misterearl wrote:Poverty

Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, armed themselves with guns and bombs and shot people inside Columbine high school. They killed 13 and wounded 23 before killing themselves.

Again. Do not make one madman tale the story for all people.

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

misterearl wrote:arkrud and gonygo - please stop with the stereotypical descriptions. Family is the most important thing to everyone.

Every single person.

When people refer to family structure, they are talking about the nuclear family, a couple and their dependent children, it is as a basic social unit. It takes two committed parents, working hard and sacrificing for their children with cultural norms establishing direction and guidance from birth. In all those other minorities mentioned, education is stressed and monitored. It is not a sterotype to say that there has been a degradation of nuclear familes in black communities where the out of wedlock birthrate among blacks is 72% resulting in a preponderance of single parent households with many reliance on welfare. Study after study show that people of all races with high rates of out of wedlock births suffer higher unemployment and higher crime rates and black author Tom Sowell has cited this in his studies as a prime driver for the disprpotinate crime rates and income levels of blacks. The cultural norm that accept bearing children without benefit of marriage-72%- and absent fathers is a major issue facing black America going forward and needs to recognized and addressed by the black community to change and escape a culture of poverty for so many

Cool, we'll just keep getting shot and suffer injustice until you feel like we've cleaned our act up enough for you to stop pertifogging the issue and actually giving a damn. Hope your age-old anecdotes about how we are the worst ethnic group gets you to sleep at night.

Childish response. I would not be surprised if I've volunteered more in poor black communities that you have, it's not to cleanse my soul but to simply help. Started in hs and the younger generation of family continues the tradition of volunteering to the less fortunate. Just last month my nephew collected alot of used lax equipment that is quite expensive to donate to Harlem Lacrosse in addition to teaching the sport. I cite a serious and pertinent issue backed by facts that undermine black communities and do so not to the exclusion or dismissal of other points. You should not limit the scope of contributing factors if you want to make true progress

Blakcs don't benifit from poor family structure, poor education, and division. So if these are the issues permitting blacks from advancing why do you believe that blacks choose to ignore these issues.

Your question gets to the crux of accountabilty. Do you think out of wedlock births is something within a person's control and can be reduced? Do you think it would be better for children to be raised in a nuclear family than by a single parent ?Do you think the learning environment can be improved by disciplining or removing unruly kids from the classroom ? Do you think that it is better to take a job that affords growth potential even if it may pay less than welfare?

Question wasn't answered.

There is no end game to blaming the white man. There is no reward for blacks at the end of it. In theory claiming there is no white privilege could be viewed as a hustle because the white man would actually benefit from white privilege. So to claim it doesn't exist would in fact benefit said white person.

I want to play with theory. Blacks as a whole don't benefit from poor education(which may lead to crime), single parent families(which may lead to crime), or crime. On the other hand government in theory could benefit from crime through profit. People can invest in prisons. If you invest in a prison your whole purpose in that investment is for people to go to jail in order to make profit. And in theory its possible for government to do everything in its power to maximize profit.

To say blacks aren't accountable would be inaccurate. We are accountable with our lives. Blacks who aren't educated usually end up in jail and or dead. And blacks who are educated have to be far superior then their peers in their fields in order to kill stereotypes and move up the ladder. So in theory blacks choose jail and death over education and family values. Even though it doesn't benefit us in any way. All so we could blame the white man at the end of the day and avoid accountability. Which we are held to regardless due to poverty, jail, death. And government would like nothing more then to not make profit over crime but are forced to due to blacks criminality. Then you see stats like blacks being put in jail at a higher rate for the same crimes. Which leads to accountability, but where is the accountability for the other races? Which leads to the possibility of white privilege and profit being made off of a race of people who have been thrown in jail at an alarming rate.

Since we are on about accountability though. Where was the accountability for the Stanford rapist? Which "jail will have a negative effect on his future"(Then think about the rate of blacks thrown in jail and thrown in jail for same crimes as other races or lesser crimes then rape). Or the accountability for Zimmerman who followed, engaged, and murdered an unarmed 17 yr old boy by his own instigation. Or the countless cases of police brutality going all the way back to 1960s before hip hop culture could be blamed. Or a accountability for a justice system which everyone admits has been messed up for YEARS. Or corrupt majority white politicians, judges, police forces etc etc etc for yrs upon yrs upon yrs.

