dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:carmelo hits his career average with 54.7TS% the knicks will struggle like they did. 24FGA too many but 16FTA helps. 1 assist

knicks as a team also shot 54.7

gallo 70.2%TS 9 boards 3 assists; but their problem is iguodala underachieving (5 TO) and that lawson turnover killed them

nuggets as a team 62.5%TS

Translation

Gallo played a good game but it is other players fault that Denver lost. Uh huh. If Gallo is so good he should be able to put the team on his back to win.

What Gallo is doing is called STAT PADDING. See Shareef Abdur Rahim. Great stats lots of losses.

gallo played a very efficient good game. melo made a couple of great baskets on him late. it was a good duel.

22 points off turnovers for the knicks: that is a key statistic.

faried 0 offensive boards this is underachieving for faried as he is the second best offensive rebounder in the league.
iguodala 5 turnovers and 3 assists it is usually the other way around isn't it. he, like melo, could also afford to be more efficient.
gallo fired up an air ball. that was the only glaring error.
lawson lost the ball at the end while the nuggets had a chance. that was the game right there.

how about mentioning that the knicks won despite JR going 5-19 and the dope Felton was 4-15?

The knicks won despite playing awful. That's awesome.

Denver shot 55 pct.

mrKnickShot wrote:how about mentioning that the knicks won despite JR going 5-19 and the dope Felton was 4-15?

The knicks won despite playing awful. That's awesome.

Denver shot 55 pct.

Knicks top players played like trash and Melo and company still pulled out the win.

I guarantee Melo would NOT have gotten a pass if he played an efficient game and we loss. He would have been roasted for not being a true star quality player.

AnubisADL wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:how about mentioning that the knicks won despite JR going 5-19 and the dope Felton was 4-15?

The knicks won despite playing awful. That's awesome.

Denver shot 55 pct.

Knicks top players played like trash and Melo and company still pulled out the win.

I guarantee Melo would NOT have gotten a pass if he played an efficient game and we loss. He would have been roasted for not being a true star quality player.

IrishKnickFan wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:how about mentioning that the knicks won despite JR going 5-19 and the dope Felton was 4-15?

The knicks won despite playing awful. That's awesome.

Denver shot 55 pct.

Knicks top players played like trash and Melo and company still pulled out the win.

I guarantee Melo would NOT have gotten a pass if he played an efficient game and we loss. He would have been roasted for not being a true star quality player.

Jesus man let it go. we won thats all that matters

Whats your point here?

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:carmelo hits his career average with 54.7TS% the knicks will struggle like they did. 24FGA too many but 16FTA helps. 1 assist

knicks as a team also shot 54.7

gallo 70.2%TS 9 boards 3 assists; but their problem is iguodala underachieving (5 TO) and that lawson turnover killed them

nuggets as a team 62.5%TS

Translation

Gallo played a good game but it is other players fault that Denver lost. Uh huh. If Gallo is so good he should be able to put the team on his back to win.

What Gallo is doing is called STAT PADDING. See Shareef Abdur Rahim. Great stats lots of losses.

gallo played a very efficient good game. melo made a couple of great baskets on him late. it was a good duel.

22 points off turnovers for the knicks: that is a key statistic.

faried 0 offensive boards this is underachieving for faried as he is the second best offensive rebounder in the league.
iguodala 5 turnovers and 3 assists it is usually the other way around isn't it. he, like melo, could also afford to be more efficient.
gallo fired up an air ball. that was the only glaring error.
lawson lost the ball at the end while the nuggets had a chance. that was the game right there.

how about mentioning that the knicks won despite JR going 5-19 and the dope Felton was 4-15?

The knicks won despite playing awful. That's awesome.

Denver shot 55 pct.

when the ball doesn't move players like smith and felton suffer. problem is they themselves contribute to the lack of ball movement.

all they need to do is focus on making the extra pass.

if there is a flaw in lawson's game i would say that he too should focus on making the extra pass in the half court. that and learning how to maintain his dribble. his is a youthful game not a veteran game. but then nobody can stay in front of him.

