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6/4/2025  9:40 AM
VDesai wrote:
martin wrote:Yeah, I don't care for the stuff that comes out of this account but they obviously know someone.

And I kinda look at it differently regarding the intel. Knicks seem to give early info to Ian, who communicates it very very carefully.

Leon is a closed loop and the beat guys have to respect him in that, the others really don't, for better or worse.

DLeethal wrote:This account said they had intel Thibs was gonna be fired and he got fired the next day. Apparently knows someone in the Dolan family. I thought he was talking nonsense but he nailed it.

The socials and podcasters are very close to getting more intel across the board than the beat writers who haven’t broke anything substantial in years.


Yes Ian usually has the info and speaks in tongues. For example when we had the last roster spot to fill for a veteran, and everyone was thinking TJ Warren, he kept saying in his reports to not count out a locker room presence like PJ Tucker, because they may benefit from someone who is a good communicator. Then right after the season he said that the decision on the Coach was not made yet, and that while he thought that Thibs would be back, the decision was not made yet, and that no one should assume.

I heard him on his own show the putback and he seemed to say Johnny was a candidate and sort of rejected everyone else mentioned, so I came away thinking Johnny was the guy. But now he is saying something a bit different here.

Honestly I don't know how you fire an established, successful top coach like this without 1 or 2 people firmly in mind as a potential upgrade. They may run a thorough process, but I believe they have someone in mind and the focus is on modern/innovative offensive principles.

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6/4/2025  9:43 AM
DLeethal wrote:I would agree that Ian's usually pretty accurate. He basically said the Knicks were going to evaluate Thibs and implied his job might not be as safe as everyone else was mentioning. I do feel like I heard Katz talk sometimes and wonder if this guy legit knows anything more than us fans do. Knicks beat overall don't seem to get too much intel. And the Knicks as an org definitely aren't fond of the media so I'm not that surprised.

Fred is legit. And also super nice and would not step on anyone's toes, especially Ian's, to outscoop for his own sake. Fred at the national level now so not as close to the Knicks.

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6/4/2025  9:43 AM
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ToddTT wrote:This move reeks of Dolan.

Begley said if Dolan made this call against Leon's wishes then Leon would be out with Thibs because he would quit. Leon has full autonomy here IMO.

Absolutely - Leon is 100% running this show and the notion Dolan fired him is a complete reach.

Leon would absolutely walk out -- Thibs was fired because guys didn't understand their roles and weren't defending/executing anywhere close to potential. Who's fault? Not sure but I'm sure player exit interviews included some candid shots at Thibs.
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6/4/2025  9:43 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:I think anyone saying not Hurley should watch this. It’s an X’s and Os. But tell me 1) You don’t see what the Pacers used to rip us. 2) That Brunson and KAT wouldn’t look better than these guys. It’s essentially perfect for us AND continues to evolve over time. I think Hurley would b lent risk of losing guys like KAT due to temperament, but you’d be bringing in an efficient Xs and Os scholar.

Every player would get involved. It’s not just spreading concepts, it’s putting each player in the best position to be their best.

Ok, but take a step back. We just heard KAT constantly broke from the system and wasn't where he was supposed to be on the court pretty frequently. Does implementing the complex system ever give you a lot of confidence about how he's gonna fit within that?
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DLeethal wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
ToddTT wrote:
martin wrote:
ToddTT wrote:
martin wrote:Ha Marc with the best shiv takes

I’ve been ready to ****can Leon for nearly a year.

Randle grudge runs strong within you young Skywalker!

Kemba/EF. Strike one.
iHart. Foul ball.
Mikal. Strike two.
Randle. Strike three.
Thibs. Strike four.

Four strikes, you're out!

Let see if karma bites Leon in his disloyal ass next year. He's got nowhere left to hide.

Randle in effect traded himself by telling Knick management he would not extend - which would have left them with payroll/cap uncertainty in building out the rest of the roster. A big factor in the Knicks moving him/Donte for Kat was that Kat's contract was established/set and he gave you the certainty of either him being on the roster or you trading him.

With Julius right now - he could choose to just leave us via free agency (at least I think he can opt out).

It seems like a lesson learned from iHart as well.

Mikal and Mitch are up... for extensions or trades.

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6/4/2025  9:45 AM
martin wrote:
VDesai wrote:
martin wrote:Yeah, I don't care for the stuff that comes out of this account but they obviously know someone.

And I kinda look at it differently regarding the intel. Knicks seem to give early info to Ian, who communicates it very very carefully.

Leon is a closed loop and the beat guys have to respect him in that, the others really don't, for better or worse.

DLeethal wrote:This account said they had intel Thibs was gonna be fired and he got fired the next day. Apparently knows someone in the Dolan family. I thought he was talking nonsense but he nailed it.

The socials and podcasters are very close to getting more intel across the board than the beat writers who haven’t broke anything substantial in years.


