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[Game Thread 5/8/23] 2nd Round - Game 4 vs Heat - 7:30 TNT
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5/8/2023  10:20 PM
Chandler wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:It felt like we may have had a scouting report for Jimmy but every other Heat player has been allowed to play to their strengths all series.

Lowry, Vincent both love to shoot going to their left - we’ve let them all series.
Robinson, Struss love to go right - we’ve let them all series.
Bam allowed to catch a thousand passes inside the foul line in the key.

Just don’t see any plan other than iso on offense and crappy rotations defensively.

Obi comes in early - tosses up air ball, leaves Robinson open for 3 and leaks out early while his guy grabs o-board and scores.

i noticed this. Obi had like 5 or 6 minutes. He's had a lot of air balls and brain farts.

Maybe it's too much psychological babble on my part, but I think the reason this happens to him and IQ is they're thinking the moment they come in "Yeah, now gotta prove I belong in this game by showing em I can do stuff" instead of thinking about what's in the other team and how to exploit that.
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5/8/2023  10:20 PM
Im just shocked how night and day Thibs is as a coach. He has been so severely out-coached this series that it sours on all his accomplishments this season and reminds his lack of adapting on previous seasons.
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5/8/2023  10:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/8/2023  10:32 PM
Demoralizing loss. Possibly the worst way we could have lost this game. Miami did to us what we did to Cleveland on the glass. Just embarrassing how we couldn't get those rebounds. That is all effort and heart. And Miami clearly wants this series a lot more.

I know there have been teams who have come back down 3-1 but I don't see it here with this team. Wednesday is going to be the Knicks funeral. Miami is just flat out the better team. Every time we crawled back and cut it down to 2 or 5 points, they would make a three. Game was never really close.

Bam dominated our bigs. Did whatever he wanted. The Rob we saw against the Cavs is not the same player in this series. A lot of the credit needs to go to Bam and Spoelstra's greatness. Butler was nothing special. I think he gets too much credit on their team. It's not Butler and a bunch of bums. Their supporting cast star in their roles. Reminds me of the Spurs teams.

This was going to be Randle's redemption game and it was the typical Randle game. Finished with his 20 and 9 but had key turnovers and typical awful defense. I think it's become clear he is not a key player on a title contender. Really good regular season player, mediocre playoff player. Guess the ankle is limiting him somewhat but whatever.

Admire Brandon's grit and heart. He is clearly not himself with that ankle. But he battled to the bitter end. Fuck Caleb Martin for that flagrant foul! Like bro you won the game and the series! No need to be reckless like that and injure a guy! I was pissed nobody got in his face!

RJ battled. Grimes hit some shots but was cheap everywhere else. Hart had a rough game. The bench was nonexistent. Obi did not do much.

Anyway, no shame in losing to Miami. That is a legit battle tested championship team that is hungry and they have a decent chance of winning the entire thing. It's their time. Hopefully this ass kicking will prove to be a learning lesson for the future.
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5/8/2023  10:21 PM

Well i know Brunson and Hard at a minimum will show up to play next game expecting to win. I'd add Jules and RJ to that list though i know others may dispute that

We need Grimes or Obi or even Mitch at the free throw line to show up focused for 48 minutes and hit their shots, grabs the boards and go, and hit their free throws.

Miami grabbed too many long offensive rebounds. Defensive rebounding and fast transition after grabbing a long rebound is our bread and butter. We have to fix that

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5/8/2023  10:22 PM
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DuckVader wrote:The only way the Knicks have a chance is if they win big in NY and get into the Heat's heads; Butler can score 50, but if the Knicks can't stop Lowry, Vincent and Strus in the way that the heat have ripped the balls from IQ, Obi and Randle, then Game 5 is just a speedbump.

We win game 5 on Wednesday it’s not impossible we win game 6. We were in tonight’s game. If it bleeds we can kill it

It’s over

BUT - we could build some value back up with a game 5 win and at least a good/great effort in game 6.

