constantly referred to Nazr as the "key to the deal" and ripped him every chance you got. Now they have been traded for younger more athletic guys and your gushing about how valuable these guys were and what they brought every night.

LOL... your fulla crap

Fish, I always man up.

As for KT as a player, I never had a bad thing to say about him. He plays within himself, he works hard and he always gives 100%. He's not the best player but nobody ever claimed that he was. I thought he always had value but signing him to a long extension would only make it harder to trade him. The only way to trade him at that point would be to take on a player with a longer contract. And since my plan on how to rebuild the Knicks was always about getting under the cap and gain some kind of financial flexibility, that kind of move would obviously run counter to it. But that's exactly what happened. We got a SG with an even longer contract that is just as poor a shooter and is as poor a defender as the imcumbent and we lose size and interior defense in addition.

As for Nazr, I did constantly call him the "Key to the Deal". But that was more a mocking of Isiah than Nazr. Nazr is who he is. He's an adequate starting center who's a good rebounder but whose offensive game is limited to garbage points around the basket. Obviously he was good enough to start on the Spurs and while he wasn't a huge reason why they won the championship, he was an important part, especially when Duncan and Nesterovic went down towards the end of the year. As for the trade, Rose is bench player at best at this point of his career and the first pick of the 2 is a player that most mock drafts had going in the second round. It remains to be seen what he becomes but he got drafted that low for a reason. As of now we still traded our starting center for a bench player and a project with another low #1 pick to come.

Its all relative, while Nazr and KT may not be great players they are still legitimate NBA starters. And what the Knicks have received, so far, for those players don't add up to the value of 2 NBA front line starters. If Nate and Lee develop more than what can legitimately be expected then the trades could favor the Knicks but that hasn't happened yet.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
eViL
Posts: 25412
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 1/21/2004
Member: #561
USA
6/29/2005  10:11 PM
And then, in his lispy voice, Isles2D2 says:

Fish, I always man up.


[Edited by - eViL on 06/29/2005 22:36:46]
check out my latest hip hop project: https://soundcloud.com/michaelcro http://youtu.be/scNXshrpyZo
NineMike2Whiskey
Posts: 20381
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 8/10/2004
Member: #732
6/29/2005  10:22 PM
Isle you still dont address the fact that Lee might be a steal after impressing at Chicago and fully deserved his rise in stock, Mark Madsen ?? give me a break and it's Robinson not Robertson and many mocks had him late in the first round.

Why are you bashing 2 picks you know so little about. As for Q-Rich, jury's still out on him but i like this trade much better than JC's one considering that he has a post up game and snags 6 boards a game.

Overall this moves earn Isiah a flat B for me, we got more versatile more athletic and younger. There's nothing to jump up and down about but nothing to get down on.

[Edited by - NineMike2Whiskey on 06/29/2005 22:24:57]
Trade analysis

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy