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6/26/2005  11:14 PM
i hope zeke has another starting center in mind he plans to trade for. bynum is our starting center ?.....nice development
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6/26/2005  11:19 PM
Posted by Bobby:

i hope zeke has another starting center in mind he plans to trade for. bynum is our starting center ?.....nice development

sure he will. Kwame, Z or Hunter will allow Bynum 2-3yrs to breakout
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6/26/2005  11:41 PM
Draft city has a history of being ridicously biased when it comes to certain players. Last yearm they were all over the Celts for their picks at 24 and 25, Allen and West, SCREAMING that the Celtics were idiots to have passed on David Harrison and Peter Ramos, two big stiffs. Of course, they were wrong and West and Allen have given the Celts a foundation to build on and even consider trading Pierce.

It's the Draft, people, if there were any one answer or infalliable way of doing things, there wouldn't be so many fascinating screw-ups and this whole process would be far less interesting to follow. Draft City (express, whatev) has one opinion, fine. They've been VERY wrong before. I have another opinion of Frye and Bynum, but hey, I've been wrong too. VERY wrong ... but this is all ridiculous posturing until these guys have a chance to get out on the court. And in Bynum's case, the verdict will probably be out for three to four years. I can't believe some of you guys who seem to have no patience otherwise (like calling for Zeke's head after 18 months) are willing to wait 4 years on a guy , who let's face it, has less than a 50% chance of being a STARTER in this league, let alone a star.
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6/26/2005  11:42 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Bobby:

i hope zeke has another starting center in mind he plans to trade for. bynum is our starting center ?.....nice development

sure he will. Kwame, Z or Hunter will allow Bynum 2-3yrs to breakout

I feel you guns. I hear what you're saying about Isiah's drafting record. But here's my point. He hasn't drafted anyone yet. If he drafts Bynum than I agree with you....he saw something that I haven't seen. Same goes for Frye...and you must also accept that. If Isiah drafts Frye, and you said it yourself....his record stands. But I cannot go based on a poster who is sometimes just as wrong as any other person on the street into thinking that Bynum will be allstar material. If Isiah drafts the dude then my respect for him will go way up. After all, no one has really seen him play here. No one. Not even your almighty Briggs. Briggs could be just as wrong about this as he's been with some other things in the past. He's no the professional.....nor is he seeing any of these things he's boasting about with his own eyes. He knows just as much as me and you about the situation. If I could have a convo with Zeke or someone else who has really seen this guy play we could learn much about him....pros and cons. Briggs included
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6/26/2005  11:45 PM
Posted by Bobby:

i hope zeke has another starting center in mind he plans to trade for. bynum is our starting center ?.....nice development

Want me to tell you the differnce between a Bynum and a Kwame brown and Eddie Curry

Bynum is actually highly intelligent. He had a solid SAT score of close to 1100 and had a 3.6 GPA and was enrolling at Uconn as an Engineering major. On top of that, he had the work ethic at 17 years old to put in 2 a days and lose 35 pounds. Heck even our own Mike Sweetney with pro trainers all around him hasnt done it in 2 years+.

So we are talking a skilled athletic 7-1 275 with a 92 1/2 inch wingspan with burgeoning skills, intelligence, who also happens to be still growing in height. Kwame Brown is dumb as a pile of bricks and had the maturity level of a 3 YO and the same goes for the spoon fed Curry. He's much more mature than those guys, and that was brought up publicly by John Nash--his maturity level and how he holds himself.

He's got everything you need to suceed. To bas there wasnt a way to get both Bynum to play C and Frye to play PF, but it wont happen.
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6/26/2005  11:46 PM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Bobby:

i hope zeke has another starting center in mind he plans to trade for. bynum is our starting center ?.....nice development

sure he will. Kwame, Z or Hunter will allow Bynum 2-3yrs to breakout

I feel you guns. I hear what you're saying about Isiah's drafting record. But here's my point. He hasn't drafted anyone yet. If he drafts Bynum than I agree with you....he saw something that I haven't seen. Same goes for Frye...and you must also accept that. If Isiah drafts Frye, and you said it yourself....his record stands. But I cannot go based on a poster who is sometimes just as wrong as any other person on the street into thinking that Bynum will be allstar material. If Isiah drafts the dude then my respect for him will go way up. After all, no one has really seen him play here. No one. Not even your almighty Briggs. Briggs could be just as wrong about this as he's been with some other things in the past. He's no the professional.....nor is he seeing any of these things he's boasting about with his own eyes. He knows just as much as me and you about the situation. If I could have a convo with Zeke or someone else who has really seen this guy play we could learn much about him....pros and cons. Briggs included

