nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

arkrud wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Jesus people. Learn some History.

REDNECKS

The origins of this term Redneck are Scottish and refer to supporters of the National Covenant and The Solemn League and Covenant, or "Covenanters", largely Lowland Presbyterians, many of whom would flee Scotland for Ulster (Northern Ireland) during persecutions by the British Crown. The Covenanters of 1638 and 1641 signed the documents that stated that Scotland desired the Presbyterian form of church government and would not accept the Church of England as its official state church.

Many Covenanters signed in their own blood and wore red pieces of cloth around their necks as distinctive insignia; hence the term "Red neck", (rednecks) which became slang for a Scottish dissenter*. One Scottish immigrant, interviewed by the author, remembered a Presbyterian minister, one Dr. Coulter, in Glasgow in the 1940's wearing a red clerical collar -- is this symbolic of the "rednecks"?

Since many Ulster-Scottish settlers in America (especially the South) were Presbyterian, the term was applied to them, and then, later, their Southern descendants. One of the earliest examples of its use comes from 1830, when an author noted that "red-neck" was a "name bestowed upon the Presbyterians." It makes you wonder if the originators of the ever-present "redneck" joke are aware of the term’s origins - Rednecks?

*Another term for Presbyterians in Ireland was a "Blackmouth". Members of the Church of Ireland (Anglicans) used this as a slur, referring to the fact that one could tell a Presbyterian by the black stains around his mouth from eating blackberries while at secret, illegal Presbyterian Church Services in the countryside.

CRACKER

Another Ulster-Scot term, a "cracker" was a person who talked and boasted, and "craic" (Crack) is a term still used in Scotland and Ireland to describe "talking", chat or conversation in a social sense ("Let’s go down to the pub and have a craic"; "what's the craic"). The term, first used to describe a southerner of Ulster-Scottish background, later became a nickname for any white southerner, especially those who were uneducated.

And while not an exclusively Southern term, but rather referring in general to all Americans, the origins of this word are related to the other three.

http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/rednecks/rednecks.html

Nixluva--its a derogatory word used towards white people--no?

No.
This is just a term for people who work hard under the sun.
It sounds as derogatory word only for people who think that hard physical labor is only for slaves.
Like for example professor cannot be red-neck...

And that's how all these racial slurs started. Like Chink-Ching Dynasty and working on the railroads

I deal with FACTS. Now over time many words take on new meanings and are used differently or viewed differently by a new generation of people, however the origin of terms is what I presented and it's important to know this.

There are many FACTS which contradict each other.
You just pick up FACTS which prove your point and disregard all that disprove.
This called demagogy. Its an old art of speech and politics invented in Ancient Greece.
Bad facts can be found about any group of population but in FACT they do not prove anything.
One always demands objectivity to the group he belongs and always subjective to the groups he did not.
Human nature...

You're wrong! See my post above! I'm very much in touch with the facts in this country. My people have been here BEFORE this became a country. I'm not your typical person that doesn't know his family's history in this country. I try to get to the bottom of topics I comment on and present as much detail as possible using reliable sources.

Yes there is bad information out there presented as fact but I would challenge you to prove my sources are not accurate or that my lived experience is not true. The pics I posted above back up my statements. Look at one of the flags on the back of the trucks and you can see it proudly says Redneck on it. If you go to Rural areas during a festival you will see tons of this. I know cuz I live in the South.

Nix relax. You are always right and whoever is arguing with you is wrong.. just because he is stupid enough to argue...
And do not derail any conversation into race and AA issues.
I know this are most important topics to you but not to everyone.
I have just academical outsider interest in this.
As you know I came here just 20 years back and all you white/black animosity means nothing to me.
I am not taking sides in this issue as I do not belong to any of this group even you want me to be white because of the color of my skin.
I am Jewish national American and Latvian citizen with Russian cultural background and native language.
I am Human from planet Earth and all the rest irrelevant to me.
So lets have Peace on planet Earth.

WP76 wrote:^^^ To anyone who's worked with classified material, I can tell you it's incredibly serious and hardly the "fluff" you seem to want to believe. As I stated earlier, such action--especially repeatedly--would have resulted in criminal conviction (at worst) or the loss of career for anyone else. It was her job to know about security classifications and to treat such documents in accordance with the law and federal statutes, just as it is the job of anyone who handles such documents.

