jrodmc wrote:

Anji wrote:Scenarios should also include the worst no??? Not just the best.

Knicks would have really failed if they were sitting here now hoping Amare, Gallo and Felton could lead them anywhere.

No No NO! Gallo would be MVP of the league by now, Wilson would be throwing out 20 and 10 on a regular basis, Moz would be DPOY, and Lin...LIN would be averaging Oscar Robertson type triple doubles by now.

Not EVEN MENTIONING WHO WE WOULD HAVE DRAFTED!!! LOOK AT THE TREMENDOUS, CONSISTENTLY INCREDIBLE HISTORY WE HAVE IN THE DRAFT!!!!

Canning Flyes!
William John Wallace! This man is prettier than you!
Rolando Calrissian Balkman!
Trevor Ariza! (Yeah, I remember how he LED the Lakers to a chip! Or was that Orlando? I forget...)
Avid Lee! [Get it?]
Nene Hilarious! Okay, maybe that one got away, but the Somberites don't even mention him anymore...

But wait!!! It gets better!!! Even if all the above turned into week-old dogsheehit, WE'D STILL BE ABLE TO TRADE ANY AND ALL OF IT FOR MORE DRAFT PICKS!

AND DON'T FORGET!!! LEBRON IS STILL DYING TO COME HERE!!!! AND DURANT, HE'LL BE A FREE AGENT SOON!!! THINK OF THE POTENSHULL!!! THE CAP SPACE!!! DERRICK ROSE IN A KNICKS JERSEY!!! WESTBROOK COMING OFF THE BENCH!!! HARDEN HERE WITH LIN WHERE HE BELONGS!!! PLUS WE'D HAVE ALL THAT TALENT THAT HAS THE NUGGETS FIRMLY IMPLANTED PLAYING .500 BALL!!! WH0 WANTS TO BE FIRST IN THE DIVISION ANYWAY!!! THE EAST SUHUCKS!

I almost died laughing. Major props, LOL

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

and you may not want to speak on moz, but if the nuggs get a first round pick trading moz, I am going to SCREAM!!!!!!!!

LOL not gonna happen. 2nd rounder at best

gunsnewing wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im not a believer that Carmelo Anthony wouldve went to the Nets. That was leverage he used on Dolan. If the Knicks just explained to Carmelo that we want to give you every dime--but we also want you to win a championship--like Lebron--its bets that we sign you outright following the season. If we did that-we would be a legit championship contender. Forget Miami for one minute--we have no chance no chance as composed to even compete with the Bulls and when they get Derrick Rose either will the Heat. We needed to keep Gallo especially giving us that third special gun and guys like Chandelr Mosgov draft picks--this team couldve been awesome. It still is a GOOD team and its capable of doing some very good things but we couldve buily a dynasty team if patient.

You are asking Melo to take a pay cut. If thats the case, the same rule of thumb applies to Lin. Why couldn't managemnet explain to Lin that we want to give you every dime we could under the new CBA rules but we also want to build a championship team with you, Melo, Stat, Chandler, Kidd etc? Why couldn't Lin take less money to stay here? Instead he went for the money just Melo and every other athlete has done before them and will continue to do after them.

lin wasn't costing the knicks picks and players and a chance to get better... lin just cost the knicks tax money.. dolan has plenty of it and if his plan was to win, then you pay the price as long as it doesn't hurt your team... we are going to pay the tax anyway, how would signing lin hurt the team? or keep it from getting better?

The final year of his contract is a cap killer. If he didn't pan out we'd be stuck with a near max contract when everyone else is coming off the books. I still agree we shouldn't have let him go, but after all the outrage and narratives, there's a case to be made that the Knicks made the right call by not keeping him under those terms.

Lin expires same year as Amare, Melo and Tyson. Thats a boatload off the books when you include Lin. Pretty mcuh allowing us to build our version of the heat big 3 or 4. Maybe Keep Melo, add Durant, Lebron, Kyrie, Alridge, Love, etc

Yup. There is really no reason Knicks shouldn't have signed Lin. Lin would not have affected the cap whatsoever.