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:carmelo hits his career average with 54.7TS% the knicks will struggle like they did. 24FGA too many but 16FTA helps. 1 assist

knicks as a team also shot 54.7

gallo 70.2%TS 9 boards 3 assists; but their problem is iguodala underachieving (5 TO) and that lawson turnover killed them

nuggets as a team 62.5%TS

Translation

Gallo played a good game but it is other players fault that Denver lost. Uh huh. If Gallo is so good he should be able to put the team on his back to win.

What Gallo is doing is called STAT PADDING. See Shareef Abdur Rahim. Great stats lots of losses.

gallo played a very efficient good game. melo made a couple of great baskets on him late. it was a good duel.

22 points off turnovers for the knicks: that is a key statistic.

faried 0 offensive boards this is underachieving for faried as he is the second best offensive rebounder in the league.
iguodala 5 turnovers and 3 assists it is usually the other way around isn't it. he, like melo, could also afford to be more efficient.
gallo fired up an air ball. that was the only glaring error.
lawson lost the ball at the end while the nuggets had a chance. that was the game right there.

how about mentioning that the knicks won despite JR going 5-19 and the dope Felton was 4-15?

The knicks won despite playing awful. That's awesome.

Denver shot 55 pct.

when the ball doesn't move players like smith and felton suffer. problem is they themselves contribute to the lack of ball movement.

all they need to do is focus on making the extra pass.

if there is a flaw in lawson's game i would say that he too should focus on making the extra pass in the half court. that and learning how to maintain his dribble. his is a youthful game not a veteran game. but then nobody can stay in front of him.

Felton and JR ARE the reason for lack of ball movement (very often). I don't care for either. Still hope the knicks win with them.

The knicks in general don't make the extra pass and it is certainly frustrated. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad and just hope that the good wins out.

Melo is not really my type of player since I always played PG and he is a hog. I also appreciate that we have an unstoppable crunch time player and a guy who can carry a team. I try to appreciate him for what he is. His defense has certainly improved and I credit Woody for that. JR plays pretty good D too buy his offense makes me cringe.

Felton is just ....... Felton

I think the Miami Game got to Felton's Head..needs to calm down with the amount of shots he is taking and look to set people up beside Chandler.

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:Funny how anybody else on the team with the exact same stats would be getting a ton of praise by people like tkf, but because it's Melo giving praise to such performance is unexceptable.
Melo closed the game in the clutch and the first thing he does is praise someone else.
I've been on this board for about a month and I already gave up on trying to put some sense into him about anything regarding Melo. He's just a straight up hater, and even if the Knicks somehow come away with the title this year, he'll still find something to b1tch about.

oh trust me.

There is nobody who is rooting harder for the knicks to NOT win a title than TK and DK

you know what that is unfair and mean-spirited.

i want a title for my team as much as anyone else here.

the knicks have gone all in to win a title in the next two seasons. if they don't win a title then what?

i did not like the way this present team was assembled one bit and i still don't. because i don't believe they will win the title in the next two years.

i have been reflecting on my relationship to this game and my team lately and i realize that i take more pleasure in studying the game and its players than actually rooting like a typical fan. maybe my contempt for dolan and all this losing forced me to adopt this position.

so i take the geek stat route and try not to get too exuberant about the team. i take the long approach.

you guys take my contributions way too personally in my opinion. the players who play the game the right way i enjoy watching because they are so instrumental to success, just as players who play the wrong way detract from success.

You say this yet you are very one track minded or one dimensional in your judgement. You didn't even give Melo credit for his defensive stats when comparing. You talk about winning a championship, but only focus on the offensive side of the ball with TS%. As proven today TS% doesn't tell the whole story.