Blacks need to hold themselves accountable. Yet a majority white, educated, and professional government sure are quick to point the finger and take no responsibility. If our leaders and people in position of power aren't willing to accept any real responsibility or hold themselves accountable even though they are more educated, dedicated professionals in there fields and in positions of power. How can we expect civilians to? How about using these positions of power to demonstrate what accountability is all about.

The only accountability which matter is to yourself.
In fact man has no other. All other accountability is a lie.

So Philando Castile who worked for public education, complied with the law when pulled over and murdered in his car by a scared police officer. Died because he didn't hold himself accountable enough.

If he did until the moment he died he is fine.
The people who lived watching him die are not.
Now we all accountable to our-self.

How is he fine when he is dead(I'm guessing you misspoke). I doubt procedure leads to this type of outcome. So the cop didn't follow procedure. He didn't hold himself accountable to follow procedure. Now a civilian is dead. Neither did the cops who killed Sterling.

Seems to me lack of accountability leads to jail or death for one group. While it leads to???? for the other.

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

misterearl wrote:arkrud and gonygo - please stop with the stereotypical descriptions. Family is the most important thing to everyone.

Every single person.

When people refer to family structure, they are talking about the nuclear family, a couple and their dependent children, it is as a basic social unit. It takes two committed parents, working hard and sacrificing for their children with cultural norms establishing direction and guidance from birth. In all those other minorities mentioned, education is stressed and monitored. It is not a sterotype to say that there has been a degradation of nuclear familes in black communities where the out of wedlock birthrate among blacks is 72% resulting in a preponderance of single parent households with many reliance on welfare. Study after study show that people of all races with high rates of out of wedlock births suffer higher unemployment and higher crime rates and black author Tom Sowell has cited this in his studies as a prime driver for the disprpotinate crime rates and income levels of blacks. The cultural norm that accept bearing children without benefit of marriage-72%- and absent fathers is a major issue facing black America going forward and needs to recognized and addressed by the black community to change and escape a culture of poverty for so many

Cool, we'll just keep getting shot and suffer injustice until you feel like we've cleaned our act up enough for you to stop pertifogging the issue and actually giving a damn. Hope your age-old anecdotes about how we are the worst ethnic group gets you to sleep at night.

Childish response. I would not be surprised if I've volunteered more in poor black communities that you have, it's not to cleanse my soul but to simply help. Started in hs and the younger generation of family continues the tradition of volunteering to the less fortunate. Just last month my nephew collected alot of used lax equipment that is quite expensive to donate to Harlem Lacrosse in addition to teaching the sport. I cite a serious and pertinent issue backed by facts that undermine black communities and do so not to the exclusion or dismissal of other points. You should not limit the scope of contributing factors if you want to make true progress

Blakcs don't benifit from poor family structure, poor education, and division. So if these are the issues permitting blacks from advancing why do you believe that blacks choose to ignore these issues.

Your question gets to the crux of accountabilty. Do you think out of wedlock births is something within a person's control and can be reduced? Do you think it would be better for children to be raised in a nuclear family than by a single parent ?Do you think the learning environment can be improved by disciplining or removing unruly kids from the classroom ? Do you think that it is better to take a job that affords growth potential even if it may pay less than welfare?

Question wasn't answered.

There is no end game to blaming the white man. There is no reward for blacks at the end of it. In theory claiming there is no white privilege could be viewed as a hustle because the white man would actually benefit from white privilege. So to claim it doesn't exist would in fact benefit said white person.

I want to play with theory. Blacks as a whole don't benefit from poor education(which may lead to crime), single parent families(which may lead to crime), or crime. On the other hand government in theory could benefit from crime through profit. People can invest in prisons. If you invest in a prison your whole purpose in that investment is for people to go to jail in order to make profit. And in theory its possible for government to do everything in its power to maximize profit.

To say blacks aren't accountable would be inaccurate. We are accountable with our lives. Blacks who aren't educated usually end up in jail and or dead. And blacks who are educated have to be far superior then their peers in their fields in order to kill stereotypes and move up the ladder. So in theory blacks choose jail and death over education and family values. Even though it doesn't benefit us in any way. All so we could blame the white man at the end of the day and avoid accountability. Which we are held to regardless due to poverty, jail, death. And government would like nothing more then to not make profit over crime but are forced to due to blacks criminality. Then you see stats like blacks being put in jail at a higher rate for the same crimes. Which leads to accountability, but where is the accountability for the other races? Which leads to the possibility of white privilege and profit being made off of a race of people who have been thrown in jail at an alarming rate.

