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FoeDiddy
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5/9/2012  10:18 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I still believe in stat...he definitely needs more touches though. Him taking less then 10 shots is ridiculous. Even bosh sees more opportunities.

Its hard to get him touches. He had/has no perimeter game anymore - if he catches too far from the basket and tries to make a move, its a turnover or an offensive foul. He is best in a PnR but with no PG that aint easy.

What he did to them in game 3 was unforgivable! Unless ... he is a monster next year

Out of wack year for him this year. I think he comes back strong next year

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5/9/2012  10:19 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I still believe in stat...he definitely needs more touches though. Him taking less then 10 shots is ridiculous. Even bosh sees more opportunities.

Its hard to get him touches. He had/has no perimeter game anymore - if he catches too far from the basket and tries to make a move, its a turnover or an offensive foul. He is best in a PnR but with no PG that aint easy.

What he did to them in game 3 was unforgivable! Unless ... he is a monster next year

Out of wack year for him this year. I think he comes back strong next year

You are disregarding the second part of last year/playoffs

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5/9/2012  10:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/9/2012  10:20 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I still believe in stat...he definitely needs more touches though. Him taking less then 10 shots is ridiculous. Even bosh sees more opportunities.

Its hard to get him touches. He had/has no perimeter game anymore - if he catches too far from the basket and tries to make a move, its a turnover or an offensive foul. He is best in a PnR but with no PG that aint easy.

What he did to them in game 3 was unforgivable! Unless ... he is a monster next year

Technically, Stat took more than 7 shots (about 10) because he as fouled about 3-4 times. Second, We get no penetration frm out guards that can draw the defense and drop a dime to Stat for an easy look. Also, not sure why but we dont run much PNR with Stat. Lastly, you have to put some of the balme of Stat. Why is is that JR can come off the bench and manage to get hit 15 looks but Stat cant?

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5/9/2012  10:21 PM
Uptown wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I still believe in stat...he definitely needs more touches though. Him taking less then 10 shots is ridiculous. Even bosh sees more opportunities.

Its hard to get him touches. He had/has no perimeter game anymore - if he catches too far from the basket and tries to make a move, its a turnover or an offensive foul. He is best in a PnR but with no PG that aint easy.

What he did to them in game 3 was unforgivable! Unless ... he is a monster next year

Technically, Stat took more than 7 shots (about 10) because he as fouled about 3-4 times. Second, We get no penetration frm out guards that can draw the defense and drop a dime to Stat for an easy look. Also, not sure why but we dont run much PNR with Stat. Lastly, you have to put some of the balme of Stat. Why is is that JR can come off the bench and manage to get hit 15 looks but Stat cant?

You pretty much regurgitated what I just stated - great minds

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5/9/2012  10:47 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I still believe in stat...he definitely needs more touches though. Him taking less then 10 shots is ridiculous. Even bosh sees more opportunities.

Its hard to get him touches. He had/has no perimeter game anymore - if he catches too far from the basket and tries to make a move, its a turnover or an offensive foul. He is best in a PnR but with no PG that aint easy.

What he did to them in game 3 was unforgivable! Unless ... he is a monster next year

Out of wack year for him this year. I think he comes back strong next year

You are disregarding the second part of last year/playoffs

He wasn't that bad 2nd part of last year just more players to share the wealth with. He couldn't keep up the monster pace he was playing at in first half of season when u add a Melo & Billups to the team. Playoffs he was injured and still had one monster game against Boston.

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5/9/2012  10:53 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Uptown wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I still believe in stat...he definitely needs more touches though. Him taking less then 10 shots is ridiculous. Even bosh sees more opportunities.

Its hard to get him touches. He had/has no perimeter game anymore - if he catches too far from the basket and tries to make a move, its a turnover or an offensive foul. He is best in a PnR but with no PG that aint easy.

What he did to them in game 3 was unforgivable! Unless ... he is a monster next year

Technically, Stat took more than 7 shots (about 10) because he as fouled about 3-4 times. Second, We get no penetration frm out guards that can draw the defense and drop a dime to Stat for an easy look. Also, not sure why but we dont run much PNR with Stat. Lastly, you have to put some of the balme of Stat. Why is is that JR can come off the bench and manage to get hit 15 looks but Stat cant?

You pretty much regurgitated what I just stated - great minds

You can't compare a Guard taking 15 shots...as a Guard you can take a shot as many times as you want cause you handle the ball so much. Amare is a power forward..he needs to get touches. 10 shots is still no good. I know most of it is injuries and not having a capable guard to get him the rock but Woodson should have drawn more plays to make that happen. Offense was horrendous..was either watching melo taking a contested shot or JR chucking up a contested jumper after dribbling for 10 seconds. It's like JR wants a defender to be in front of him to shoot it.

Also front office did a decent job this year but were lots of head scratching moves..Not picking up a guard before postseason, dropping Walker for Gadz, waiting too long to get rid of MDA. Came back to kill us.

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5/9/2012  10:55 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I still believe in stat...he definitely needs more touches though. Him taking less then 10 shots is ridiculous. Even bosh sees more opportunities.