I am having a hard time reading your assessment of the above and matching it to James Comey's own internal memo to FBI employee's on the same topic:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/images/09/07/comey2.pdf

You may be sick of this, but let me leave you with a few words about how I have
been describing the email investigation in private to our former employees as I meet
them around the country. I explain to them that there are two aspects to this: (1)
our judgment about the facts and prosecutive merit; and (2) how we decided to talk
about that judgment. I tell them that the difficult decision was actually the second
part, not the first. At the end of the day, the case itself was not a cliff-hanger; despite
all the chest-beating by people no longer in government, there really wasn't a
prosecutable case.

That bolded part is very clear. There is no doubt a clear distinction between what you may have been required to follow and how others are asked to use that information while in a different role, and that is certainly me following the dots.

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

arkrud wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Jesus people. Learn some History.

REDNECKS

The origins of this term Redneck are Scottish and refer to supporters of the National Covenant and The Solemn League and Covenant, or "Covenanters", largely Lowland Presbyterians, many of whom would flee Scotland for Ulster (Northern Ireland) during persecutions by the British Crown. The Covenanters of 1638 and 1641 signed the documents that stated that Scotland desired the Presbyterian form of church government and would not accept the Church of England as its official state church.

Many Covenanters signed in their own blood and wore red pieces of cloth around their necks as distinctive insignia; hence the term "Red neck", (rednecks) which became slang for a Scottish dissenter*. One Scottish immigrant, interviewed by the author, remembered a Presbyterian minister, one Dr. Coulter, in Glasgow in the 1940's wearing a red clerical collar -- is this symbolic of the "rednecks"?

Since many Ulster-Scottish settlers in America (especially the South) were Presbyterian, the term was applied to them, and then, later, their Southern descendants. One of the earliest examples of its use comes from 1830, when an author noted that "red-neck" was a "name bestowed upon the Presbyterians." It makes you wonder if the originators of the ever-present "redneck" joke are aware of the term’s origins - Rednecks?

*Another term for Presbyterians in Ireland was a "Blackmouth". Members of the Church of Ireland (Anglicans) used this as a slur, referring to the fact that one could tell a Presbyterian by the black stains around his mouth from eating blackberries while at secret, illegal Presbyterian Church Services in the countryside.

CRACKER

Another Ulster-Scot term, a "cracker" was a person who talked and boasted, and "craic" (Crack) is a term still used in Scotland and Ireland to describe "talking", chat or conversation in a social sense ("Let’s go down to the pub and have a craic"; "what's the craic"). The term, first used to describe a southerner of Ulster-Scottish background, later became a nickname for any white southerner, especially those who were uneducated.

And while not an exclusively Southern term, but rather referring in general to all Americans, the origins of this word are related to the other three.

http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/rednecks/rednecks.html

Nixluva--its a derogatory word used towards white people--no?

No.
This is just a term for people who work hard under the sun.
It sounds as derogatory word only for people who think that hard physical labor is only for slaves.
Like for example professor cannot be red-neck...

And that's how all these racial slurs started. Like Chink-Ching Dynasty and working on the railroads

I deal with FACTS. Now over time many words take on new meanings and are used differently or viewed differently by a new generation of people, however the origin of terms is what I presented and it's important to know this.

There are many FACTS which contradict each other.
You just pick up FACTS which prove your point and disregard all that disprove.
This called demagogy. Its an old art of speech and politics invented in Ancient Greece.
Bad facts can be found about any group of population but in FACT they do not prove anything.
One always demands objectivity to the group he belongs and always subjective to the groups he did not.
Human nature...

You're wrong! See my post above! I'm very much in touch with the facts in this country. My people have been here BEFORE this became a country. I'm not your typical person that doesn't know his family's history in this country. I try to get to the bottom of topics I comment on and present as much detail as possible using reliable sources.

Yes there is bad information out there presented as fact but I would challenge you to prove my sources are not accurate or that my lived experience is not true. The pics I posted above back up my statements. Look at one of the flags on the back of the trucks and you can see it proudly says Redneck on it. If you go to Rural areas during a festival you will see tons of this. I know cuz I live in the South.

Nix relax. You are always right and whoever is arguing with you is wrong.. just because he is stupid enough to argue...
And do not derail any conversation into race and AA issues.
I know this are most important topics to you but not to everyone.
I have just academical outsider interest in this.
As you know I came here just 20 years back and all you white/black animosity means nothing to me.
I am not taking sides in this issue as I do not belong to any of this group even you want me to be white because of the color of my skin.
I am Jewish national American and Latvian citizen with Russian cultural background and native language.
I am Human from planet Earth and all the rest irrelevant to me.
So lets have Peace on planet Earth.

White/Black animosity? Black people didn't start this ish, we've been trying to fight for equal treatment. Just so you know a great partnership once existed between Julius Rosenwald and Booker T. Washington. A Jewish man and a Black Man did great things together.