NYKBocker wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im not a believer that Carmelo Anthony wouldve went to the Nets. That was leverage he used on Dolan. If the Knicks just explained to Carmelo that we want to give you every dime--but we also want you to win a championship--like Lebron--its bets that we sign you outright following the season. If we did that-we would be a legit championship contender. Forget Miami for one minute--we have no chance no chance as composed to even compete with the Bulls and when they get Derrick Rose either will the Heat. We needed to keep Gallo especially giving us that third special gun and guys like Chandelr Mosgov draft picks--this team couldve been awesome. It still is a GOOD team and its capable of doing some very good things but we couldve buily a dynasty team if patient.

You are asking Melo to take a pay cut. If thats the case, the same rule of thumb applies to Lin. Why couldn't managemnet explain to Lin that we want to give you every dime we could under the new CBA rules but we also want to build a championship team with you, Melo, Stat, Chandler, Kidd etc? Why couldn't Lin take less money to stay here? Instead he went for the money just Melo and every other athlete has done before them and will continue to do after them.

lin wasn't costing the knicks picks and players and a chance to get better... lin just cost the knicks tax money.. dolan has plenty of it and if his plan was to win, then you pay the price as long as it doesn't hurt your team... we are going to pay the tax anyway, how would signing lin hurt the team? or keep it from getting better?

The final year of his contract is a cap killer. If he didn't pan out we'd be stuck with a near max contract when everyone else is coming off the books. I still agree we shouldn't have let him go, but after all the outrage and narratives, there's a case to be made that the Knicks made the right call by not keeping him under those terms.

Lin expires same year as Amare, Melo and Tyson. Thats a boatload off the books when you include Lin. Pretty mcuh allowing us to build our version of the heat big 3 or 4. Maybe Keep Melo, add Durant, Lebron, Kyrie, Alridge, Love, etc

Yup. There is really no reason Knicks shouldn't have signed Lin. Lin would not have affected the cap whatsoever.

Anji wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

and you may not want to speak on moz, but if the nuggs get a first round pick trading moz, I am going to SCREAM!!!!!!!!

LOL not gonna happen. 2nd rounder at best

I was thinking the knicks should look into signing Moz for cheap next season.

And I was thinking we also get the Mayor and the Wizard of Moz back, then trade KT and Prigs for Lin. Sign Gallo for the MLE.
James White, Rashweed and Patrick Ewing Jr.s rights for first round picks. (I mean if Moz nets a first round pick...seriously, right?)

Mission acomplished. Someone could then show the Somberites the way to the first annual "I STILL hate the TRADE" picnic.

Anji wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im not a believer that Carmelo Anthony wouldve went to the Nets. That was leverage he used on Dolan. If the Knicks just explained to Carmelo that we want to give you every dime--but we also want you to win a championship--like Lebron--its bets that we sign you outright following the season. If we did that-we would be a legit championship contender. Forget Miami for one minute--we have no chance no chance as composed to even compete with the Bulls and when they get Derrick Rose either will the Heat. We needed to keep Gallo especially giving us that third special gun and guys like Chandelr Mosgov draft picks--this team couldve been awesome. It still is a GOOD team and its capable of doing some very good things but we couldve buily a dynasty team if patient.

You are asking Melo to take a pay cut. If thats the case, the same rule of thumb applies to Lin. Why couldn't managemnet explain to Lin that we want to give you every dime we could under the new CBA rules but we also want to build a championship team with you, Melo, Stat, Chandler, Kidd etc? Why couldn't Lin take less money to stay here? Instead he went for the money just Melo and every other athlete has done before them and will continue to do after them.

lin wasn't costing the knicks picks and players and a chance to get better... lin just cost the knicks tax money.. dolan has plenty of it and if his plan was to win, then you pay the price as long as it doesn't hurt your team... we are going to pay the tax anyway, how would signing lin hurt the team? or keep it from getting better?

