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tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

Or they could suffer an injury or have to trade a piece they could use and be the thunder.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

No, you can predict which approaches are more probable to work out - the prediction will be useful in large samples but imperfect. That doesn't mean you should go with a low probability strategy. If it was the reverse - if we had already strong team built around a versatile 23 year old like Harden, other good young players, and lots of cap space, I'm sure you wouldn't look around the NBA and pick the Knicks as *the* team (or even *a* team) whose roster you wish you could switch with.

Depends on what you goal is, some teams will never have the goal of a championship, so they cannot be compared with a team that is trying to reach that goal.

There is no science of how to build a team with a championship goal.

There may be a preference, but there is no PROVEN way.

For instance, the teams with the most combined in rings.... the Celtics and Lakers did it with an amazing amount of talent and very solid coaching and systems, with most recently both teams making major trades that imported such talent.

I could say that's the best way because those teams have the majority or ings.

Based on recent history, the best way to build a championship team is by aquiring big time talent via free agency and trade. Most of these players come to that team as mid-career, prime players. Maybe one of those players started with the team at a young age, but won't win a title until he is well into his prime and joined by other players at the same point in their career. In other words, based on recent championship formulas, you have a higher chance of building a championship with Melo in the mix and adding more high caliber talent at the same career point then building thru the draft, trying to identify a stud, and building from there. Again, that path might be most appealing because its more fun and has many unknown factors, but recent history suggests the odds of building a championship team thru the draft are slim to none. OKC has been the model example of everything going right in a draft for a team over a 3-year period and years later they are still looking for their championship.

ask yourself why melo wanted out of denver.

i have a theory: he was running away from his inferiority. i think denver realized this too which is why they cried crocodile tears over the trade. melo can't accept that he's a secondary player. reality is going to catch up with this guy sooner than later.

So...Denver tried to re-sign him after realizing he was inferior?

if he insists on leaving what point is there in genuinely trying to re-sign him? i think ujuri is much sharper than you give him credit for-- same with walsh. ujuri went through the motions, played dolan like a drum, parlayed melo's passiveness into a huge win. at best it was a mutual parting of the ways for denver and anthony.

Can't really call it mutual seeing how they spent all summer/fall/winter trying to convince him to resign. If a girl breaks up with you, you spend all year trying to get back with her, then finally give up, does giving up make it mutual? Didn't think so.

Also, they pushed him hard to NJ, finally settling on what we had for assets. If you think getting Mozgov added was playing us then ask yourself how good he is now.