Julius Rosenwald and Booker T. Washington

During the summer of 1910, Rosenwald read the autobiography of the great black educator Booker T. Washington, and was strongly affected. Within a year, Rosenwald and Washington were building a relationship that included visits to each other’s homes. Rosenwald’s first speech introducing the educator to Chicago’s business leaders described Washington as “helping his own race to attain the high art of self-help and self-dependence” while simultaneously “helping the white race to learn that opportunity and obligation go hand in hand, and that there is no enduring superiority save that which comes as the result of serving.”

In 1912, Rosenwald made a dramatic entry into large-scale philanthropy. He announced he would be celebrating his 50th birthday by giving away close to $700,000 (about $16 million in current dollars), and encouraged other wealthy individuals to support good causes of their own. “Give While You Live,” was his slogan.

One of Rosenwald’s birthday gifts was $25,000 to Washington’s Tuskegee Institute. Washington shrewdly set aside part of it to launch a new experiment which he expected might interest his donor—a $2,100 effort to build new schools in parts of Alabama where little or no education was being offered to rural blacks. Washington documented progress on the schools with photos and careful accounting, including descriptions of the community enthusiasm the erection of the new schools created among locals of all races. Pride in the fresh facilities often overflowed into newly painted houses, improved roads, and expanded cooperation among residents.

Rosenwald was captivated. During this Jim Crow era, the educational offerings to African Americans, and many residents of the rural South in general, were miserably inadequate. Soon he and Washington were ramping up the program, eventually building schools all across the South over more than 20 years. There were correlated efforts to train teachers to serve in the new schools, and funds to provide libraries and workshops for students. These facilities would never have materialized absent this aggressive philanthropy, and they had both immediate and deeply enduring effects.

By 1932, the year Julius died, an astonishing 4,977 Rosenwald schools, and 380 complementary buildings, had been erected in every Southern locale with a significant black population. Fully 35 percent of all black children in the South (and 27 percent of black children period) were educated that year in a Rosenwald school. America would be a very different, and lesser, nation absent this philanthropic inspiration (which outflanked a scandalous dereliction of duty by a variety of governments).

The racial struggles of this country are deep and at the heart of a lot of issues. Finally dealing with these issues would go a long way towards making this country even greater. You could learn a lot from Julius Rosenwald's example.

http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/almanac/hall_of_fame/julius_rosenwald

blkexec wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Assange: Next Release Of 100,000 Clinton Docs Will Finish Hillary
http://yournewswire.com/assange-next-release-of-100000-clinton-docs-will-finish-hillary/

small quote:

We have tens of thousands, possibly as many as a hundred thousand, pages of documents of different types, related to the operations that Hillary Clinton is associated with, the WikiLeaks founder said in a radio interview with Sean Hannity.

There are some, several … in response to the DNC publications, a lot of people have been inspired by the impact, and so they have stepped forward with additional material.

Good to hear that more people are coming forward.

So for the Trump supporters.....Are Clinton supporters suppose to believe that Trump doesn't have a similar crooked email traffic? We are talking about a guy who refuses to release his taxes. Just think for a second, if Trump released his taxes...and the Govt released his deleted emails, will Trump supporters still follow? Yes.....Because it's deepers than Hillary's emails.

I wouldn't say I'm a Trump supporter - I am deathly afraid of what is going to happen if Clinton "wins" the election.
For sure he has a checkered past, supposed mafia connections, big mouth, etc. And with all that, I still want him over Clinton by a factor of 10 or more.

The emails were hacked while on her server, that much we know. Time will tell what the damage is. But the laws are clear, if any of us did something similar we'd be in prison.
The Secretary of State having private emails that were hacked (for years) not affecting the US? That is a statistical impossibility. And she had it professionally covered up.
Luckily the guy who did the disk scrubbing was given immunity. Hopefully with the next leaks they put her in prison.

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

blkexec wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Assange: Next Release Of 100,000 Clinton Docs Will Finish Hillary
http://yournewswire.com/assange-next-release-of-100000-clinton-docs-will-finish-hillary/

small quote:

We have tens of thousands, possibly as many as a hundred thousand, pages of documents of different types, related to the operations that Hillary Clinton is associated with, the WikiLeaks founder said in a radio interview with Sean Hannity.

There are some, several … in response to the DNC publications, a lot of people have been inspired by the impact, and so they have stepped forward with additional material.

Good to hear that more people are coming forward.

So for the Trump supporters.....Are Clinton supporters suppose to believe that Trump doesn't have a similar crooked email traffic? We are talking about a guy who refuses to release his taxes. Just think for a second, if Trump released his taxes...and the Govt released his deleted emails, will Trump supporters still follow? Yes.....Because it's deepers than Hillary's emails.