The final year of his contract is a cap killer. If he didn't pan out we'd be stuck with a near max contract when everyone else is coming off the books. I still agree we shouldn't have let him go, but after all the outrage and narratives, there's a case to be made that the Knicks made the right call by not keeping him under those terms.

Lin expires same year as Amare, Melo and Tyson. Thats a boatload off the books when you include Lin. Pretty mcuh allowing us to build our version of the heat big 3 or 4. Maybe Keep Melo, add Durant, Lebron, Kyrie, Alridge, Love, etc

Yup. There is really no reason Knicks shouldn't have signed Lin. Lin would not have affected the cap whatsoever.

Yeah there is, Dolan didn't want him. That's always the best and only reason you need not to sign some one.

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NYKBocker wrote:

Anji wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im not a believer that Carmelo Anthony wouldve went to the Nets. That was leverage he used on Dolan. If the Knicks just explained to Carmelo that we want to give you every dime--but we also want you to win a championship--like Lebron--its bets that we sign you outright following the season. If we did that-we would be a legit championship contender. Forget Miami for one minute--we have no chance no chance as composed to even compete with the Bulls and when they get Derrick Rose either will the Heat. We needed to keep Gallo especially giving us that third special gun and guys like Chandelr Mosgov draft picks--this team couldve been awesome. It still is a GOOD team and its capable of doing some very good things but we couldve buily a dynasty team if patient.

You are asking Melo to take a pay cut. If thats the case, the same rule of thumb applies to Lin. Why couldn't managemnet explain to Lin that we want to give you every dime we could under the new CBA rules but we also want to build a championship team with you, Melo, Stat, Chandler, Kidd etc? Why couldn't Lin take less money to stay here? Instead he went for the money just Melo and every other athlete has done before them and will continue to do after them.

lin wasn't costing the knicks picks and players and a chance to get better... lin just cost the knicks tax money.. dolan has plenty of it and if his plan was to win, then you pay the price as long as it doesn't hurt your team... we are going to pay the tax anyway, how would signing lin hurt the team? or keep it from getting better?

The final year of his contract is a cap killer. If he didn't pan out we'd be stuck with a near max contract when everyone else is coming off the books. I still agree we shouldn't have let him go, but after all the outrage and narratives, there's a case to be made that the Knicks made the right call by not keeping him under those terms.

Lin expires same year as Amare, Melo and Tyson. Thats a boatload off the books when you include Lin. Pretty mcuh allowing us to build our version of the heat big 3 or 4. Maybe Keep Melo, add Durant, Lebron, Kyrie, Alridge, Love, etc

Yup. There is really no reason Knicks shouldn't have signed Lin. Lin would not have affected the cap whatsoever.

Yeah there is, Dolan didn't want him. That's always the best and only reason you need not to sign some one.

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ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:2nd in the east is like being 5th in the west. We've had the 9th easiest schedule out of 30 teams.
http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings/_/page/2/sort/sos
Do you want to have a top east team or a top NBA team?

Give it a break Bonn, we're in uncharted waters. We haven't been this good and relevant in a while. Put down the analysis and glass half full outlook for a minute at least, you'll feel better.

Were you content with a .649 team in the '90s?

Exactly, that's the point Bonn. It's been how long, since we've even been in a position to even sniff the 90s. You would think the team is at .500 or below with some of the comments thrown around here. Before the season even began, who here wouldn't sign up for the Atlantic Division lead with a 1/2 game behind the 1st seed in the East with nearly 50% of the season done?

To answer your question, yes I was content with an over .600 in the 90s. They always had a chance to do something in the playoffs, to advance, to give fans long lasting memories, to battle the Jordans, the Millers, the Hardaways and Mournings, to come oh so close vs Hakeem, and to be the Cinderella underdog team to give it to the East and give it their all against the dominant Duncan and Robinsons.

Yes, I'm content with a Knicks team that can compete. All you can ask as a fan.