Since we are on about accountability though. Where was the accountability for the Stanford rapist? Which "jail will have a negative effect on his future"(Then think about the rate of blacks thrown in jail and thrown in jail for same crimes as other races or lesser crimes then rape). Or the accountability for Zimmerman who followed, engaged, and murdered an unarmed 17 yr old boy by his own instigation. Or the countless cases of police brutality going all the way back to 1960s before hip hop culture could be blamed. Or a accountability for a justice system which everyone admits has been messed up for YEARS. Or corrupt majority white politicians, judges, police forces etc etc etc for yrs upon yrs upon yrs.

Blacks need to hold themselves accountable. Yet a majority white, educated, and professional government sure are quick to point the finger and take no responsibility. If our leaders and people in position of power aren't willing to accept any real responsibility or hold themselves accountable even though they are more educated, dedicated professionals in there fields and in positions of power. How can we expect civilians to? How about using these positions of power to demonstrate what accountability is all about.

The only accountability which matter is to yourself.
In fact man has no other. All other accountability is a lie.

So Philando Castile who worked for public education, complied with the law when pulled over and murdered in his car by a scared police officer. Died because he didn't hold himself accountable enough.

If he did until the moment he died he is fine.
The people who lived watching him die are not.
Now we all accountable to our-self.

How is he fine when he is dead(I'm guessing you misspoke). I doubt procedure leads to this type of outcome. So the cop didn't follow procedure. He didn't hold himself accountable to follow procedure. Now a civilian is dead. Neither did the cops who killed Sterling.

Seems to me lack of accountability leads to jail or death for one group. While it leads to???? for the other.

I absolutely agree with you that the cop who kill him should be accountable and prosecuted according to the law.
The low enforcement system and by proxy executive power leaded by president should be accountable too.
Lets see how it will work itself out.
But no other people including killed in Dallas should be accountable.

misterearl wrote:

arkrud wrote:

misterearl wrote:BS

mekoanyk - Higher propensity?

I have been in jail twice but never in prison. Is should not be taken as a racist statement to point out the factual reality that there has been a much higher propensity of blacks to commit violent crimes than whites or any group which is the bulk of prison sentences and that account for at least some of the observed racial disparities in prison populations.

Care to cite facts?

Higher "propensity" than the Charleston church butcher dylann roof, Aurora CO movie mass killer James E. Holmes, Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, and Sandy Hook elementary school (ELEMENTARY SCHOOL) mass killer Adam Lanza?

Educating people is tiring.

You did not like when black people are generalized but you like to generalize white people.
It is sad to see education in hate.

arkrud - no generalization. Those are the facts to refute meloannyk's "propensity" remark.

If you cannot comprehend the context, stay out of it.

Can you explain what "education in hate" is? The truth is a scary thing for a reason. It challenges privilege.

MisterEarl needs to understand math --13% of population and 52% of homicides . Sad but true

meloanyk wrote:

misterearl wrote:

arkrud wrote:

misterearl wrote:BS

mekoanyk - Higher propensity?

I have been in jail twice but never in prison. Is should not be taken as a racist statement to point out the factual reality that there has been a much higher propensity of blacks to commit violent crimes than whites or any group which is the bulk of prison sentences and that account for at least some of the observed racial disparities in prison populations.

Care to cite facts?

Higher "propensity" than the Charleston church butcher dylann roof, Aurora CO movie mass killer James E. Holmes, Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, and Sandy Hook elementary school (ELEMENTARY SCHOOL) mass killer Adam Lanza?

Educating people is tiring.

You did not like when black people are generalized but you like to generalize white people.
It is sad to see education in hate.

arkrud - no generalization. Those are the facts to refute meloannyk's "propensity" remark.

If you cannot comprehend the context, stay out of it.

Can you explain what "education in hate" is? The truth is a scary thing for a reason. It challenges privilege.

MisterEarl needs to understand math --13% of population and 52% of homicides . Sad but true

President Obama on ABC National Conversation two days ago acknowledging such

http://abcnews.go.com/US/watch-milwaukee-police-chief-edward-flynn-talk-obama/story?id=40594716

holfresh wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

misterearl wrote:

arkrud wrote:

misterearl wrote:BS

mekoanyk - Higher propensity?

