tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!

Houston looks good.

Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS - HE SUx!

Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!

He's been quietly nasty all month(efficiency wise)....2mos ago I referred to the Rockets as the MOST PROLIFIC OFFENSIVE TEAM IN BASKETBALL....and they are.

Too bad they're more like the D'AnToni Suns and don't play enough D and turn the ball over too much. This will be their achilles to growing and improving as a team.

as you know I jumped on that bandwagon along with denver a while ago... I have been a fan of morey for a while as you also know.. He has put together a fine team in a short time.. I do agree defense will need to get better, and I am sure they will address that.. but right now, scoring is how they will win and they are damn good at it.... LOL

When Houston freezes up in the playoffs because of the lack of experience, you guys come up with a recipe of excuses. LOL

mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!

Houston looks good.

Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers in 24 minutes!! - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS?? - HE SUx!

Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!

Houston looks good.

Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers in 24 minutes!! - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS?? - HE SUx!

Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!

It looks like Lin had a bounce back game. The last 4 prior to this he has averaged under 9 pts a game and the Rockets had gone 2-2.

He's virtually a rookie. Felton is 30

mrKnickShot wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!

Houston looks good.

Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers in 24 minutes!! - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS?? - HE SUx!

Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!

It looks like Lin had a bounce back game. The last 4 prior to this he has averaged under 9 pts a game and the Rockets had gone 2-2.

He's virtually a rookie. Felton is 30

Felton is 28 and Lin is 24. My point was that there hasn't been a lot of Lin posts recently. I brought it up after they beat the Magic the other night.

I am not gaga over lin (yet)

but I do know that he is far better than Felton in every way

playa2 wrote:

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!

Houston looks good.

Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS - HE SUx!

Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!

He's been quietly nasty all month(efficiency wise)....2mos ago I referred to the Rockets as the MOST PROLIFIC OFFENSIVE TEAM IN BASKETBALL....and they are.

Too bad they're more like the D'AnToni Suns and don't play enough D and turn the ball over too much. This will be their achilles to growing and improving as a team.

as you know I jumped on that bandwagon along with denver a while ago... I have been a fan of morey for a while as you also know.. He has put together a fine team in a short time.. I do agree defense will need to get better, and I am sure they will address that.. but right now, scoring is how they will win and they are damn good at it.... LOL

When Houston freezes up in the playoffs because of the lack of experience, you guys come up with a recipe of excuses. LOL

????? really

Bonn1997 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!

Houston looks good.

Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers in 24 minutes!! - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS?? - HE SUx!

Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!

It looks like Lin had a bounce back game. The last 4 prior to this he has averaged under 9 pts a game and the Rockets had gone 2-2.

He's virtually a rookie. Felton is 30

Felton is 28 and Lin is 24. My point was that there hasn't been a lot of Lin posts recently. I brought it up after they beat the Magic the other night.

I am not gaga over lin (yet)

but I do know that he is far better than Felton in every way

Exactly. Right now, Lin is just an average NBA PG but that is far better than Felton.

Far better than Felton? Wrong as wrong could possibly be.

Ray: 34.0 minutes per game, 14.7 points per game (.404%), 5.9 assists, 1.3 steals and 2.3 turnovers per game. Player Efficiency Rating of 14.9.

Lin: 32.5 minutes per game, 12.8 points per game (.436%), 6.2 assists, 1.9 steals and 2.9 turnovers per game. Player Efficiency Rating of 14.9.

A "far better" PG when compared to Felton? Not even close in regards to basketball production and/or ability, especially once you consider the fact that Lin's due $25,123,938 when compared to Felton who's only due $12,540,000 over the next three years.

Lin's due more than double Felton's contract, but yet, Lin's numbers/production nowhere nears the amount of his contract. In short, we'll be able to improve our team that much more under Felton when compared to Jeremy Lin moving forward.

Also, there is no guarantee that Lin will continue to improve, because as NBA teams adjust to Lin struggling going to the left? They could end up shutting Lin down as his career goes on. Youth doesn't always amount to potential. If Lin ever plays a postseason games, how will he perform under postseason pressure? Something tells me he'll crack under pressure.

Try looking at some well validated stats rather than that PER junk.

Sorry for pointing out what these two guys do DURING ACTUAL GAMES. I'm sorry. lol.