Emails that jeopardize our national security?

Which of Hillary's emails actually jeopardized U.S. Security? So far nothing that has been reported has been shown to do that. In Theory it could've happened but there's been nothing brought forth to this point.

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

arkrud wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Jesus people. Learn some History.

REDNECKS

The origins of this term Redneck are Scottish and refer to supporters of the National Covenant and The Solemn League and Covenant, or "Covenanters", largely Lowland Presbyterians, many of whom would flee Scotland for Ulster (Northern Ireland) during persecutions by the British Crown. The Covenanters of 1638 and 1641 signed the documents that stated that Scotland desired the Presbyterian form of church government and would not accept the Church of England as its official state church.

Many Covenanters signed in their own blood and wore red pieces of cloth around their necks as distinctive insignia; hence the term "Red neck", (rednecks) which became slang for a Scottish dissenter*. One Scottish immigrant, interviewed by the author, remembered a Presbyterian minister, one Dr. Coulter, in Glasgow in the 1940's wearing a red clerical collar -- is this symbolic of the "rednecks"?

Since many Ulster-Scottish settlers in America (especially the South) were Presbyterian, the term was applied to them, and then, later, their Southern descendants. One of the earliest examples of its use comes from 1830, when an author noted that "red-neck" was a "name bestowed upon the Presbyterians." It makes you wonder if the originators of the ever-present "redneck" joke are aware of the term’s origins - Rednecks?

*Another term for Presbyterians in Ireland was a "Blackmouth". Members of the Church of Ireland (Anglicans) used this as a slur, referring to the fact that one could tell a Presbyterian by the black stains around his mouth from eating blackberries while at secret, illegal Presbyterian Church Services in the countryside.

CRACKER

Another Ulster-Scot term, a "cracker" was a person who talked and boasted, and "craic" (Crack) is a term still used in Scotland and Ireland to describe "talking", chat or conversation in a social sense ("Let’s go down to the pub and have a craic"; "what's the craic"). The term, first used to describe a southerner of Ulster-Scottish background, later became a nickname for any white southerner, especially those who were uneducated.

And while not an exclusively Southern term, but rather referring in general to all Americans, the origins of this word are related to the other three.

http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/rednecks/rednecks.html

Nixluva--its a derogatory word used towards white people--no?

No.
This is just a term for people who work hard under the sun.
It sounds as derogatory word only for people who think that hard physical labor is only for slaves.
Like for example professor cannot be red-neck...

And that's how all these racial slurs started. Like Chink-Ching Dynasty and working on the railroads

I deal with FACTS. Now over time many words take on new meanings and are used differently or viewed differently by a new generation of people, however the origin of terms is what I presented and it's important to know this.

There are many FACTS which contradict each other.
You just pick up FACTS which prove your point and disregard all that disprove.
This called demagogy. Its an old art of speech and politics invented in Ancient Greece.
Bad facts can be found about any group of population but in FACT they do not prove anything.
One always demands objectivity to the group he belongs and always subjective to the groups he did not.
Human nature...

You're wrong! See my post above! I'm very much in touch with the facts in this country. My people have been here BEFORE this became a country. I'm not your typical person that doesn't know his family's history in this country. I try to get to the bottom of topics I comment on and present as much detail as possible using reliable sources.

Yes there is bad information out there presented as fact but I would challenge you to prove my sources are not accurate or that my lived experience is not true. The pics I posted above back up my statements. Look at one of the flags on the back of the trucks and you can see it proudly says Redneck on it. If you go to Rural areas during a festival you will see tons of this. I know cuz I live in the South.

Nix relax. You are always right and whoever is arguing with you is wrong.. just because he is stupid enough to argue...
And do not derail any conversation into race and AA issues.
I know this are most important topics to you but not to everyone.
I have just academical outsider interest in this.
As you know I came here just 20 years back and all you white/black animosity means nothing to me.
I am not taking sides in this issue as I do not belong to any of this group even you want me to be white because of the color of my skin.
I am Jewish national American and Latvian citizen with Russian cultural background and native language.
I am Human from planet Earth and all the rest irrelevant to me.
So lets have Peace on planet Earth.

White/Black animosity? Black people didn't start this ish, we've been trying to fight for equal treatment. Just so you know a great partnership once existed between Julius Rosenwald and Booker T. Washington. A Jewish man and a Black Man did great things together.