I have been in jail twice but never in prison. Is should not be taken as a racist statement to point out the factual reality that there has been a much higher propensity of blacks to commit violent crimes than whites or any group which is the bulk of prison sentences and that account for at least some of the observed racial disparities in prison populations.

Care to cite facts?

Higher "propensity" than the Charleston church butcher dylann roof, Aurora CO movie mass killer James E. Holmes, Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, and Sandy Hook elementary school (ELEMENTARY SCHOOL) mass killer Adam Lanza?

Educating people is tiring.

You did not like when black people are generalized but you like to generalize white people.
It is sad to see education in hate.

arkrud - no generalization. Those are the facts to refute meloannyk's "propensity" remark.

If you cannot comprehend the context, stay out of it.

Can you explain what "education in hate" is? The truth is a scary thing for a reason. It challenges privilege.

MisterEarl needs to understand math --13% of population and 52% of homicides . Sad but true

"Sad but true" if to be believed... Brooklyn DA Ken Thompson since taking over in 2014 has overturn 20 wrongful murder convictions.
http://brooklynda.org/conviction-review-unit/

There is a current investigation in his office where one police officer, Louis Scarcella, has 50 questionable to framed cases currently being reviewed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/nyregion/brooklyn-district-attorney-overturns-conviction-in-1989-murder.html?_r=0

Mr. Fleming’s is one of dozens of wrongful-conviction cases that the new Brooklyn district attorney, Kenneth P. Thompson, inherited when he took office this year. The office is also combing through 50 cases that a detective, Louis Scarcella, who has been accused of using illegal tactics to frame suspects, was involved in; Mr. Scarcella was not part of Mr. Fleming’s case.

I wonder if these investigations were extrapolated across the country what that 52% figure would really look like...

holfresh wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

misterearl wrote:

arkrud wrote:

misterearl wrote:BS

mekoanyk - Higher propensity?

I have been in jail twice but never in prison. Is should not be taken as a racist statement to point out the factual reality that there has been a much higher propensity of blacks to commit violent crimes than whites or any group which is the bulk of prison sentences and that account for at least some of the observed racial disparities in prison populations.

Care to cite facts?

Higher "propensity" than the Charleston church butcher dylann roof, Aurora CO movie mass killer James E. Holmes, Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, and Sandy Hook elementary school (ELEMENTARY SCHOOL) mass killer Adam Lanza?

Educating people is tiring.

You did not like when black people are generalized but you like to generalize white people.
It is sad to see education in hate.

arkrud - no generalization. Those are the facts to refute meloannyk's "propensity" remark.

If you cannot comprehend the context, stay out of it.

Can you explain what "education in hate" is? The truth is a scary thing for a reason. It challenges privilege.

MisterEarl needs to understand math --13% of population and 52% of homicides . Sad but true

"Sad but true" if to be believed... Brooklyn DA Ken Thompson since taking over in 2014 has overturn 20 wrongful murder convictions.
http://brooklynda.org/conviction-review-unit/

There is a current investigation in his office where one police officer, Louis Scarcella, has 50 questionable to framed cases currently being reviewed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/nyregion/brooklyn-district-attorney-overturns-conviction-in-1989-murder.html?_r=0

Mr. Fleming’s is one of dozens of wrongful-conviction cases that the new Brooklyn district attorney, Kenneth P. Thompson, inherited when he took office this year. The office is also combing through 50 cases that a detective, Louis Scarcella, who has been accused of using illegal tactics to frame suspects, was involved in; Mr. Scarcella was not part of Mr. Fleming’s case.

I wonder if these investigations were extrapolated across the country what that 52% figure would really look like...
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Thank you for sharing , that is very disturbing and nauseating to say the least

newyorknewyork wrote:Great job by Melo.