If Denver plays the right way then why are they one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA while the Knicks are one of the best defensive teams in the NBA this season. A team like what Denver has constructed has never won an NBA championship ever in the history of the NBA. So if you really were about winning championships then you wouldn't be putting Denver on the pedistal you do and would be critical of there lack of defense. But they are good in one area of basketball that you like so you ignore all else.

We don't win a championship in 2yrs, we see what our options are, retool and go hard at it again. Its up to Grundwald and Woody to continue to add quality smart pickups and coach them up. There are so many things that can happen though from now until then that its not really worth thinking about it. How about we enjoy the ride while there winning and if they fail we deal with that if that time comes.

melo has yet to prove that he is a franchise player. he doesn't get a free pass. i have seen too much basketball and bore witness to true franchise players too many times to allow stern's hype machine to bamboozle me. melo has been more sizzle than steak, although he is starting to add some real meat to his game this season. i see melo and i don't see an elite defender. he still gets overrated on that side of the court too although i respect the effort he makes when he is guarding bigger 4s.

i didn't say denver plays the right way. only two teams of recent history collectively played the right way, of course i mean the celtics ans the spurs. the mavs did it one year while the heat flirt with playing the right way collectively.

the nuggets have gallinari and miller who play the right way, in my opinion, but that clearly isn't enough. they need to acquire another player, not necessarily a "superstar," who plays the game the right way and they will be a good to great team. meantime george karl's biggest task is to get lawson to improve his orchestrating skills and to get iguodala to be more like doug collins had him play, ie facilitating and playmaking to help faried and mcgee get easy buckets not merely alleyoops and garbage putbacks.

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:carmelo hits his career average with 54.7TS% the knicks will struggle like they did. 24FGA too many but 16FTA helps. 1 assist

knicks as a team also shot 54.7

gallo 70.2%TS 9 boards 3 assists; but their problem is iguodala underachieving (5 TO) and that lawson turnover killed them

nuggets as a team 62.5%TS

Translation

Gallo played a good game but it is other players fault that Denver lost. Uh huh. If Gallo is so good he should be able to put the team on his back to win.

What Gallo is doing is called STAT PADDING. See Shareef Abdur Rahim. Great stats lots of losses.

gallo played a very efficient good game. melo made a couple of great baskets on him late. it was a good duel.

22 points off turnovers for the knicks: that is a key statistic.

faried 0 offensive boards this is underachieving for faried as he is the second best offensive rebounder in the league.
iguodala 5 turnovers and 3 assists it is usually the other way around isn't it. he, like melo, could also afford to be more efficient.
gallo fired up an air ball. that was the only glaring error.
lawson lost the ball at the end while the nuggets had a chance. that was the game right there.

how about mentioning that the knicks won despite JR going 5-19 and the dope Felton was 4-15?

The knicks won despite playing awful. That's awesome.

Denver shot 55 pct.

when the ball doesn't move players like smith and felton suffer. problem is they themselves contribute to the lack of ball movement.

all they need to do is focus on making the extra pass.

if there is a flaw in lawson's game i would say that he too should focus on making the extra pass in the half court. that and learning how to maintain his dribble. his is a youthful game not a veteran game. but then nobody can stay in front of him.

Felton and JR ARE the reason for lack of ball movement (very often). I don't care for either. Still hope the knicks win with them.

The knicks in general don't make the extra pass and it is certainly frustrated. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad and just hope that the good wins out.

Melo is not really my type of player since I always played PG and he is a hog. I also appreciate that we have an unstoppable crunch time player and a guy who can carry a team. I try to appreciate him for what he is. His defense has certainly improved and I credit Woody for that. JR plays pretty good D too buy his offense makes me cringe.

Felton is just ....... Felton

any point guard worth his salt will have less than 1:1 ratio of usg/assist rate.

the benchmark is nash with a 1:3 ratio.
chris paul is 1:2
kidd here is 1:2
stockton 2:5
thomas .67:1
rondo 1:2
marbury .70:1
felton .74:1

the two latter players are uncomfortably close to a 1:1 ratio to be truly effective as orchestrators and facilitators.

melo 3:1

"ball hog" is apt.