I'd be ecstatic with a Championship contending team. We shall see.

let me see if i understand you:

first, clearly you approved of "the trade," right? a trade which wrenched us from honest and patient rebuild to win-now.

and lest we forget, weren't knick fans waiting and waiting for that second guy to play alongside ewing?

oddly, even if we are in win-now mode you will be content with simply being competitive in the playoffs, and the reason is-- because it has been so long?

in fact, the denver nuggets pre-trade were basically in the same situation year after year after year-- but it will be okay if it ends up being the same here?

wasn't the idea behind the trade to win a title?

NYKBocker wrote:

Anji wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Anji wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im not a believer that Carmelo Anthony wouldve went to the Nets. That was leverage he used on Dolan. If the Knicks just explained to Carmelo that we want to give you every dime--but we also want you to win a championship--like Lebron--its bets that we sign you outright following the season. If we did that-we would be a legit championship contender. Forget Miami for one minute--we have no chance no chance as composed to even compete with the Bulls and when they get Derrick Rose either will the Heat. We needed to keep Gallo especially giving us that third special gun and guys like Chandelr Mosgov draft picks--this team couldve been awesome. It still is a GOOD team and its capable of doing some very good things but we couldve buily a dynasty team if patient.

You are asking Melo to take a pay cut. If thats the case, the same rule of thumb applies to Lin. Why couldn't managemnet explain to Lin that we want to give you every dime we could under the new CBA rules but we also want to build a championship team with you, Melo, Stat, Chandler, Kidd etc? Why couldn't Lin take less money to stay here? Instead he went for the money just Melo and every other athlete has done before them and will continue to do after them.

lin wasn't costing the knicks picks and players and a chance to get better... lin just cost the knicks tax money.. dolan has plenty of it and if his plan was to win, then you pay the price as long as it doesn't hurt your team... we are going to pay the tax anyway, how would signing lin hurt the team? or keep it from getting better?

The final year of his contract is a cap killer. If he didn't pan out we'd be stuck with a near max contract when everyone else is coming off the books. I still agree we shouldn't have let him go, but after all the outrage and narratives, there's a case to be made that the Knicks made the right call by not keeping him under those terms.

Lin expires same year as Amare, Melo and Tyson. Thats a boatload off the books when you include Lin. Pretty mcuh allowing us to build our version of the heat big 3 or 4. Maybe Keep Melo, add Durant, Lebron, Kyrie, Alridge, Love, etc

Yup. There is really no reason Knicks shouldn't have signed Lin. Lin would not have affected the cap whatsoever.

Yeah there is, Dolan didn't want him. That's always the best and only reason you need not to sign some one.

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If it makes you feel better, Dolan wasn't hiding in Vegas when the offer sheet needed to delivered.

Now Lin is hiding? How the heck did he do that? The only thing the Knicks had to do was send the offer sheet to NBA offices.

gunsnewing wrote:

Anji wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Anji wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Anji wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im not a believer that Carmelo Anthony wouldve went to the Nets. That was leverage he used on Dolan. If the Knicks just explained to Carmelo that we want to give you every dime--but we also want you to win a championship--like Lebron--its bets that we sign you outright following the season. If we did that-we would be a legit championship contender. Forget Miami for one minute--we have no chance no chance as composed to even compete with the Bulls and when they get Derrick Rose either will the Heat. We needed to keep Gallo especially giving us that third special gun and guys like Chandelr Mosgov draft picks--this team couldve been awesome. It still is a GOOD team and its capable of doing some very good things but we couldve buily a dynasty team if patient.

You are asking Melo to take a pay cut. If thats the case, the same rule of thumb applies to Lin. Why couldn't managemnet explain to Lin that we want to give you every dime we could under the new CBA rules but we also want to build a championship team with you, Melo, Stat, Chandler, Kidd etc? Why couldn't Lin take less money to stay here? Instead he went for the money just Melo and every other athlete has done before them and will continue to do after them.

lin wasn't costing the knicks picks and players and a chance to get better... lin just cost the knicks tax money.. dolan has plenty of it and if his plan was to win, then you pay the price as long as it doesn't hurt your team... we are going to pay the tax anyway, how would signing lin hurt the team? or keep it from getting better?