Yes Ian usually has the info and speaks in tongues. For example when we had the last roster spot to fill for a veteran, and everyone was thinking TJ Warren, he kept saying in his reports to not count out a locker room presence like PJ Tucker, because they may benefit from someone who is a good communicator. Then right after the season he said that the decision on the Coach was not made yet, and that while he thought that Thibs would be back, the decision was not made yet, and that no one should assume.

I heard him on his own show the putback and he seemed to say Johnny was a candidate and sort of rejected everyone else mentioned, so I came away thinking Johnny was the guy. But now he is saying something a bit different here.

Honestly I don't know how you fire an established, successful top coach like this without 1 or 2 people firmly in mind as a potential upgrade. They may run a thorough process, but I believe they have someone in mind and the focus is on modern/innovative offensive principles.

Same

1000% they have specific candidates in mind. Probably since around January.

Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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6/4/2025  9:46 AM
martin wrote:
DLeethal wrote:I would agree that Ian's usually pretty accurate. He basically said the Knicks were going to evaluate Thibs and implied his job might not be as safe as everyone else was mentioning. I do feel like I heard Katz talk sometimes and wonder if this guy legit knows anything more than us fans do. Knicks beat overall don't seem to get too much intel. And the Knicks as an org definitely aren't fond of the media so I'm not that surprised.

Fred is legit. And also super nice and would not step on anyone's toes, especially Ian's, to outscoop for his own sake. Fred at the national level now so not as close to the Knicks.

Fred isn't a "scooper." Fred is gonna give you the best analysis and stories about the team that we have on the beat. THe players love Fred as he loves to talk hoops. NO one better at pulling a stat or providing in depth analysis. Ian most likely to have front office intel. Think he is the chosen reporter to break information too. Everyone else on the periphery.
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6/4/2025  9:46 AM
DLeethal wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
ToddTT wrote:
martin wrote:
ToddTT wrote:
martin wrote:Ha Marc with the best shiv takes

I’ve been ready to ****can Leon for nearly a year.

Randle grudge runs strong within you young Skywalker!

Kemba/EF. Strike one.
iHart. Foul ball.
Mikal. Strike two.
Randle. Strike three.
Thibs. Strike four.

Four strikes, you're out!

Let see if karma bites Leon in his disloyal ass next year. He's got nowhere left to hide.

Randle in effect traded himself by telling Knick management he would not extend - which would have left them with payroll/cap uncertainty in building out the rest of the roster. A big factor in the Knicks moving him/Donte for Kat was that Kat's contract was established/set and he gave you the certainty of either him being on the roster or you trading him.

With Julius right now - he could choose to just leave us via free agency (at least I think he can opt out).

It seems like a lesson learned from iHart as well.


Yeah, they could've handled that better. But the iHart signing
was such an audible from OKC's usual playbook that it was hard to predict. They were the only team at the time who had the space to just straight out overpay for iHart. I think the lesson learned is from the initial signing. Got to nail down those Bird rights.
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6/4/2025  9:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/4/2025  9:50 AM
VDesai wrote:
martin wrote:
DLeethal wrote:I would agree that Ian's usually pretty accurate. He basically said the Knicks were going to evaluate Thibs and implied his job might not be as safe as everyone else was mentioning. I do feel like I heard Katz talk sometimes and wonder if this guy legit knows anything more than us fans do. Knicks beat overall don't seem to get too much intel. And the Knicks as an org definitely aren't fond of the media so I'm not that surprised.

Fred is legit. And also super nice and would not step on anyone's toes, especially Ian's, to outscoop for his own sake. Fred at the national level now so not as close to the Knicks.

Fred isn't a "scooper." Fred is gonna give you the best analysis and stories about the team that we have on the beat. THe players love Fred as he loves to talk hoops. NO one better at pulling a stat or providing in depth analysis. Ian most likely to have front office intel. Think he is the chosen reporter to break information too. Everyone else on the periphery.

Yeah better way to put it. Fred wants to tell a story and dig deep into analysis

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6/4/2025  9:49 AM
on the topic of IHart bird rights - we don't know if iHart's camp just said we're gonna take only a 2 yr deal. I'm sure they wanted to hit the market again as soon as possible to get paid. Betting on their own guy. We don't have the whole story of why we didn't get the Early Bird. That said, guy bet on himself and nailed the timing because a good team had a ton of cap space and no big name was gonna be dead set on living in Oklahoma City (and the biggest FA available was Paul George, who had been there and done that).
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6/4/2025  9:56 AM
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Chandler wrote:That they don’t have a guy locked up worries me tremendously that Dolan drove this decision

Whatever you think of Thibs, it’s crazy to think you fire him without someone essentially agreed to, under our circumstances where you have the talent and want finals next year (ie not a rebuild)

I'm worried that they fired Thibs at all, but not that they haven't announced a replacement less than 24 hours later. Would be dirty if they had already, like taking your girlfriend to a restaurant to break up with her and walking out with the waitress.