Julius Rosenwald and Booker T. Washington

During the summer of 1910, Rosenwald read the autobiography of the great black educator Booker T. Washington, and was strongly affected. Within a year, Rosenwald and Washington were building a relationship that included visits to each other’s homes. Rosenwald’s first speech introducing the educator to Chicago’s business leaders described Washington as “helping his own race to attain the high art of self-help and self-dependence” while simultaneously “helping the white race to learn that opportunity and obligation go hand in hand, and that there is no enduring superiority save that which comes as the result of serving.”

In 1912, Rosenwald made a dramatic entry into large-scale philanthropy. He announced he would be celebrating his 50th birthday by giving away close to $700,000 (about $16 million in current dollars), and encouraged other wealthy individuals to support good causes of their own. “Give While You Live,” was his slogan.

One of Rosenwald’s birthday gifts was $25,000 to Washington’s Tuskegee Institute. Washington shrewdly set aside part of it to launch a new experiment which he expected might interest his donor—a $2,100 effort to build new schools in parts of Alabama where little or no education was being offered to rural blacks. Washington documented progress on the schools with photos and careful accounting, including descriptions of the community enthusiasm the erection of the new schools created among locals of all races. Pride in the fresh facilities often overflowed into newly painted houses, improved roads, and expanded cooperation among residents.

Rosenwald was captivated. During this Jim Crow era, the educational offerings to African Americans, and many residents of the rural South in general, were miserably inadequate. Soon he and Washington were ramping up the program, eventually building schools all across the South over more than 20 years. There were correlated efforts to train teachers to serve in the new schools, and funds to provide libraries and workshops for students. These facilities would never have materialized absent this aggressive philanthropy, and they had both immediate and deeply enduring effects.

By 1932, the year Julius died, an astonishing 4,977 Rosenwald schools, and 380 complementary buildings, had been erected in every Southern locale with a significant black population. Fully 35 percent of all black children in the South (and 27 percent of black children period) were educated that year in a Rosenwald school. America would be a very different, and lesser, nation absent this philanthropic inspiration (which outflanked a scandalous dereliction of duty by a variety of governments).

The racial struggles of this country are deep and at the heart of a lot of issues. Finally dealing with these issues would go a long way towards making this country even greater. You could learn a lot from Julius Rosenwald's example.

http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/almanac/hall_of_fame/julius_rosenwald

OK
Will read some of this when time permit.
Good luck in your fight.
The truth is always win at the end.
Just conversion time can be longer that the lifetime.
So take it easy.

earthmansurfer wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

blkexec wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Assange: Next Release Of 100,000 Clinton Docs Will Finish Hillary
http://yournewswire.com/assange-next-release-of-100000-clinton-docs-will-finish-hillary/

small quote:

We have tens of thousands, possibly as many as a hundred thousand, pages of documents of different types, related to the operations that Hillary Clinton is associated with, the WikiLeaks founder said in a radio interview with Sean Hannity.

There are some, several … in response to the DNC publications, a lot of people have been inspired by the impact, and so they have stepped forward with additional material.

Good to hear that more people are coming forward.

So for the Trump supporters.....Are Clinton supporters suppose to believe that Trump doesn't have a similar crooked email traffic? We are talking about a guy who refuses to release his taxes. Just think for a second, if Trump released his taxes...and the Govt released his deleted emails, will Trump supporters still follow? Yes.....Because it's deepers than Hillary's emails.

Emails that jeopardize our national security?

Which of Hillary's emails actually jeopardized U.S. Security? So far nothing that has been reported has been shown to do that. In Theory it could've happened but there's been nothing brought forth to this point.

That's a great question. Everyone always says the other political party is compromising national security. There has to be some burden of proof to show that this actually happened.

When emails are classified as secret or top secret, by definition they can compromise (national) security. We are talking the Secretary of State. Not a small town Mayor.
She CLEARLY put lives at risk and what this all amounts to as far as overall US security going forward is a bit scary. (The following is months old and the email leaks have gotten worse in that time and more are on the way.)
(Read these in order)
http://observer.com/2015/10/hillarys-email-troubles-are-far-from-over/
http://observer.com/2016/02/breaking-hillary-clinton-put-spies-lives-at-risk/

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:I don't think I have mentioned this incredible stat today...

Politifact fact checked 650 statements over 465 days of the campaign..Trump spoke the truth 2.53% of the times and lied 60.13% of the times..

For some reason that stat sounds like an impossibility.

Here is something much more concerning. Clinton Body Count - http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.php#axzz4Jw2BdLtg
And this doctor presents a compelling case that she has Parkinsons:

No thanks..I won't be roped into the stuff that appears on right winged websites..When a legit news media picks this up with some facts behind it, look me up, I'll be more than happy to comment at that point...