Its hard to get him touches. He had/has no perimeter game anymore - if he catches too far from the basket and tries to make a move, its a turnover or an offensive foul. He is best in a PnR but with no PG that aint easy.

What he did to them in game 3 was unforgivable! Unless ... he is a monster next year

Out of wack year for him this year. I think he comes back strong next year

You are disregarding the second part of last year/playoffs

He wasn't that bad 2nd part of last year just more players to share the wealth with. He couldn't keep up the monster pace he was playing at in first half of season when u add a Melo & Billups to the team. Playoffs he was injured and still had one monster game against Boston.

I don't remember that game that he was such a monster

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5/9/2012  10:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/9/2012  11:02 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I still believe in stat...he definitely needs more touches though. Him taking less then 10 shots is ridiculous. Even bosh sees more opportunities.

Its hard to get him touches. He had/has no perimeter game anymore - if he catches too far from the basket and tries to make a move, its a turnover or an offensive foul. He is best in a PnR but with no PG that aint easy.

What he did to them in game 3 was unforgivable! Unless ... he is a monster next year

Out of wack year for him this year. I think he comes back strong next year

You are disregarding the second part of last year/playoffs

He wasn't that bad 2nd part of last year just more players to share the wealth with. He couldn't keep up the monster pace he was playing at in first half of season when u add a Melo & Billups to the team. Playoffs he was injured and still had one monster game against Boston.

I don't remember that game that he was such a monster

Since you forgot...Game 1 before he got injured..28 points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRtd0rP6rvM&feature=related

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5/9/2012  11:00 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I still believe in stat...he definitely needs more touches though. Him taking less then 10 shots is ridiculous. Even bosh sees more opportunities.

Its hard to get him touches. He had/has no perimeter game anymore - if he catches too far from the basket and tries to make a move, its a turnover or an offensive foul. He is best in a PnR but with no PG that aint easy.

What he did to them in game 3 was unforgivable! Unless ... he is a monster next year

Out of wack year for him this year. I think he comes back strong next year

You are disregarding the second part of last year/playoffs

He wasn't that bad 2nd part of last year just more players to share the wealth with. He couldn't keep up the monster pace he was playing at in first half of season when u add a Melo & Billups to the team. Playoffs he was injured and still had one monster game against Boston.

I don't remember that game that he was such a monster

Since you forgot...Game 1 before he got injured..28 points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3TwQ8PUT0

Thanks for restoring my memory - it was easy to forget. Do you remember how he got hurt?

A TRICK DUNK IN PRACTICE

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5/9/2012  11:00 PM
I don't ever want to see Landry Fields in a Knick uniform again. I take Nash over Lin if he agrees to the midlevel Knicks are built to win now!. Keep JR if you can, Novak got exposed as a one dimensional player and now we see why he was such a journeyman but I would keep him for the minimum
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5/9/2012  11:04 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:I still believe in stat...he definitely needs more touches though. Him taking less then 10 shots is ridiculous. Even bosh sees more opportunities.

Its hard to get him touches. He had/has no perimeter game anymore - if he catches too far from the basket and tries to make a move, its a turnover or an offensive foul. He is best in a PnR but with no PG that aint easy.

What he did to them in game 3 was unforgivable! Unless ... he is a monster next year

Out of wack year for him this year. I think he comes back strong next year

You are disregarding the second part of last year/playoffs

He wasn't that bad 2nd part of last year just more players to share the wealth with. He couldn't keep up the monster pace he was playing at in first half of season when u add a Melo & Billups to the team. Playoffs he was injured and still had one monster game against Boston.

I don't remember that game that he was such a monster

Since you forgot...Game 1 before he got injured..28 points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3TwQ8PUT0

Thanks for restoring my memory - it was easy to forget. Do you remember how he got hurt?

A TRICK DUNK IN PRACTICE

DUMB

SOUND FAMILIAR

Bad luck...You and I have been to games and seen all stars do trick dunks in pregame including Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Vince, etc. The list goes on. Wasn't dumb.

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5/9/2012  11:06 PM
Mray20 wrote:I don't ever want to see Landry Fields in a Knick uniform again. I take Nash over Lin if he agrees to the midlevel Knicks are built to win now!. Keep JR if you can, Novak got exposed as a one dimensional player and now we see why he was such a journeyman but I would keep him for the minimum

I would still keep Novak. Not too many teams who can recover like the Heat. With a real PG who breaks down defense he will be open.

He was even open in this game like 3 times and teammates missed him.

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5/9/2012  11:14 PM
Knicksfan wrote:Healthy we aren't close to the Heat. They are disciplined and play trully suffocating defense. They are also trully championship contenders.

We are pretenders right now. We pretend Melo and Amare can co-exist when their play shows otherwise. We pretend we can defend like warriors when Amar'e plays none. We pretend we are a piece away but we fail to value having a true plan and having the pieces to execute it.