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6/26/2005  11:53 PM
Draft bynum, try to get Big Z to play until the kid is ready, or busts.
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6/26/2005  11:57 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bobby:

i hope zeke has another starting center in mind he plans to trade for. bynum is our starting center ?.....nice development

Want me to tell you the differnce between a Bynum and a Kwame brown and Eddie Curry

Bynum is actually highly intelligent. He had a solid SAT score of close to 1100 and had a 3.6 GPA and was enrolling at Uconn as an Engineering major. On top of that, he had the work ethic at 17 years old to put in 2 a days and lose 35 pounds. Heck even our own Mike Sweetney with pro trainers all around him hasnt done it in 2 years+.

So we are talking a skilled athletic 7-1 275 with a 92 1/2 inch wingspan with burgeoning skills, intelligence, who also happens to be still growing in height. Kwame Brown is dumb as a pile of bricks and had the maturity level of a 3 YO and the same goes for the spoon fed Curry. He's much more mature than those guys, and that was brought up publicly by John Nash--his maturity level and how he holds himself.

He's got everything you need to suceed. To bas there wasnt a way to get both Bynum to play C and Frye to play PF, but it wont happen.
SAT score and GPA tell you nothing about work ethic. You can be smart and lazy. I don't understand why you keep telling us he got an 1000 on the SATs. Maybe if I need some math help and am given the phone # of every NBA player, I'll call him first and I'll know to thank you Briggs!
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6/27/2005  12:03 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bobby:

i hope zeke has another starting center in mind he plans to trade for. bynum is our starting center ?.....nice development

Want me to tell you the differnce between a Bynum and a Kwame brown and Eddie Curry

Bynum is actually highly intelligent. He had a solid SAT score of close to 1100 and had a 3.6 GPA and was enrolling at Uconn as an Engineering major. On top of that, he had the work ethic at 17 years old to put in 2 a days and lose 35 pounds. Heck even our own Mike Sweetney with pro trainers all around him hasnt done it in 2 years+.

So we are talking a skilled athletic 7-1 275 with a 92 1/2 inch wingspan with burgeoning skills, intelligence, who also happens to be still growing in height. Kwame Brown is dumb as a pile of bricks and had the maturity level of a 3 YO and the same goes for the spoon fed Curry. He's much more mature than those guys, and that was brought up publicly by John Nash--his maturity level and how he holds himself.

He's got everything you need to suceed. To bas there wasnt a way to get both Bynum to play C and Frye to play PF, but it wont happen.
SAT score and GPA tell you nothing about work ethic. You can be smart and lazy. I don't understand why you keep telling us he got an 1000 on the SATs. Maybe if I need some math help and am given the phone # of every NBA player, I'll call him first and I'll know to thank you Briggs!

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6/27/2005  12:07 AM
yeah I can't say his SAT score factors into the equation because he coul d be intelligent but lazy. I'd be more interested in seeing how his work ethic progresses you need to work harder to compete againdt nba bigs if not then you'll be another Eddy Curry. But I think at 17 he's got a lot of growing to do so I wouldn't worry
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6/27/2005  12:09 AM
this is so great guys. you know like half the board is going to commit seppuku on draft night, no matter who we pick.
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6/27/2005  12:11 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

this is so great guys. you know like half the board is going to commit seppuku on draft night, no matter who we pick.

Haha you got that right Crzy. It's amazing how the board is basically divided into 2 factions on this. Whatever happens, I just hope it works out and the Knicks friggin start winning again.
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6/27/2005  12:11 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:


agree with everything you said except a minor little detail. I don't think you can build around Webster the way you can around Green, Granger and Graham who bring a lot more to the table then Webster. I don't think you can build around Webster who is a shooter and doesn't play D the same way you can't build around H20.