The talking heads out there suggesting Knicks have a short list of 2-3 guys with mutual interest, but will still go through the motions of a full search. The draft is 6/25. Expect it'll be announced before then.


I kind of get the logic of the firing, especially if there was any concern that there would be more of same next year (couldn't beat the top teams; lots of regression; losing the un-losable game 1 in a very dumb way)

If they do have a short (somewhat pre-discussed) list then that would be good, but the talk about long term search etc sounds like a rash decision was made to fire him

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6/4/2025  9:57 AM
DLeethal wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
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martin wrote:Ha

Exactly what I think

Windhorst (who I respect) this AM basically saying this is a vet laden team with a team solely focused on a championship run and it's a job for an established head coach not a job you throw an inexperienced guy into.

Mentioned Malone, Jenkins, Brown and then others mentioned Van Gundy (who did return to sidelines with Clippers this year)

This is the mainstream media take and it doesn't jive with what elite franchises actually do when they are in this situation. Shows how out of touch they are IMO.

We shall see but I will be completely underwhelmed by the GREAT Johnny Bryant.
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6/4/2025  9:59 AM
VDesai wrote:on the topic of IHart bird rights - we don't know if iHart's camp just said we're gonna take only a 2 yr deal. I'm sure they wanted to hit the market again as soon as possible to get paid. Betting on their own guy. We don't have the whole story of why we didn't get the Early Bird. That said, guy bet on himself and nailed the timing because a good team had a ton of cap space and no big name was gonna be dead set on living in Oklahoma City (and the biggest FA available was Paul George, who had been there and done that).

True. But from listening to iHart on the Roommates podcast, it seemed like the Knicks had most of the leverage. Isaiah was desperate enough to take a pay cut from the Clippers and L.A. still said no. I guess, at the end of the day, none of us here really knows.

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6/4/2025  10:03 AM
SergioNYK wrote:Conducting a coaching search is concerning. I thought they had someone already in mind if they fired Thibs.

Whoever it is, they will come with a lot of expectations. Have to win 50 plus and get back to the ECF at the very least!

And the more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion of Mike Malone. He just checks the most boxes. I know some think he's just another Thibs but so what? Thibs got us this far! We just need someone a little bit better who has proven he can win it all and Malone has done that. Plus he has NYK history and relationships.

If they go with a college coach or a rookie coach, I'll be very nervous.

Malone while VERY Thib's like he is one of a few guys who would not back down from vets and would certainly go after Kat if he dicks around on rotations or blowing assignments. He also managed to get both Joker/Murray into ELITE conditions they hadn't reached earlier in their careers - could he do the same with Jalen/Kat? Basically could he squeeze more juice from our vets that Thibs either wouldn't or couldn't.

I also don't see Malone catering to Josh Hart.

Not saying he's perfect but he has the personality/confidence to stand up to this locker room.
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6/4/2025  10:04 AM
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martin wrote:Yeah, I don't care for the stuff that comes out of this account but they obviously know someone.

And I kinda look at it differently regarding the intel. Knicks seem to give early info to Ian, who communicates it very very carefully.

Leon is a closed loop and the beat guys have to respect him in that, the others really don't, for better or worse.

DLeethal wrote:This account said they had intel Thibs was gonna be fired and he got fired the next day. Apparently knows someone in the Dolan family. I thought he was talking nonsense but he nailed it.

The socials and podcasters are very close to getting more intel across the board than the beat writers who haven’t broke anything substantial in years.


Yes Ian usually has the info and speaks in tongues. For example when we had the last roster spot to fill for a veteran, and everyone was thinking TJ Warren, he kept saying in his reports to not count out a locker room presence like PJ Tucker, because they may benefit from someone who is a good communicator. Then right after the season he said that the decision on the Coach was not made yet, and that while he thought that Thibs would be back, the decision was not made yet, and that no one should assume.

I heard him on his own show the putback and he seemed to say Johnny was a candidate and sort of rejected everyone else mentioned, so I came away thinking Johnny was the guy. But now he is saying something a bit different here.

Honestly I don't know how you fire an established, successful top coach like this without 1 or 2 people firmly in mind as a potential upgrade. They may run a thorough process, but I believe they have someone in mind and the focus is on modern/innovative offensive principles.

Begley often covers all the bases and often says virtually nothing at the end - hems/haws all day without conviction.
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LivingLegend wrote:
DLeethal wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
martin wrote:Ha

Exactly what I think

Windhorst (who I respect) this AM basically saying this is a vet laden team with a team solely focused on a championship run and it's a job for an established head coach not a job you throw an inexperienced guy into.