These athletes though need to pool money together and find ways to put some things in place to create and fund the needed change. My suggestion would be creating businesses like supermarkets, housing, medical practices, mechanics etc.. in highly populated urban areas. Use there fame and visibility to promote the support of these specific businesses from the population. With the purpose of doing so not to make certain people rich. But to use profits to reinvest in the community and develop and fund low cost or free (if possible) private schools and after school programs. Developing children from day care to 6th grade. The police force should be highly involved with the private schools to gain familiarity with the children and families. The hope would be the the children would become that when they reach middle school level there test scores would excel and force a raise in funding for public schools. If possible though to generate enough money where private schooling could be through high school level even better. Then the hope would be to generate more educated and college ready children who can become the leaders of urban communities like mayors and police commish, judges, governors etc.. among other things.

In America we have

A majority white police force
majority white judicial demographic
majority white government
majority white Tv and news networks
Basically all real decision makers, positions of power, are majority white

Can we really expect this layout to have the best interest of blacks in America who they don't relate to over favoring who they do relate to? The results are what they are. African American children being tried as adults more then any other race for the same crimes. The African American image and history inaccurately portrayed.

Sure with enough constant fighting and some band aids will be put in place. But the truth of the matter is African Americans need to use the freedom we do have to establish our own.

new york

74% of the entire population of the United States is white and its lower than it was. That means white people will have a dominant number or role in almost any category by sheer volume

In the last 20 years African Americans have held the ABSOLUTE highest job titles in the Unites States from President to Attorney General Joint Chief of Staff Secretary of State. The United States police force is made up of 13% African American (the same as the African American population) and 80% white police officers (slightly higher than the 73% population) There is thousands of African American police officers who hold high title in their respective jobs.

African Americans committed 52 percent of homicides between 1980 and 2008, despite composing just 13 percent of the population. Across the same timeframe, whites committed 45 percent of homicides while composing 77% of the population, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Worse 93% of all African American deaths by homicide were committed by other African Americans

Cops killed nearly twice as many whites as blacks in 2015. According to data compiled by The Washington Post, 50 percent of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, while 26 percent were black. If you look at the overall crime rate the amount of white deaths by police exponentially higher.

Do African Americans think that white people are happy when pulled over by a police officer? That they dont fear some kind of strange repercussion? Its scary to be pulled over at any time for any reason.

I was watching TV last night and I saw something that prompted me to post this. I saw a young African American woman stating that this was today's modern day lynching by white people. That was awful on so many fronts. First ordinary white citizens had no role killing anyone. Its a disgrace and embarrassment to compare what happened to African Americans 60-70+ years ago who WERE at their time so wrongfully treated. You can live anywhere you want go anywhere you want and do anything you want as an African American today without fear of any harm. You can be want you want to be in the United States--nothing holds you back. Can a white person walk through a minority housing project without the same fear?

I think some common sense needs to be applied. Police officers hold a very high stress job that puts their life in danger on a daily basis. Their internal fear will be locked on to those who they will most likely have to deal with. Your sense and actions go on fight or flight. I would say African Americans could really help themselves by taking more responsibility for their actions on whole. If you are disproportionately committing crime common sense is that police will be on a higher guard against you as a whole. And at the end of the day there are going to be a small % of some not so nice police but I dont think thats the major problem.

An overwhelming majority of white people dont sit around the table thinking or talking in any derogatory way towards the African American race. The majority of people that I have been associated whether my family my friends my co workers from the past dont talk or think anything like that. The people I know know are kind and caring and would wish harm on no one. I have not been sheltered from African Americans in my life---I grew up next door to really great people who happened to be African American who I have enjoyed relations with for my 47 years of life on this Earth. Did I see some other white people saying some and doing derogatory things towards them growing up---YES but the majority not only did not but would always have their backs.

In conclusion--there will be some racism on this Earth and those who are willing to be part of that--thats on them--that doesnt represent anywhere near the majority--I can accept that. Unfortunately any race is subject to an encounter to a person with a gun who has authority to potentially use it--we can hope that we can figure out to continue how to minimize that as a whole. The one thing that African American can do as a whole is to help their communities out by not committing violent crime on each other. The high crime rate--the VIOLENT crime rate is the conduit to problems with police--not an ideology.

I have been in jail twice but never in prison. Is should not be taken as a racist statement to point out the factual reality that there has been a much higher propensity of blacks to commit violent crimes than whites or any group which is the bulk of prison sentences and that account for at least some of the observed racial disparities in prison populations.

There is big difference between using the word "propensity" and "percentage".

I have no argument with the higher percentages cited as reality. Even as holfresh pointed out, there are systematic reasons why even this data can be questioned. I just question whether it is fair this data is interpreted as a "propensity of blacks".