I know about Green and Granger, but do you think that Graham is a franchise player?
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6/27/2005  12:14 AM
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agree with everything you said except a minor little detail. I don't think you can build around Webster the way you can around Green, Granger and Graham who bring a lot more to the table then Webster. I don't think you can build around Webster who is a shooter and doesn't play D the same way you can't build around H20.

I know about Green and Granger, but do you think that Graham is a franchise player?

I don't... I think he has the ability to be a potential all-star every year but I dont think he can be a franchise player but I think he's going to put up great #s from the 2 or 3, he'll have more of an impact then Channing will, but thats just MO.
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6/27/2005  12:16 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

Draft city has a history of being ridicously biased when it comes to certain players. Last yearm they were all over the Celts for their picks at 24 and 25, Allen and West, SCREAMING that the Celtics were idiots to have passed on David Harrison and Peter Ramos, two big stiffs. Of course, they were wrong and West and Allen have given the Celts a foundation to build on and even consider trading Pierce.

Well, I wouldn't call them stiffs just yet. Both have potential to be good big men is they are developed correctly. But I get your point and its right. Nothing is for sure in the Draft so the best I expect is that all the players we draft get developed correctly and turn out to be great players for us...
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6/27/2005  12:17 AM
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agree with everything you said except a minor little detail. I don't think you can build around Webster the way you can around Green, Granger and Graham who bring a lot more to the table then Webster. I don't think you can build around Webster who is a shooter and doesn't play D the same way you can't build around H20.


I know about Green and Granger, but do you think that Graham is a franchise player?

no no way! but closer to one then the one-dimensional jumpshooting, no D Webster
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6/27/2005  12:18 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

this is so great guys. you know like half the board is going to commit seppuku on draft night, no matter who we pick.

whatever it is, i hope for the best

3 years ago it was wilcox butler and Gooden were the safe picks and amare stoudemire was a raw crackhead.
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6/27/2005  12:18 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
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Posted by gunsnewing:


agree with everything you said except a minor little detail. I don't think you can build around Webster the way you can around Green, Granger and Graham who bring a lot more to the table then Webster. I don't think you can build around Webster who is a shooter and doesn't play D the same way you can't build around H20.


I know about Green and Granger, but do you think that Graham is a franchise player?

no no way! but closer to one then the one-dimensional jumpshooting, no D Webster

I don't see how you can say that Webster doesn't play D when he's only played in Highschool. Theres a reason that some teams are thinking about taking him in the top5.. I've never seen him aside from the McDonalds game so I don't know for a fact like with college players.


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 06/27/2005 00:19:16]
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6/27/2005  12:20 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by crzymdups:

this is so great guys. you know like half the board is going to commit seppuku on draft night, no matter who we pick.

whatever it is, i hope for the best

3 years ago it was wilcox butler and Gooden were the safe picks and amare stoudemire was a raw crackhead.

honestly, three years ago, I was insanely excited about Nene... then I almost had a heart attack when Vecsey was like "there's a trade"...

in all seriousness, if Zeke does actually take Bynum, I will be excited, because it means he has seen the same things you've seen and feels the same way.
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6/27/2005  12:21 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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Posted by gunsnewing:


agree with everything you said except a minor little detail. I don't think you can build around Webster the way you can around Green, Granger and Graham who bring a lot more to the table then Webster. I don't think you can build around Webster who is a shooter and doesn't play D the same way you can't build around H20.

I know about Green and Granger, but do you think that Graham is a franchise player?

I don't... I think he has the ability to be a potential all-star every year but I dont think he can be a franchise player but I think he's going to put up great #s from the 2 or 3, he'll have more of an impact then Channing will, but thats just MO.

Well, I expect TT to be traded this offseason or at least on the deadline, so I wouldn't rule out drafting an SF with potential to be an all star (even though... we have Ariza so... hmm). An SF rotation of Granger/Graham and Ariza wouldn't hurt at all. But yeah, I hope we can somehow draft our C of the future if he is the best player avaliable..
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