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I just want to say for all u joes who doubted me--watch the run for Bynum in this draft
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6/27/2005  2:01 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Just seems like it was only two weeks ago Jim Calhoun was saying he is not ready for the nba, and now he is top 6? Wow!

Briggy gets props for seeing the hype first, but how are the Knicks negligent here?

obvisiouly he's most likely not ready for the nba next year at only 18. He still has to make the transition from playing against High School players to playing against nba bigs. Which means he's going to need to bulk up and he's got the frame to become a psychical specimen, he needs to learn defensive positioning, footwork & conditioning.
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6/27/2005  2:03 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Just seems like it was only two weeks ago Jim Calhoun was saying he is not ready for the nba, and now he is top 6? Wow!

Briggy gets props for seeing the hype first, but how are the Knicks negligent here?

Because he is local. we couldve had set up secret workouts with him BEFORE his public workout and then kept him under wraps with a promise-- If all these other teams see the talent--if I SAW the talent--the KNICKS better have seen the talent or they have the wrong guys working there.i mean he had that workout 10 minutes from the garden--we do need a C, but we are/were infatuated with frye--giving him a promise before we did full due dilligence, and now we get nEITHER

isiah was trying to be a snake with frye, and he bit himself in the arse.
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6/27/2005  2:05 PM
dude, theres still a good chance one of bynum or frye is going to be there:

The key is that we need one of Granger or Webster to be taken before out pick.

If so: Bogut, Deron, Marvin, Paul, Green, Frye, Granger...KNICKS can get Bynum
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6/27/2005  2:09 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

we are now completely out of range> he moved right ahead of Frye and now is not likely to get past 5 and COULD be had at THREE.

I knew it, I knew it before these idiot Knicks, they shouldve moved on him ONE day after his public workout--the sCOUTs who were there should be FIRED

i tried to tell you he is much better than is purported

GREAT!!! Then Isiah's plan has completely happened!!!!!!!

He made everyone take a look at Frye because he was high on him, making him a lottery selection. Then he realizes that its time to take step two on his plan and let everyone know how much he loves Bynum. The papers make it public and lottery teams start thinking about picking him, same as Frye. What happens next? On draft night, both are selected higher than NY, MAKING GREEN OR GRANGER AVALIABLE! GENIOUS ISIAH!!!!! You are the best!!!

Haha!!!! So what if he is top 5. Great for the team that picks him! We will have a great player too, maybe with more chances of becoming a superstar. The draft is tomorrow! Nothing is a given and if teams are so dumb to pass on guys like Paul, D. Williams and Green, let them be...
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6/27/2005  2:09 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Nalod:

Just seems like it was only two weeks ago Jim Calhoun was saying he is not ready for the nba, and now he is top 6? Wow!

Briggy gets props for seeing the hype first, but how are the Knicks negligent here?

Because he is local. we couldve had set up secret workouts with him BEFORE his public workout and then kept him under wraps with a promise-- If all these other teams see the talent--if I SAW the talent--the KNICKS better have seen the talent or they have the wrong guys working there.i mean he had that workout 10 minutes from the garden--we do need a C, but we are/were infatuated with frye--giving him a promise before we did full due dilligence, and now we get nEITHER

isiah was trying to be a snake with frye, and he bit himself in the arse.
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Presumption is He would not try to work his stock higher! Thats just not real! If frye does go before us then props to Isiah for trying to nab him. Or at least see the value there.
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6/27/2005  2:11 PM
I'm not talent scout or evaluator of talent but I do know what it takes to build a successful winning team. That is why from day one I've been harping about drafting the best player available at 8, which I was 100% sure Isiah would do anyway since thats what he does, thats the reason he hasn't drafted a bust yet. Thats why Bynum, Green & Granger have been my guys from day 1. Not low ceiling guys like Frye & May as high as 8 with so much talent on the board!

I've made the mistake of being naive about the draft and only looking at guys over 7ft before. You have to realize the importance of building one step at a time. If that means drafting someone under 7ft who could become a star then great! You can sign or trade or draft a better Center in the future! When you have a legitimatw shot at a Center who would be a top 3 pick had spent some time developing in the nation's top college basketball program you take him and consider yourself lucky by landing a potential franchise 18yr old bigman in a very unconventional way!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/27/2005 14:19:20]
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6/27/2005  2:13 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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It's been a series of bungle jobs by this organization, Briggs. Starting with playing our regulars down the stretch to being near-sighted in this situation. If he somehow falls to us at 8 and we don't grab him, I'll be disgusted.

Its already a done deal, he has 0 chance to get to 8. Maybe that sends French frye down to us. Im just saying what I said all along, they didnt do their jobs.