Melo is an amazing talent, but he needs to be led instead of leading the way. Amar'e had a horrible year on and off court, yet two things really stand out: his fragility and his lost leadership since Melo arrived. Lin had an unreal month, but is he really a special player that can be a star in an 82+playoffs season? Will Shumpert recover and be the defensive star he is? Will he round his game instead of simply being a defensive spciallist? How can we replenis the bench? And more importantly, wh will coach us?

This team has more questions than those. Truth is, after our lowest poing under Layden and Isiah, the turnaround has been a mediocre team that will find it hard to make the moves to become contenders.

good points.. I agree, melo needs to be led, but does he want to be led? I like lin, would like to build a team moreso around his style of play, but this team hitched it's wagon to melo....for better or worse it seems.... my lord..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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5/10/2012  12:19 AM
So JR just said he may be out of here. I didnt want him anyway so goodbye JR. Also Chandler said he didnt come here to lose in the first round. But Tyson also forgot to mention that he went from being our most important player to our worst in the playoffs
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5/10/2012  7:29 AM
All talk and no show. They are in pre-season form already.
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5/10/2012  7:35 AM
GustavBahler wrote:I'm surprised what a non factor Chandler was. Unless he's still sick Tyson looked like he was phoning it in. Got outworked. I don't mind outplayed, but outworked is something else. Stat had more turnovers than rebounds. Novak looked like he played himself out of a few million.

I can't believe how wrong I was about Fields. His floor ended up being his ceiling.

I have no problem with Melo going isolation, but not when its clear that he can't get into a rhythm because the defense is too stifling.

If Woodson is hired they will definitely need to bring in some veteran help to support him. His adjustments in this game were the worst this series. I hope they do a thorough search for coach because this game has me worried about Woodson being able to handle playoff level pressure.


Colds take 7 to 14 days to fully go away. A severe battle with the flu? Probably longer. I'm sure Tyson was still sick.
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5/10/2012  7:44 AM
I feel like the Knicks lost the game last night, not that the HEat won. Chandler did not show up to play. STAT was this years STAT again. Melo did his usual, and JR Smith....what a bum. What I don't get is how they let Miami get all the offensive rebounds? And why did Harrelson not play.
The kid can box out! Where was the will to win last night?

Going forward....

I am not sold on Woodson. I think this series showed that he is not creative. How can you not design one play to get Novak a look? Not one! How can you allow SMith to not only keep jacking shots but also control the freakin' ball? Everytime he gets it, he shoots! I'd rather have Melo or Stat take the 8 extra shots he took last night! They must look to PJax. I doubt he would come but they must ask.

Going forward, Chandler and Melo will be fine. I also think STAT will be better next year. He will have time to heal, let's hope. If not, he needs to be honest and be the 6th man.

WHo is the PG? Lin, Nash....someone else?

WHo is the SG? Fields until Shumpert is back? Please JR, find a bus out of NY and get on it.

Who is going to stretch the floor? Novak? Not a playoff player.

Let's hope Jefferies gets his Knee scoped and resigns for the vet min. I hope that Harrelson works on his body. The kids is a good player.

Many Many Questions....still.

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5/10/2012  10:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/10/2012  10:22 AM
I disagree with the posters who say Novak can't play in the post-season. He is a pure shooter and needs very little space to get off his shot. But since there was NO OTHER ACTION on offense due to not having a PG, no P&R, everything Iso for Melo, Novak was covered like frost on a pine tree in winter. The Heat took him out of the game because they didn't need to worry about the other lame ass dudes on the floor.

Novak is a dead-eye shooter, and would be our Steve Kerr if other aspects of our offense were humming. If anything, I think Novak's lack of contribution is more a reflection of Woody's unimaginative play calling.

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5/10/2012  10:49 AM
Fix The Backcourt And Get Shump Healthy

This was not the sort of game in which there is anyone in particular to "blame" for a loss — the Heat were better, in spite of their own lackadaisical tendencies that seem destined to bite them sometime over the next month — but if you're able to avoid tears when J.R. Smith signs with another team this off-season, this game will be a pretty solid reason why. He was the worst J.R. Smith he could be all game, turning the ball over repeatedly and missing random terrible shots every time he was afforded the slightest opportunity. We have grown to enjoy Smith's shenanigans this season, but this is why you can't count on a guy like Smith: If he is your second-best scoring option, you're doomed. Not that anyone else helped out much. Amar'e Stoudemire was inconsistent, Steve Novak was a non-factor again, and, most disturbingly, Tyson Chandler pretty much sleepwalked through the entire game, failing to help out on drives to the basket and repeatedly being out-muscled on rebounds. Honestly: He just looked exhausted. The whole team did. When your emotional leader has nothing left in the tank, you know the rest of the team is toast. (Landry Fields showed some fire late, but hey: He's young.) Carmelo Anthony did what he could, scoring 36 points, but the whole second half was basically Carmelo dribbling for 21 seconds and then throwing up a crazy shot. Some of them went in, but this is not a solid long-term plan, to say the least. The question remains, though: Is that what Carmelo wants his team to be? Sometimes we worry.

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5/10/2012  11:58 AM
For the sake of rebounding and defense, I hope we find a taker for Amar'e.
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