Mentioned Malone, Jenkins, Brown and then others mentioned Van Gundy (who did return to sidelines with Clippers this year)

This is the mainstream media take and it doesn't jive with what elite franchises actually do when they are in this situation. Shows how out of touch they are IMO.

We shall see but I will be completely underwhelmed by the GREAT Johnny Bryant.

I agree with you I have my doubts about Johnny Bryant too I think he’s needs to go to a small market team to prove himself. If the knicks really want to get a championship then they got to make sure that Johnny Bryant is the right guy if they do hire him. Also with Johnny Bryant he better have a great staff.
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6/4/2025  10:13 AM
SergioNYK wrote:Conducting a coaching search is concerning. I thought they had someone already in mind if they fired Thibs.

Whoever it is, they will come with a lot of expectations. Have to win 50 plus and get back to the ECF at the very least!

And the more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion of Mike Malone. He just checks the most boxes. I know some think he's just another Thibs but so what? Thibs got us this far! We just need someone a little bit better who has proven he can win it all and Malone has done that. Plus he has NYK history and relationships.

If they go with a college coach or a rookie coach, I'll be very nervous.

won it with a slow footed center and Jamaal Murray

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Chandler wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:Conducting a coaching search is concerning. I thought they had someone already in mind if they fired Thibs.

Whoever it is, they will come with a lot of expectations. Have to win 50 plus and get back to the ECF at the very least!

And the more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion of Mike Malone. He just checks the most boxes. I know some think he's just another Thibs but so what? Thibs got us this far! We just need someone a little bit better who has proven he can win it all and Malone has done that. Plus he has NYK history and relationships.

If they go with a college coach or a rookie coach, I'll be very nervous.

won it with a slow footed center and Jamaal Murray

I think Mike Malone is getting 12 million to sit at home so I don’t know if his plan is take year off or get a job now
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6/4/2025  10:22 AM
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VDesai wrote:
martin wrote:Yeah, I don't care for the stuff that comes out of this account but they obviously know someone.

And I kinda look at it differently regarding the intel. Knicks seem to give early info to Ian, who communicates it very very carefully.

Leon is a closed loop and the beat guys have to respect him in that, the others really don't, for better or worse.

DLeethal wrote:This account said they had intel Thibs was gonna be fired and he got fired the next day. Apparently knows someone in the Dolan family. I thought he was talking nonsense but he nailed it.

The socials and podcasters are very close to getting more intel across the board than the beat writers who haven’t broke anything substantial in years.


Yes Ian usually has the info and speaks in tongues. For example when we had the last roster spot to fill for a veteran, and everyone was thinking TJ Warren, he kept saying in his reports to not count out a locker room presence like PJ Tucker, because they may benefit from someone who is a good communicator. Then right after the season he said that the decision on the Coach was not made yet, and that while he thought that Thibs would be back, the decision was not made yet, and that no one should assume.

I heard him on his own show the putback and he seemed to say Johnny was a candidate and sort of rejected everyone else mentioned, so I came away thinking Johnny was the guy. But now he is saying something a bit different here.

Honestly I don't know how you fire an established, successful top coach like this without 1 or 2 people firmly in mind as a potential upgrade. They may run a thorough process, but I believe they have someone in mind and the focus is on modern/innovative offensive principles.

Begley often covers all the bases and often says virtually nothing at the end - hems/haws all day without conviction.

Except when he does and it's just a touch out of character for him, and that's when we need to pay attention.

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6/4/2025  10:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/4/2025  10:39 AM
Chandler wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:Conducting a coaching search is concerning. I thought they had someone already in mind if they fired Thibs.

Whoever it is, they will come with a lot of expectations. Have to win 50 plus and get back to the ECF at the very least!

And the more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion of Mike Malone. He just checks the most boxes. I know some think he's just another Thibs but so what? Thibs got us this far! We just need someone a little bit better who has proven he can win it all and Malone has done that. Plus he has NYK history and relationships.

If they go with a college coach or a rookie coach, I'll be very nervous.

won it with a slow footed center and Jamaal Murray

He won it with 7.5 guy rotation, for what it's worth: Murray, KCP, Porter, Gordon, Joker; Brown, Green, Braun. It was a solid team that had a unique path to the finals, a path that some considered kinda easy but you don't pick your opponents.

Minny was 8th seed but were missing both Jaden McDaniels and Naz Reed, both played a lot during regular season. One started.

Phoenix, who started Josh Okogie and Cam Payne and even started Shamet 1 game. Not a solid team.

Lakers: LeBron AD Reeves and hot garbage for the rest.

Miami in finals. Bam Bulter and then the usual scrappy dudes Max Strus, Gabe Vincent, Fat Lowry, Duncan Robinson, Caleb Martin. Not formidable by any means.

None of those teams close to the level of OKC IND this year IMHO.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DEN/2023.html

If you are looking for different than Thibs, than I don't think this is it.

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