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:Funny how anybody else on the team with the exact same stats would be getting a ton of praise by people like tkf, but because it's Melo giving praise to such performance is unexceptable.
Melo closed the game in the clutch and the first thing he does is praise someone else.
I've been on this board for about a month and I already gave up on trying to put some sense into him about anything regarding Melo. He's just a straight up hater, and even if the Knicks somehow come away with the title this year, he'll still find something to b1tch about.

oh trust me.

There is nobody who is rooting harder for the knicks to NOT win a title than TK and DK

you know what that is unfair and mean-spirited.

i want a title for my team as much as anyone else here.

the knicks have gone all in to win a title in the next two seasons. if they don't win a title then what?

i did not like the way this present team was assembled one bit and i still don't. because i don't believe they will win the title in the next two years.

i have been reflecting on my relationship to this game and my team lately and i realize that i take more pleasure in studying the game and its players than actually rooting like a typical fan. maybe my contempt for dolan and all this losing forced me to adopt this position.

so i take the geek stat route and try not to get too exuberant about the team. i take the long approach.

you guys take my contributions way too personally in my opinion. the players who play the game the right way i enjoy watching because they are so instrumental to success, just as players who play the wrong way detract from success.

You say this yet you are very one track minded or one dimensional in your judgement. You didn't even give Melo credit for his defensive stats when comparing. You talk about winning a championship, but only focus on the offensive side of the ball with TS%. As proven today TS% doesn't tell the whole story.

If Denver plays the right way then why are they one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA while the Knicks are one of the best defensive teams in the NBA this season. A team like what Denver has constructed has never won an NBA championship ever in the history of the NBA. So if you really were about winning championships then you wouldn't be putting Denver on the pedistal you do and would be critical of there lack of defense. But they are good in one area of basketball that you like so you ignore all else.

We don't win a championship in 2yrs, we see what our options are, retool and go hard at it again. Its up to Grundwald and Woody to continue to add quality smart pickups and coach them up. There are so many things that can happen though from now until then that its not really worth thinking about it. How about we enjoy the ride while there winning and if they fail we deal with that if that time comes.

melo has yet to prove that he is a franchise player. he doesn't get a free pass. i have seen too much basketball and bore witness to true franchise players too many times to allow stern's hype machine to bamboozle me. melo has been more sizzle than steak, although he is starting to add some real meat to his game this season. i see melo and i don't see an elite defender. he still gets overrated on that side of the court too although i respect the effort he makes when he is guarding bigger 4s.

i didn't say denver plays the right way. only two teams of recent history collectively played the right way, of course i mean the celtics ans the spurs. the mavs did it one year while the heat flirt with playing the right way collectively.

the nuggets have gallinari and miller who play the right way, in my opinion, but that clearly isn't enough. they need to acquire another player, not necessarily a "superstar," who plays the game the right way and they will be a good to great team. meantime george karl's biggest task is to get lawson to improve his orchestrating skills and to get iguodala to be more like doug collins had him play, ie facilitating and playmaking to help faried and mcgee get easy buckets not merely alleyoops and garbage putbacks.

Is that the Miller who has a TS of 53.1 for his career?

At least you were able to admit that Melo is working on his game / improving. He is still young and now has a coach that connects with him. Kidd helps too.

miller's lack of 3-point shooting hurts the TS for him. miller takes only 1 3-pointer per game.

melo is improving.

for me it's all about the playoffs and how he and the knicks do there.

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:Funny how anybody else on the team with the exact same stats would be getting a ton of praise by people like tkf, but because it's Melo giving praise to such performance is unexceptable.
Melo closed the game in the clutch and the first thing he does is praise someone else.
I've been on this board for about a month and I already gave up on trying to put some sense into him about anything regarding Melo. He's just a straight up hater, and even if the Knicks somehow come away with the title this year, he'll still find something to b1tch about.

oh trust me.

