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roblackman
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6/27/2005  12:05 PM
We would have had to pay the luxury tax only if we cut him under the former CBA...it's past history, we are getting no new funds if we cut him.
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daddynel
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6/27/2005  12:06 PM
like he's "earned" it the past 2 years?
roblackman
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6/27/2005  12:07 PM
I would cut him if he can't play.
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Knick2001
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6/27/2005  12:09 PM
If you want the Knicks to get younger and more athletic then it's time to move on and open up a roster spot.
roblackman
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6/27/2005  12:10 PM
Shooting is still a highly valuable commodity no matter how young and athletic you get.
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6/27/2005  12:11 PM
Posted by roblackman:

There are $40 million reasons to keep Houston, don't you get it?
no.. explain it to me. I'm a business man and I'm looking at my budget. I have a player with a cronic injury that has played 70 games in the last 2 years. No matter what I have to pay that player $40mm over the next 2 years. But am I willing to pay an additional $40mm to watch him rehab and possibly play, and at what level nobody knows? Or do I cut my losses and move on?

What is the best possible thing for Houston right now? he returns to all-star form? Is that realistic? We are talking about an degenerative condition.

Forget about the $40mm on his remaining deal. Your paying that, its non issue. The quesion is if you could sign Houston for 2 years and $40mm right now would you?
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roblackman
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6/27/2005  12:13 PM
Your post is irretrievably convoluted and confused.
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Knick2001
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6/27/2005  12:14 PM
Shooting is still a highly valuable commodity no matter how young and athletic you get.

Only if you can play 82 games over a season not including the playoffs which is very doubtful Houston can perform any longer.
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6/27/2005  12:14 PM
good post fish!
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6/27/2005  12:15 PM
Posted by Elite:

All it will do is save dolan some money in luxery tax which means nothing 2 us as fans.... So wat the hell is the point? Release him for wat? Just because?
I hate to have to save Dolan money, especially since it was his retarded idea to strap the Knicks with H2O and his contract. He doesnt understand the Knick-fans pain. I want him to pay because thats the only place it will hurt him like the last 6 years hurt us. Thats not it though.

There is another thing that will come out of this. It will free up a roster spot. This is assuming Houston will not be able to contribute much during the season. If you are thinking playoffs, I gotta say think again. If there is a possibility of adding a guy to the active/inactive roster that could contribute more than the injury prone Houston, why not let Isiah do it?

Houston hasnt been able to play for the last year and half. He should've been going to different doctors to begin with. The Knick doctors arent the only one's and the high jumper didnt help at all. I am sure Isiah has more access to watching him run and shoot in practice.

If you still want to hold out hope for Houstons return by sacrificing a spot, you would just be hoping for a 15 mins per game jump shooter returning. Instead you could hope for another player contributing through the regular season into the playoffs. Maybe this other player can develop into something nice.
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6/27/2005  12:15 PM
fish, take your time with the response. I'm going to pour myself a big glass of milk and I want to drink it and read your retort at the same time... I want the milk to shoot out my nose cause of laughter.

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roblackman
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6/27/2005  12:16 PM
I think we all agree that if Houston gets anywhere near what he used to be then he is worth keeping but if the only shots he gets are in his arthritic knee then we should cut him and bring in another player. We'll see what happens! Later.
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6/27/2005  12:17 PM
there's also a value in finally moving on from allan. he was the centerpiece of our team for too long, i was definitely a fan, but we can't keep going with our fingers crossed that allan will give us 20 minutes a night at 75%. houston or sundov? i'd rather have a guy with the potential to be a contributor than a guy we are going to let walk anyway in a few seasons. i gotta say i'm doubting whether houston will ever play again. in that case, give the roster spot to a prospect, not a lame duck veteran.
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6/27/2005  12:19 PM
Whether or not his salary stays on the cap is irrelevant. Even if the provision was written that the $$ would come completely off the cap, it wouldn't really matter anyway, we wont be under the cap anyway.

Keep him or cut him, Allan still gets his $40mm from the Knicks. But cutting him saves $40mm that would go to the league in luxury tax. We've already established that we don't expect him to return to form, & want him primarily as a vet shooter of the bench, 10-15 minutes a game type. Is that worth 40mm??!! Of course not.

If you really want to keep him that badly, cut him then resign him for the vet's minimum.
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6/27/2005  12:22 PM
Posted by CTKnicksfan:

Whether or not his salary stays on the cap is irrelevant. Even if the provision was written that the $$ would come completely off the cap, it wouldn't really matter anyway, we wont be under the cap anyway.

Keep him or cut him, Allan still gets his $40mm from the Knicks. But cutting him saves $40mm that would go to the league in luxury tax. We've already established that we don't expect him to return to form, & want him primarily as a vet shooter of the bench, 10-15 minutes a game type. Is that worth 40mm??!! Of course not.

If you really want to keep him that badly, cut him then resign him for the vet's minimum.
any other team can resign him, but us.
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6/27/2005  12:22 PM
Posted by CTKnicksfan:

If you really want to keep him that badly, cut him then resign him for the vet's minimum.
Since the roster spot is more valuable to Knick fans than the luxury tax this is not a good idea.
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6/27/2005  12:22 PM
Posted by CTKnicksfan:

If you really want to keep him that badly, cut him then resign him for the vet's minimum.

now that's freakishly interesting. I wonder if there is a provision that says you can't sign your own cut player.
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6/27/2005  12:26 PM
Houston needs to give us some of that money back...Why don't he just come back and play for free???
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6/27/2005  12:28 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Why don't he just come back and play for free???
Thats not fair bro. He was offered the money, he didnt steal it. He paid for a bad product but they knew what they were doing. This isnt charity.
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6/27/2005  12:30 PM
Posted by daddynel:
Posted by CTKnicksfan:

Whether or not his salary stays on the cap is irrelevant. Even if the provision was written that the $$ would come completely off the cap, it wouldn't really matter anyway, we wont be under the cap anyway.

Keep him or cut him, Allan still gets his $40mm from the Knicks. But cutting him saves $40mm that would go to the league in luxury tax. We've already established that we don't expect him to return to form, & want him primarily as a vet shooter of the bench, 10-15 minutes a game type. Is that worth 40mm??!! Of course not.

If you really want to keep him that badly, cut him then resign him for the vet's minimum.
any other team can resign him, but us.

I always thought once a guy cleared waivers he was free to sign with any team. but maybe I'm wrong.
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