I love how you say we have no chance at him at 8 when even Bogut hasn't been picked yet. Briggs, chill out! You act like if you could've done something. Maybe you could! Man Briggs, this is all your fault for not calling Isiah to tell him about Bynum! Had he read one of your post, he would've traded Marbury, Ariza, Sweets, #8 and three 1st rounders for pick #1 to take Bynum! Geez!!!!!
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6/27/2005  2:15 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Nalod:

Just seems like it was only two weeks ago Jim Calhoun was saying he is not ready for the nba, and now he is top 6? Wow!

Briggy gets props for seeing the hype first, but how are the Knicks negligent here?

Because he is local. we couldve had set up secret workouts with him BEFORE his public workout and then kept him under wraps with a promise-- If all these other teams see the talent--if I SAW the talent--the KNICKS better have seen the talent or they have the wrong guys working there.i mean he had that workout 10 minutes from the garden--we do need a C, but we are/were infatuated with frye--giving him a promise before we did full due dilligence, and now we get nEITHER

isiah was trying to be a snake with frye, and he bit himself in the arse.
l

how do you know Isiah wasnt secretly following him around the NJ/NY area all year knowing that there's always a chance a talented guy like him would enter the draft. Isiah is slick enough to do that and know better than to leak it to the press. Instead he leads the press and GMs into thinking he'll take Frye instead of putting Bynum on the map bigtime.

nyk4ever brought up a great point...Isiah doesn't need to workout bynum like other teams do when he's playing in his own backyard.
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6/27/2005  2:18 PM
If Bynum turns out to be as good as advertised by BRIGGS, then BRIGGS has every right to shove it in people's faces. I haven't seen anyone so high on Bynum other than BRIGGS, so he deserves to take credit if Bynum indeed turns into a very good player. With that said, the draft is tomorrow. Lets not crucify anyone until we find out what happens

Even if Bynum gets drafted at 6 tomorrow or at any spot before us, we won't know how good of a player he is or can become until we see him in NBA action. So lets stay patient. We have waited all of this time and we only have one day left.
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6/27/2005  2:22 PM
you tell em, Briggs. HAHA
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6/27/2005  2:23 PM
Briggs & nyk4ever definitely put Bynum on the map for me so I'm sure every one who's been a Bynum guy from day 1 will be here making sure some people eat crow!
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6/27/2005  2:24 PM
Posted by s3231:

If Bynum turns out to be as good as advertised by BRIGGS, then BRIGGS has every right to shove it in people's faces. I haven't seen anyone so high on Bynum other than BRIGGS, so he deserves to take credit if Bynum indeed turns into a very good player. With that said, the draft is tomorrow. Lets not crucify anyone until we find out what happens

Even if Bynum gets drafted at 6 tomorrow or at any spot before us, we won't know how good of a player he is or can become until we see him in NBA action. So lets stay patient. We have waited all of this time and we only have one day left.

Are you crazy??? Briggs is the only one on this board who is high on Bynum. There are at least 10 Bynum supporters who post here hour on the hour. Then there are Frye fans too. The only difference is Briggs is a maniac. That's the only difference. He of course, by this time next year (if Bynum really is good) will say that he alone saw the potential in Bynum. I'm sorry, he and Portland saw it. Then of course like one of Brigg's children you will agree.
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6/27/2005  2:26 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Nalod:

Just seems like it was only two weeks ago Jim Calhoun was saying he is not ready for the nba, and now he is top 6? Wow!

Briggy gets props for seeing the hype first, but how are the Knicks negligent here?

obvisiouly he's most likely not ready for the nba next year at only 18. He still has to make the transition from playing against High School players to playing against nba bigs. Which means he's going to need to bulk up and he's got the frame to become a psychical specimen, he needs to learn defensive positioning, footwork & conditioning.

bulk up, for what? hes 275 pounds and he is quite muscular and much more athletic than what was purported. How ould KT stop him from a post up, he outweighs him by 40 pounds hes 3-4 inches bigger+growing with a 92 1/2 inch wingspan. This kid is a monster up close, HUGE enomous kid
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6/27/2005  2:28 PM
I like how excited Briggs is about Bynum (though sometimes is just too much). But to say "there is 0 percent of getting him now" when the draft is tomorrow, "Isiah bit himself in the arse" (you have DEEP insight), and all that stuff is annoying. People haven't changed their mocks yet to make you think Bynum is that high. And if he does, well, what can we do? What's the point of regretting the past when you can do nothing about that? And don't tell me you were there with Isiah every time to know how much he scouted Bynum. No one was, with the exception of dj maybe. The point is, lets first watch the draft. If he gets picked higher than us, so be it...
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6/27/2005  2:30 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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Posted by Nalod:

Just seems like it was only two weeks ago Jim Calhoun was saying he is not ready for the nba, and now he is top 6? Wow!