NYKMentality wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Damn!

Houston looks good.

Lin - 21 points (8-14), 9 assists, 2 turnovers in 24 minutes!! - WHO NEEDS HIM ON THE KNICKS?? - HE SUx!

Parsons is ballin - 32 on 12-13, 6-7 from 3!!!

It looks like Lin had a bounce back game. The last 4 prior to this he has averaged under 9 pts a game and the Rockets had gone 2-2.

He's virtually a rookie. Felton is 30

Felton is 28 and Lin is 24. My point was that there hasn't been a lot of Lin posts recently. I brought it up after they beat the Magic the other night.

I am not gaga over lin (yet)

but I do know that he is far better than Felton in every way

Exactly. Right now, Lin is just an average NBA PG but that is far better than Felton.

Far better than Felton? Wrong as wrong could possibly be.

Ray: 34.0 minutes per game, 14.7 points per game (.404%), 5.9 assists, 1.3 steals and 2.3 turnovers per game. Player Efficiency Rating of 14.9.

Lin: 32.5 minutes per game, 12.8 points per game (.436%), 6.2 assists, 1.9 steals and 2.9 turnovers per game. Player Efficiency Rating of 14.9.

A "far better" PG when compared to Felton? Not even close in regards to basketball production and/or ability, especially once you consider the fact that Lin's due $25,123,938 when compared to Felton who's only due $12,540,000 over the next three years.

Lin's due more than double Felton's contract, but yet, Lin's numbers/production nowhere nears the amount of his contract. In short, we'll be able to improve our team that much more under Felton when compared to Jeremy Lin moving forward.

Also, there is no guarantee that Lin will continue to improve, because as NBA teams adjust to Lin struggling going to the left? They could end up shutting Lin down as his career goes on. Youth doesn't always amount to potential. If Lin ever plays a postseason games, how will he perform under postseason pressure? Something tells me he'll crack under pressure.

Try looking at some well validated stats rather than that PER junk.

Sorry for pointing out what these two guys do DURING ACTUAL GAMES. I'm sorry. lol.

I'll get you started:

Question: why is his (PER) system inferior in your opinion to your own?

Answer: I will try and be diplomatic.

When I started looking doing economic research with NBA statistics I needed a measure of player performance that connected what a player did on the court to team wins. Although measures like PER — and NBA Efficiency — are popular, these measures are not highly correlated with team wins (as I have shown in published research).

So, I set out build a model connecting a player’s box score statistics to team wins. The result of this effort is Wins Produced, a measure that translates all the numbers we see in the box score into each player’s production of wins.

The big difference between Wins Produced and PER is that the former is based on a model connecting each factor in the box score to team wins. In other words, the value of factors like offensive rebounds, steals, or turnovers is based on a statistical model connecting each of these variables to how many wins we observe.

When Hollinger describes how PER was constructed he doesn’t really argue that the weights he assigned reflects how that particular factor impacts outcomes (and he certainly doesn’t provide evidence that his weights reflect actual outcomes). What he does is choose weights that seem to make sense to him. And what seems to make sense to him leads to a measure that confirms what people tend to think about NBA players.

As a result, we see two clear problems with PER.
• A player who shoots better than 30% from two point range (and even less from three point range) can increase his PER by simply taking more shots. So PER rewards inefficient shooting.
• Consequently – because inefficient shooting does not translate into wins — measures like PER do a very poor job of explaining team wins.

As a result, it doesn’t appear that PER is a very good measure of a player’s actual contribution to outcomes.

PER is highly correlated with Game Score (Hollinger’s simple box score metric) and NBA Efficiency. Each of these measures overvalues inefficient scoring and does a poor job of explaining wins. But all three do a very good job of explaining a free agent’s salary (something also noted in published research).

This indicates that PER is a statistical measure that captures perceptions of value in the NBA. For example, PER tells us that players like Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony are really very good. And therefore both should get paid large sums of money (and Hollinger once thought that these two combined on the Nuggets would lead to a title contender).

PER rewards inefficient shooting and Felton does a lot of that. So it shouldn't be a surprise that his PER is inflated.

mrKnickShot wrote:I would not want to face Houston in the playoffs

I wouldn't want to face San Antonio...