Markji wrote:Looks like Donnie woke up this morning and is now holding out for a Houston 1st round pick. Thank God!

Squabbling over picks could scuttle any potential deal. However it could also mean the trade framework is agreed upon players wise and it's down to a few ticky tack things to make both teams pull the trigger.

If Jared Jeffries isn't going there isn't much reason to make this deal. Interestingly it sounds as if Hill's contract is also viewed as a 2010 burden. This trade would wipe almost 10M off the cap leaving only fatass' 11M and Douglas and Gallo and Chandler.

Some questions I have for you guys: If we did this, hopefully we can get LeBron and Bosh. That's what I'd want to see happen. That would put us more or less right at the projected cap. Now what would happen with McGrady? No matter how good he plays, he's no option for one of those two Max deals -- so in a perfect world, if we got the 2 big fish we wanted, McGrady's always been looked at as one big expiring contract all along then right? Or do we possibly go over the limit to resign him now that he's ours (does T-Mac have Bird rights that we'd inherit)? Or how 'bout Lee? Do we go over the cap to bring Lee back for close to what he'll be looking for on top of the two big fish? Not sure about T-Mac but for Lee, I'm pretty sure we'd be able to do that. Or do you turn around and S&T Lee this summer for assets - maybe trying to replenish some of the lost draft assets from this deal? Do we turn around then and decide to shop Gallo for assets? And what do we do with Nate right now? Now that Nate gave us a list of 3 teams he'd play for (which is what I wanted them to do with him awhile ago - get him to give us a list of destinations he'd agree to go to), I say deal him to one of those teams for a 1st rounder immediately before we loose him for nothing. At least we'd replenish 1 pick there..

Very interesting stuff. If this all went down and Donnie eventually got the two big FAs he wants, what do you guys see him doing for the finishing touches?

Cosmic wrote:

Markji wrote:Looks like Donnie woke up this morning and is now holding out for a Houston 1st round pick. Thank God!

If Jared Jeffries isn't going there isn't much reason to make this deal. Interestingly it sounds as if Hill's contract is also viewed as a 2010 burden. This trade would wipe almost 10M off the cap leaving only fatass' 11M and Douglas and Gallo and Chandler.

The other point is....we DON'T have to give Houston all of our 1st round picks just because they asked for them. It is way over-paying. The cartoon portrays this very well.
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6124105/

Houston needs to do this trade just as badly as we do....or they lose TMac for nothing! Zero! Nada! There isn't anyone else interested in TMac.

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Markji wrote:

TMS wrote:

sidsanders wrote:HAHAHAHAHHA

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6124105/

that is FUGGIN' hilarious!!!

Finally, someone with some sense.....and it is a cartoon. Whomever created this should immediately be made Knicks GM.

I think it's Walsh creted this cartoon...

Man so funny. But so true. I mean where does it end, ya know?

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Finestrg wrote:Man I wish it was Curry going instead of Jeffries. Too bad he got hurt again -- even if he wasn't playing but healthy, maybe there would've been a shot... Hopefully Donnie at least attempted to counter using Curry instead at some point.. I tell ya, with all these draft picks in the balance, I think I would've insisted on Curry instead of Jeffries. Oh well.. And for the record, I want both 2010 2nd round picks. Give them a future 2 Donnie -- I want both those 2s this summer.. I mean come on -- we can't give Houston everything they want here can we? Jeez, come on now. I can see why they're doing it, but man, if this deal ain't the most lopsided trade in NBA history..

Some questions I have for you guys: If we did this, hopefully we can get LeBron and Bosh. That's what I'd want to see happen. That would put us more or less right at the projected cap. Now what would happen with McGrady? No matter how good he plays, he's no option for one of those two Max deals -- so in a perfect world, if we got the 2 big fish we wanted, McGrady's always been looked at as one big expiring contract all along then right? Or do we possibly go over the limit to resign him now that he's ours (does T-Mac have Bird rights that we'd inherit)? Or how 'bout Lee? Do we go over the cap to bring Lee back for close to what he'll be looking for on top of the two big fish? Not sure about T-Mac but for Lee, I'm pretty sure we'd be able to do that. Or do you turn around and S&T Lee this summer for assets - maybe trying to replenish some of the lost draft assets from this deal? Do we turn around then and decide to shop Gallo for assets?

Very interesting stuff. If this all went down and Donnie eventually got the two big FAs he wants, what do you guys see him doing for the finishing touches?

You still need to fill out your roster. Two max FAs and paying Lee the money he wants will take you ~$40 million and you still have to pay Gallo, Chandler, Douglas and Curry. You basically have to use minimum contracts to fill out your roster. Hmm...

I hear ya, but you'd have to at least entertain the possibility of going over the cap to then resign either McGrady or Lee - that 3rd star - no?

I added a little something about Nate above -- now that Nate gave us a list of 3 teams, do we try and force a trade with one of those teams for their low 1st rounder? I think we should, even if it's Boston who supposedly still has interest..

iSergio wrote:Either Jordan Hill or that 2012 1st Rounder. But not both. That's way too much.

i would give up a '12 1st round pick to dump Fishlips' contract, but the swap rights in 2011 & Jordan Hill to boot is ridiculous... T-Mac has zero future in HOU, they won't re-sign him & there are no other takers for him at this point... plus he's coming off microfracture surgery & has a long record of health issues in the past...this would be like the moronic Antonio McDyess trade all over again.

the Knicks should not bid against themselves here & get taken advantage of yet again... DW needs to stand firm on this one & not let HOU make him into Scott Layden.

I don't think we want to free all of this space for such a price with lee as the main target as 2nd fiddle...

i think it would be for the bigger FA's out there, and if all fails, then perhaps Lee. But we can also S&T lee if needs be in part of a deal to get one of those guys.

this would be a steep price, but the precedent for having the room to sign 2 max FA's was set with Orlando's T-Mac/Hill coup...

The Knicks then have real use for MDA if they can get two of the big FAs.

again, this is a risk, but, if the Knicks think they can get 2 FA's with this, then maybe it's worth it.

If the Knicks get cap space for 2 max deals then Cleveland will likely go into overdrive in getting a deal done before the deadline.