Briggy gets props for seeing the hype first, but how are the Knicks negligent here?

obvisiouly he's most likely not ready for the nba next year at only 18. He still has to make the transition from playing against High School players to playing against nba bigs. Which means he's going to need to bulk up and he's got the frame to become a psychical specimen, he needs to learn defensive positioning, footwork & conditioning.

bulk up, for what? hes 275 pounds and he is quite muscular and much more athletic than what was purported. How ould KT stop him from a post up, he outweighs him by 40 pounds hes 3-4 inches bigger+growing with a 92 1/2 inch wingspan. This kid is a monster up close, HUGE enomous kid

bulk up by turning that 17yr old baby fat into lean muscle. I realize he's only 17 and his body isn't going to be the same 4yrs from now. No 17yr old's body has completely developed
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6/27/2005  2:30 PM
He's 285...how could KT stop him???? He must be unstoppable. Wow. Maybe he becomes sort a hybrid between Brendan Haywood & Elden Campbell.

Ooops....my sarcasm button was on.
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6/27/2005  2:32 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Nalod:

Just seems like it was only two weeks ago Jim Calhoun was saying he is not ready for the nba, and now he is top 6? Wow!

Briggy gets props for seeing the hype first, but how are the Knicks negligent here?

Because he is local. we couldve had set up secret workouts with him BEFORE his public workout and then kept him under wraps with a promise-- If all these other teams see the talent--if I SAW the talent--the KNICKS better have seen the talent or they have the wrong guys working there.i mean he had that workout 10 minutes from the garden--we do need a C, but we are/were infatuated with frye--giving him a promise before we did full due dilligence, and now we get nEITHER

isiah was trying to be a snake with frye, and he bit himself in the arse.
l
Great so now you are suggesting that the Knicks tamper with a HS kid that didn't even declare yet. So not only do they lose this year's pick but could possibly lose alot more, especially after Stern warned scouts he don't ever want to see them in a HS gym again. Great Briggs, that's real smart. Plus isn't this around the sametime you wanted the Knicks to trade their first round pick for Kwame Brown.
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6/27/2005  2:34 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Nalod:

Just seems like it was only two weeks ago Jim Calhoun was saying he is not ready for the nba, and now he is top 6? Wow!

Briggy gets props for seeing the hype first, but how are the Knicks negligent here?

obvisiouly he's most likely not ready for the nba next year at only 18. He still has to make the transition from playing against High School players to playing against nba bigs. Which means he's going to need to bulk up and he's got the frame to become a psychical specimen, he needs to learn defensive positioning, footwork & conditioning.

bulk up, for what? hes 275 pounds and he is quite muscular and much more athletic than what was purported. How ould KT stop him from a post up, he outweighs him by 40 pounds hes 3-4 inches bigger+growing with a 92 1/2 inch wingspan. This kid is a monster up close, HUGE enomous kid

Come on, Briggs! Later you will tell me that not even Shaq will stop him? I can understand that later when he has developed, he will be that good. But now? KT used to play at C for us and he had to deal with Shaq every time and he did a very nice job on him. Heck, even Rose did a nice job against him for the Spurs. Yet because Bynum is 275 and 7-1, he will dominate established NBA players that know how to play defense?
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6/27/2005  2:36 PM
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I like how excited Briggs is about Bynum (though sometimes is just too much). But to say "there is 0 percent of getting him now" when the draft is tomorrow, "Isiah bit himself in the arse" (you have DEEP insight), and all that stuff is annoying. People haven't changed their mocks yet to make you think Bynum is that high. And if he does, well, what can we do? What's the point of regretting the past when you can do nothing about that? And don't tell me you were there with Isiah every time to know how much he scouted Bynum. No one was, with the exception of dj maybe. The point is, lets first watch the draft. If he gets picked higher than us, so be it...

I said the other day that I'd rather just have Portland, New Orleans or Toronto take Bynum then have him be there for us at 8 and we draft Frye instead. If one of those teams draft Bynum then what the hell can we do about it! What can we do about Milwaukee drafting Bogut!

The Knicks could have done the sane thing and play the young players like Bulter and Ariza at the end of the season and get beat out Milwaukee for the 6th worst record and land Bogut! Instead they inexplicably did everything they could do to win meaningless games against playoff teams 3rd string players! we had to play Marbury for 50mins per game on bad knees!
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6/27/2005  2:36 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Great so now you are suggesting that the Knicks tamper with a HS kid that didn't even declare yet. So not only do they lose this year's pick but could possibly lose alot more, especially after Stern warned scouts he don't ever want to see them in a HS gym again. Great Briggs, that's real smart. Plus isn't this around the sametime you wanted the Knicks to trade their first round pick for Kwame Brown.

Good points...
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