There is nobody who is rooting harder for the knicks to NOT win a title than TK and DK

you know what that is unfair and mean-spirited.

i want a title for my team as much as anyone else here.

the knicks have gone all in to win a title in the next two seasons. if they don't win a title then what?

i did not like the way this present team was assembled one bit and i still don't. because i don't believe they will win the title in the next two years.

i have been reflecting on my relationship to this game and my team lately and i realize that i take more pleasure in studying the game and its players than actually rooting like a typical fan. maybe my contempt for dolan and all this losing forced me to adopt this position.

so i take the geek stat route and try not to get too exuberant about the team. i take the long approach.

you guys take my contributions way too personally in my opinion. the players who play the game the right way i enjoy watching because they are so instrumental to success, just as players who play the wrong way detract from success.

You say this yet you are very one track minded or one dimensional in your judgement. You didn't even give Melo credit for his defensive stats when comparing. You talk about winning a championship, but only focus on the offensive side of the ball with TS%. As proven today TS% doesn't tell the whole story.

If Denver plays the right way then why are they one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA while the Knicks are one of the best defensive teams in the NBA this season. A team like what Denver has constructed has never won an NBA championship ever in the history of the NBA. So if you really were about winning championships then you wouldn't be putting Denver on the pedistal you do and would be critical of there lack of defense. But they are good in one area of basketball that you like so you ignore all else.

We don't win a championship in 2yrs, we see what our options are, retool and go hard at it again. Its up to Grundwald and Woody to continue to add quality smart pickups and coach them up. There are so many things that can happen though from now until then that its not really worth thinking about it. How about we enjoy the ride while there winning and if they fail we deal with that if that time comes.

melo has yet to prove that he is a franchise player. he doesn't get a free pass. i have seen too much basketball and bore witness to true franchise players too many times to allow stern's hype machine to bamboozle me. melo has been more sizzle than steak, although he is starting to add some real meat to his game this season. i see melo and i don't see an elite defender. he still gets overrated on that side of the court too although i respect the effort he makes when he is guarding bigger 4s.

i didn't say denver plays the right way. only two teams of recent history collectively played the right way, of course i mean the celtics ans the spurs. the mavs did it one year while the heat flirt with playing the right way collectively.

the nuggets have gallinari and miller who play the right way, in my opinion, but that clearly isn't enough. they need to acquire another player, not necessarily a "superstar," who plays the game the right way and they will be a good to great team. meantime george karl's biggest task is to get lawson to improve his orchestrating skills and to get iguodala to be more like doug collins had him play, ie facilitating and playmaking to help faried and mcgee get easy buckets not merely alleyoops and garbage putbacks.

Is that the Miller who has a TS of 53.1 for his career?

At least you were able to admit that Melo is working on his game / improving. He is still young and now has a coach that connects with him. Kidd helps too.

miller's lack of 3-point shooting hurts the TS for him. miller takes only 1 3-pointer per game.

melo is improving.

for me it's all about the playoffs and how he and the knicks do there.

fair enough. just no need to debbie downer the game threads.

15-5 is better than any of us could have imagined.

I fear that Felton and JR will kill us in the playoffs. It sounds silly but Priggy will need to play a big part. If bad felton and JR show up, we are screwed.

However, we are really good defensively and we may need to win ugly.

And in this particular season, Melo's stats across the board are so much better than Gallo's, it's ridiculous, including TS% (57% to 50%). Gallo is shooting an anemic 38% from the field. That is not what I consider playing the game the 'right' way.

"Geek" stats are fine, but they need to be used correctly.

I like Gallo & I wish him well. I care more about his career panning out than I do some other ex-Knicks, who were only here for a cup of coffee. But he is not on the level of Melo and I don't regret the trade in the least.