The definition of propensity is "an inclination or natural tendency to behave in a particular way". This word choice signifies criminal stereotypes of African-Americans to me.

I've tried to provide some context around this in my posts to try to get folks to see it from my side as a black man who has never spent a day in jail or prison. I know about individual responsibility and I'm not in a minority — or part of some elite talented tenth — but part of a not-so-silent majority of black people. Every "comply with the cops" message from parents to children is a cold lesson in personal responsibility and I personally headed my mother's lessons well.

What Bill Cosby said was only notable because of his fame and white folks aren't used to hearing these messages. But us black folks talk about this all the time. Obama says stuff like this all the time. I don't abide nonsense arguments like black folks have let Obama down because we didn't figure out how to inoculate our communities from devastating wealth loss in the Recession or overcome hundreds of years of history in 7. And by what criteria? Questionable percentage numbers and our current image in the media?

And I also fear misterearl's koans of outrage get interpreted as hate. Earl is also questioning assumptions and perceptions. "Outrage" and "hate" are also two different words.

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:CNN is reporting that 3 cops were shot dead and 7 in critical condition in Baton Rouge LA. Awful.

Just going to cause more problems--solves absolutely nothing. If you thought a police officer was on guard before--what do you think will happen now?

This country has a lot of problems. Until there is no longer a profit motive for some to keep Americans divided and in fear, nothing will change.

holfresh wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

misterearl wrote:FACTORIAL

The disparities appear to be even starker for unarmed suspects, according to an analysis of 2015 police killings by the Guardian. Racial minorities made up about 37.4 percent of the general population in the US and 46.6 percent of armed and unarmed victims, but they made up 62.7 percent of unarmed people killed by police.

More than half of murders, rapes, robberies, aggravated assaults, burglaries, and fraud in US are committed by black Americans.
African Americans represent 13% of population.
http://civilrightsmovement.net/us-crime-statistics-by-race/
I know that there are unfortunate historical reasons for this.
But it clearly explains why law enforcement is getting into conflict and killing black people more that anybody else.

I had to come out of retirement for this one...Maybe you and CashMoney, who claims he works in the Criminal Justice system but goes to a Financial website to get stats on Crime, need a few pointers on where to find stats to support your arguments...

According to the FBI, the people who are responsible for gathering these stats, as of 2014:

1. Whites in America commits 69.4% of all crime versus 27.8% by blacks
2. Whites in America commits 59.4% of all violent crimes versus 37.7% by blacks..Cash Money had non-whites including blacks committing 90% of all violent crimes...

According to a study by the Washington Post, Unarmed blacks are 7 times as likely to killed by police than unarmed whites...SEVEN TIMES!!!!

In 2015, The Post documented 990 fatal shootings by police, 93 of which involved people who were unarmed. Black men accounted for about 40 percent of the unarmed people fatally shot by police and, when adjusted by population, were seven times as likely as unarmed white men to die from police gunfire, The Post found.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-43
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/study-finds-police-fatally-shoot-unarmed-black-men-at-disproportionate-rates/2016/04/06/e494563e-fa74-11e5-80e4-c381214de1a3_story.html

What does a financial website have to do with anything? Reporting is reporting. I do indeed work in the Criminal Justice system. I can give you my shield number and command if you like, just send me a message.

I'll appease you so here you go..... http://newobserveronline.com/90-nonwhite-violent-crime-rate-fbi/

The bottom line is that we can all go back and forth on crime stats and BS from here to the end of time but things won't change until we can all look at each other and simply refer to each other as people!

Whenever you watch the news it's never "Police killed a man today" it's "Police killed a black man today."

So called movements like "Black Lives Matter" do nothing than add fuel to the fire. "Black Lives Matter" only when the person doing the killing is a white police officer and the person being killed is black. The fact is 90% of black people are killed by other black people! Where in the hell is Black Lives Matter on this issue? Why not start an organization called White Lives Matter and concentrate on black people who kill white people? That would be considered racist wouldn't it? Would this do nothing more than create a larger gap in the racial divide? Ignoring the fact that over 80% of whites are killed other whites would be a moot point wouldn't it? It would be simply labeled a racist movement by white people wouldn't it?