Not throwing in towel yet because Heat have been playing out their asses and that’s got to end somewhere this series or down the road.
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5/8/2023  10:23 PM
VDesai wrote:We got it to 2 and 3 in the third and they knocked down a 3 each time. We got momentum on offense and didnt do anything to the lead. Then kn the 4th we made stops on defense and then couldn't get rebounds.

The phantom calls Lowry and Butler got were wild.

Yep daggers…no stops, long offensive rebounds —- conditioning seemed to make a difference
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5/8/2023  10:25 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
DuckVader wrote:The only way the Knicks have a chance is if they win big in NY and get into the Heat's heads; Butler can score 50, but if the Knicks can't stop Lowry, Vincent and Strus in the way that the heat have ripped the balls from IQ, Obi and Randle, then Game 5 is just a speedbump.

We win game 5 on Wednesday it’s not impossible we win game 6. We were in tonight’s game. If it bleeds we can kill it

It’s over

BUT - we could build some value back up with a game 5 win and at least a good/great effort in game 6.

Not throwing in towel yet because Heat have been playing out their asses and that’s got to end somewhere this series or down the road.

One thing is to play out of your ass. Another is to have a perfect plan, execute it to perfection and have the other team have no clue about how to adapt.

So yeah, it’s over

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5/8/2023  10:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/8/2023  10:33 PM
A couple of observation

The Heat don’t dribble the air out of the ball. They are extremely confident that if they pass the ball they will eventually get the Knicks defense out of position and get a high percentage shot. They are disciplined and don’t take bad shots. Everyone on the floor brings effort, knows their role and does their job.

Thibs was saying the right things every time he was mic’s up in huddles. The players didn’t execute.

Randle’s lack of effort on defense is a huge problem. There is no next man up on the Knicks, I don’t even need to look at rotation minutes In the box score to see 6 players played most of the game. Caleb Martin is a dirty player. I really wanted someone to bust him in the mouth

Maybe we can get a win at MSG.
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5/8/2023  10:35 PM
fitzfarm wrote:We need shooters, so many open 3s that should be easy shots are bricked . That’s the game right there they hit their 3’s and we didn’t.

We played like a rattled summer league team for 3 games
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5/8/2023  11:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/8/2023  11:44 PM

Like had been said before if you don't do stuff like this and moving screens you are playing at a disadvantage. I knew Jimmy would get a crazy whistle. I did not take into account Lowry. Bam constantly did moving screens the whole series and got called for one today. Why do we not do them also? We are playing a losing game.
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5/8/2023  11:43 PM

Get this guy off the team.

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5/8/2023  11:45 PM
Clean wrote:
Like had been said before if you don't do stuff like this and moving screens you are playing at a disadvantage. I knew Jimmy would get a crazy whistle. I did not take into account Lowry. Bam constantly did moving screens the whole series and got called for one today. Why do we not do them also? We are playing a losing game.

So infuriating

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5/8/2023  11:45 PM
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Get this guy off the team.

I been on that train for a long time. People will get fooled next regular season and go back to defending him.
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5/8/2023  11:48 PM
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5/8/2023  11:53 PM
We got teams with stars like Booker/Durant or Lebron/AD and we have to watch low effort and Low FG percentage Randle ISO all game long.
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5/9/2023  12:00 AM

I can see like 2 maybe 3 being actual fouls.
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5/9/2023  12:23 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/9/2023  12:26 AM
Clean wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:

Get this guy off the team.

I been on that train for a long time. People will get fooled next regular season and go back to defending him.

I don't think that is how he should lead if he is the leader he envisions himself to be....but then again...

....and I like Randle.....

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5/9/2023  3:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/9/2023  3:36 AM
Clean wrote:

Lacks that killer instinct, where he sees every possession and what the team does as defining their chances of winning.

That was what Jordan and the Bulls had. I still remember how during the playoffs in the 1990s they made Mark Jackson when he was with the Pacers bleed for every inch of space that he needed to dribble or pass. While 37-year old Lowry just weaves around our young guards.
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