The final year of his contract is a cap killer. If he didn't pan out we'd be stuck with a near max contract when everyone else is coming off the books. I still agree we shouldn't have let him go, but after all the outrage and narratives, there's a case to be made that the Knicks made the right call by not keeping him under those terms.

Lin expires same year as Amare, Melo and Tyson. Thats a boatload off the books when you include Lin. Pretty mcuh allowing us to build our version of the heat big 3 or 4. Maybe Keep Melo, add Durant, Lebron, Kyrie, Alridge, Love, etc

Yup. There is really no reason Knicks shouldn't have signed Lin. Lin would not have affected the cap whatsoever.

Yeah there is, Dolan didn't want him. That's always the best and only reason you need not to sign some one.

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If it makes you feel better, Dolan wasn't hiding in Vegas when the offer sheet needed to delivered.

Now Lin is hiding? How the heck did he do that? The only thing the Knicks had to do was send the offer sheet to NBA offices.

Geezus, Grunwald was dodging the offer sheet before Dolan even knew about it.

Wrong you have your facts mixed up

dk7th wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:2nd in the east is like being 5th in the west. We've had the 9th easiest schedule out of 30 teams.
http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings/_/page/2/sort/sos
Do you want to have a top east team or a top NBA team?

Give it a break Bonn, we're in uncharted waters. We haven't been this good and relevant in a while. Put down the analysis and glass half full outlook for a minute at least, you'll feel better.

Were you content with a .649 team in the '90s?

Exactly, that's the point Bonn. It's been how long, since we've even been in a position to even sniff the 90s. You would think the team is at .500 or below with some of the comments thrown around here. Before the season even began, who here wouldn't sign up for the Atlantic Division lead with a 1/2 game behind the 1st seed in the East with nearly 50% of the season done?

To answer your question, yes I was content with an over .600 in the 90s. They always had a chance to do something in the playoffs, to advance, to give fans long lasting memories, to battle the Jordans, the Millers, the Hardaways and Mournings, to come oh so close vs Hakeem, and to be the Cinderella underdog team to give it to the East and give it their all against the dominant Duncan and Robinsons.

Yes, I'm content with a Knicks team that can compete. All you can ask as a fan.

I'd be ecstatic with a Championship contending team. We shall see.

That's all that really matters, competing in the playoffs. Truth is we're stilling building chemistry, trying to turn the team into a defensive minded team, dealing with injuries and yet we're still the 2nd in the East. Why is everyone complaining???? That's what I don't get. I understand it's things we can be critical of and players don't always make the best decisions but guys are acting as if we're 5th or 6th in the east and don't see that players are trying to improve their game.

I could be wrong, and have no problem admitting it ... but Jan/Feb gives us time to practice the little things, gives us something to build on and get guys healthy .. but I'm willing to bet that by time March is here, the team is clicking and we make a good push in the playoffs.

Tyson and Kidd (2 key components to our success) has been here before and know when it's time to turn it up. Do you think they're too concerned about the reg. season? It's not Tyson is a shell of himself from last year, we know Tyson can be aggressive when needed, he's pacing himself though. We also seen Kidd play his heart out in games and others hang back .. these guys will be okay.

The keys for the next 2 months is to
1. maintain a high seed
2. get guys healthy
3. build chemistry
4. improve on defense
5. develop some money offense plays.

seeding is important-- vital in fact if we are to advance past the first and second rounds. but if we don't make it to the conference finals you will still be content? is that right?

o_O umm what??? Clearly I stated maintaining a high seed is very important. Our #1 Goal this season 2nd, getting healthy to make a playoff run.

I'm with Melo on our goals for the season, can't say it enough ... the goal of this team and realistic fans is to make the ECF. Have said this a million times. Anything less will be a disappointment with the roster we have, but as I said we need to get healthy during these next 2 months, that's vital right now.

Don't get your argument with what I said.