None of this crap stops until we as people stand up and say enough is enough. Not black people, Hispanic people, white people, etc. Just we as people, regardless of race, religion or creed.

I highly doubt that I will see this day nor do I feel my child will see this day but I do believe this day will come. I judge people based on who they are as people not by the color of their skin. I teach my child to do the same. I hope that there are others out there like me who call BS, BS who will teach their children the same until the day comes when a spade is able to be called a spade. Only when people who are held in high regard in their communities preach this nothing will change and it will continue to be "us" vs "them."

As the late and great MLK once said......

"When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"

LET'S GO KNICKS!!!!!!!!!!

It's interesting that the stats I presented is completely opposite to the stats you initially recorded, and now, after posting the same stats I have posted, you some how you draw the same conclusion as before...

Just to answer a few questions you have posted...There are many other community organizations that protest black on black crimes. These protest don't get covered by the press...I personally remember many walks across the Brooklyn Bridge regarding black on black crime..Spike Lee always talks about black on black crime. Press don't cover it...Black lives matter have more traction...But now you want Black Lives Matters to be the black umbrella organization??..In my opinion, the reason you don't see an animated protest against black on black crimes is because when the police capture the assailant, they are often prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law...When a police officer kills a black man, there are often no repercussions...It's a freebee...The criminal justice system protects the police in those instances. So they don't have to practice restraint...Prosecute those officers who commit murder and you won't see protest...But what really gets me is that there are those who are pissed at the community(blacks and whites) protesting being killed by the police at an appalling rate and you are supposed to accept it as the way it is...Insanity...

All groups kill individuals in the community where they live in...90% of black murders are by blacks just like 84% of all white murders are by whites...

Philando Castile, who was killed by the police in Minnesota, was pulled over 52 times since 2002...Half o the charges against him were thrown out in court..

I wanted to expand the response to your post more but I don't have time, just answer me one question...

I was in middle school in Brooklyn, walking home on a half day of school, when I had my first experience with a police officer reaching for his firearm, who told me to stop and don't move...When was the first time a police officer pull a gun on you??..I remember living in Brooklyn and there was a robbery called in at the train station closest to my house..A black plain cloths officer ran to the scene of the crime with his badge around his neck. He was shot by white plain cloths officer...Keep thinking there isn't a problem..

Acknowledging black on black crime is nothing new...

I was 15 when a police officer pulled a gun on me. I was doing the same dumb crap I had being doing up until that point. Hanging out with drug dealers and known criminals always wondering "Why do the cops keep messing with us?" The answer became apparently clear which is why after that event I decided to make changes in my life. I stopped hanging out with "those people" and decided to concentrate on school and getting out of the neighborhood. I voluntarily went to summer school in order to graduate early, studied for my SAT's and applied to colleges outside of New York City. I looked for grants and obtained a small one, took out a butt load of student loans and went away to college. I became a college graduate before I was legally able to drink an alcoholic beverage.

Police have and always will have a stronger presence in neighborhoods with high crime rates. South Queens in the 90's was a freaking war zone. I remember police choppers in the air every night in the summer with the search light on and what my naïve mom though were fireworks constantly going off. I used to get stopped by the cops all the time. Thinking back what did I expect? Young kid in a nice car, limo tints all around where you couldn't see inside, expensive rims and a sound system you could hear 5 blocks away.

What I remember more than anything was my so called friends constantly making fun of me by going the "nerd" route and becoming a "sell out!" Once I left I left. I don't keep in touch with any of the people I grew up with unless Facebook counts. I saw a problem, thought of a solution and went about my business. It's the opportunity everyone has but the problem in this day and age is more people are prone to the "Poor me" mentality than actually doing something to change their situations for the better.

We live in the day and age of entitlement. People want things handed to them but won't work their ass off to get what they want. I am the only college graduate EVER in my family but I won't be the last. I could have easily said "Well, I live in the hood so I might as well sell drugs and impregnate 5 chicks, become a deadbeat and bitch about police messing with me" or go the route that I did.

The truth of the matter, in my opinion, is that we as a society have been brainwashed to accept that there is more than one "race" You're White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, pacific islander, etc. but in reality we all belong to one race.....THE HUMAN RACE!

I never said there wasn't a problem. What I will say is that the "problem" is not as big as the media would like you to think it is. If you live in a high crime area police are going to do what police do.....try to get the problem off the street and into the clink.