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5/23/2008  2:45 PM
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Rondo is killing the Celtics with his lack of a jump shot (or perhaps just lack of confidence in his jump shot). He's one of the fastest players in the league, maybe even the fastest. He'd be outstanding if he could hit jump shots consistently. That said, if he's the same player by February that he is now, the Celtics should trade him for a better, veteran point guard. Actually, given the two teams' time frames, I think a Rondo for Andre Miller swap would have made a lot of sense this year (a bunch of role players would have to have been added to make the salaries match, though).

first it was Ray's fault now its Rondo's...

Rondo is a distributor defender disruptor and 1 man break and is an unsung piece to this 60 plus win season

how about a KG beat the zone or double down the stretch [the way Timmy has year in and year out b4 Parker became reliable from outside]

I am just identifying weaknesses that they will have to address. That doesn't mean I'm saying it's 100% one guy's fault. It's a combination of many guys. It's also there first year together!!! Why do you always need to bring this back to a KG-Duncan comparison? It's like you always feel the need to prove that Duncan is better, even when the other person isn't even talking or thinking about Duncan.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-23-2008 2:48 PM]
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5/23/2008  2:58 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Rondo is killing the Celtics with his lack of a jump shot (or perhaps just lack of confidence in his jump shot). He's one of the fastest players in the league, maybe even the fastest. He'd be outstanding if he could hit jump shots consistently. That said, if he's the same player by February that he is now, the Celtics should trade him for a better, veteran point guard. Actually, given the two teams' time frames, I think a Rondo for Andre Miller swap would have made a lot of sense this year (a bunch of role players would have to have been added to make the salaries match, though).

Doc should be giving Cassell more run. His experience could be invaluable. Rondo played 40+ minutes in the first 2 games when he only averaged 30mpg all season. Doc is riding him into the ground.
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5/23/2008  6:09 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Rondo is killing the Celtics with his lack of a jump shot (or perhaps just lack of confidence in his jump shot). He's one of the fastest players in the league, maybe even the fastest. He'd be outstanding if he could hit jump shots consistently. That said, if he's the same player by February that he is now, the Celtics should trade him for a better, veteran point guard. Actually, given the two teams' time frames, I think a Rondo for Andre Miller swap would have made a lot of sense this year (a bunch of role players would have to have been added to make the salaries match, though).

Doc should be giving Cassell more run. His experience could be invaluable. Rondo played 40+ minutes in the first 2 games when he only averaged 30mpg all season. Doc is riding him into the ground.
I think Cassell is finished. He's 37 and playing like 47. He didn't impress me at all in the regular season or playoffs. I think Doc has determined that they can't afford to play him.
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5/23/2008  6:50 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Rondo is killing the Celtics with his lack of a jump shot (or perhaps just lack of confidence in his jump shot). He's one of the fastest players in the league, maybe even the fastest. He'd be outstanding if he could hit jump shots consistently. That said, if he's the same player by February that he is now, the Celtics should trade him for a better, veteran point guard. Actually, given the two teams' time frames, I think a Rondo for Andre Miller swap would have made a lot of sense this year (a bunch of role players would have to have been added to make the salaries match, though).

first it was Ray's fault now its Rondo's...

Rondo is a distributor defender disruptor and 1 man break and is an unsung piece to this 60 plus win season

how about a KG beat the zone or double down the stretch [the way Timmy has year in and year out b4 Parker became reliable from outside]

I am just identifying weaknesses that they will have to address. That doesn't mean I'm saying it's 100% one guy's fault. It's a combination of many guys. It's also there first year together!!! Why do you always need to bring this back to a KG-Duncan comparison? It's like you always feel the need to prove that Duncan is better, even when the other person isn't even talking or thinking about Duncan.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-23-2008 2:48 PM]

its nothing serious

just a little b@ll bust!n about KG stemming from the bonn "whose the best big man polls" + i know how much u love his game

its a shame this team has lost believers as the games unfold. KG has been his usual efficient self but it seems outta the big 3 only Pierce understands what kind of aggressiveness is needed to get to the final round

[Edited by - McK1 on 23-05-2008 6:50 PM]
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5/23/2008  7:27 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Rondo is killing the Celtics with his lack of a jump shot (or perhaps just lack of confidence in his jump shot). He's one of the fastest players in the league, maybe even the fastest. He'd be outstanding if he could hit jump shots consistently. That said, if he's the same player by February that he is now, the Celtics should trade him for a better, veteran point guard. Actually, given the two teams' time frames, I think a Rondo for Andre Miller swap would have made a lot of sense this year (a bunch of role players would have to have been added to make the salaries match, though).

first it was Ray's fault now its Rondo's...

Rondo is a distributor defender disruptor and 1 man break and is an unsung piece to this 60 plus win season

how about a KG beat the zone or double down the stretch [the way Timmy has year in and year out b4 Parker became reliable from outside]

I am just identifying weaknesses that they will have to address. That doesn't mean I'm saying it's 100% one guy's fault. It's a combination of many guys. It's also there first year together!!! Why do you always need to bring this back to a KG-Duncan comparison? It's like you always feel the need to prove that Duncan is better, even when the other person isn't even talking or thinking about Duncan.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-23-2008 2:48 PM]

its nothing serious

just a little b@ll bust!n about KG stemming from the bonn "whose the best big man polls" + i know how much u love his game

its a shame this team has lost believers as the games unfold. KG has been his usual efficient self but it seems outta the big 3 only Pierce understands what kind of aggressiveness is needed to get to the final round

[Edited by - McK1 on 23-05-2008 6:50 PM]
They choose to run their offense through Pierce. You can't run your offense through three players. The team has lost believers?
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5/23/2008  8:09 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:


They choose to run their offense through Pierce. You can't run your offense through three players. The team has lost believers?

i think Doc is choosing to run his o thru whomever is demonstrating the most aggressiveness b/n Paul and KG

and take the poll over on realgm 4 instance 58% out of 1100 plus voters chose Detroit to win this series. the espn poll 54.2% out of over 77000 think overall Detroit will win.
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5/23/2008  10:25 PM
Posted by McK1:
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They choose to run their offense through Pierce. You can't run your offense through three players. The team has lost believers?

i think Doc is choosing to run his o thru whomever is demonstrating the most aggressiveness b/n Paul and KG

and take the poll over on realgm 4 instance 58% out of 1100 plus voters chose Detroit to win this series. the espn poll 54.2% out of over 77000 think overall Detroit will win.
What does that have to do with losing believers? Losing implies there were more than there currently are. I bet it would have been around 50/50 before the series. I also would call myself a "believer" even if the Celtics lose the series. (I don't get the connection you're making.) I'm a believer that the Celtics are in a good position and can make changes to put them over the edge if necessary. I guess it depends on what you mean by believer--believe in what? I think the term implies something more long-term than any one series but maybe you meant something different.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-23-2008 10:37 PM]
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5/23/2008  11:46 PM
Boy, did the Spurs get their old asses kicked tonight.

Lakers held serve - going back to San Antonio.
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5/24/2008  6:41 AM
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Boy, did the Spurs get their old asses kicked tonight.

Lakers held serve - going back to San Antonio.
SA looks scared!
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5/24/2008  8:25 AM
spurs should be, but not of lakers, for the fear of what pop has to say.

do they boo in san antonio
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5/24/2008  9:05 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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They choose to run their offense through Pierce. You can't run your offense through three players. The team has lost believers?

i think Doc is choosing to run his o thru whomever is demonstrating the most aggressiveness b/n Paul and KG

and take the poll over on realgm 4 instance 58% out of 1100 plus voters chose Detroit to win this series. the espn poll 54.2% out of over 77000 think overall Detroit will win.
What does that have to do with losing believers? Losing implies there were more than there currently are. I bet it would have been around 50/50 before the series. I also would call myself a "believer" even if the Celtics lose the series. (I don't get the connection you're making.) I'm a believer that the Celtics are in a good position and can make changes to put them over the edge if necessary. I guess it depends on what you mean by believer--believe in what? I think the term implies something more long-term than any one series but maybe you meant something different.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-23-2008 10:37 PM]

when the season first started Boston was the consensus favorite to win the East. now be it the casual fan or the people paid to opinion the sport, they have lost a lot of believers.

KG Allen and Pierce's age and mileage dictate a short window to win it all.
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5/24/2008  9:21 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:
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Posted by Bonn1997:


They choose to run their offense through Pierce. You can't run your offense through three players. The team has lost believers?

i think Doc is choosing to run his o thru whomever is demonstrating the most aggressiveness b/n Paul and KG

and take the poll over on realgm 4 instance 58% out of 1100 plus voters chose Detroit to win this series. the espn poll 54.2% out of over 77000 think overall Detroit will win.
What does that have to do with losing believers? Losing implies there were more than there currently are. I bet it would have been around 50/50 before the series. I also would call myself a "believer" even if the Celtics lose the series. (I don't get the connection you're making.) I'm a believer that the Celtics are in a good position and can make changes to put them over the edge if necessary. I guess it depends on what you mean by believer--believe in what? I think the term implies something more long-term than any one series but maybe you meant something different.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-23-2008 10:37 PM]

when the season first started Boston was the consensus favorite to win the East. now be it the casual fan or the people paid to opinion the sport, they have lost a lot of believers.

KG Allen and Pierce's age and mileage dictate a short window to win it all.
I really don't think that's true. I heard a lot of people saying they mortgaged their future and still didn't have a deep enough team to win a title anyway. I actually disagreed with the Ray Allen and KG trades at the time, although I now believe I was wrong then.
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5/24/2008  10:51 AM
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I really don't think that's true. I heard a lot of people saying they mortgaged their future and still didn't have a deep enough team to win a title anyway. I actually disagreed with the Ray Allen and KG trades at the time, although I now believe I was wrong then.

check the major sports networks archives, the majority of fans and analysts alike picked Boston to win the East

by the all-star break the C's bandwagon was overflowing with folk

[Edited by - McK1 on 24-05-2008 11:21 AM]
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5/24/2008  12:31 PM
I'm gonna have to call a spade a spade and say that you're simply wrong. Here's what I found in about 5 minutes. I don't have more time than that to look for predictions at the start of the season.

Bill Simmons (espn): http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071030&sportCat=nba
Boston: 49-33 (3rd place in east)

John Hollinger (espn): http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=HollingerForecastIndex0708
Boston: 50-32 (3rd place in east)
Hoffman (foxsports)
Marty Burns (sports illustrated)
Boston: 7th in NBA
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/marty_burns/10/29/power.rankings/index.html

Hoopshpe.com http://hoopshype.com/predictions_2008.htm
Jorge Sierra: Boston 2nd in east (advancing to NBA finals)
Marc Narducci: Boston 2nd in east
Gery Woelfel: Boston 8th in east
Dee Brown: Boston 2nd in east
Eddie Johnson: Boston 2nd in east


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5/24/2008  6:13 PM
The Celtics are a victim of their own regular season success. At the beginning of the year most people thought they would be a very good team but would need at least a season to get KG, Pierce and Allen on the same page. That obviously happened a lot sooner than expected.

I think the Celtics are ahead of schedule and shouldn't be killed if they don't win it all this year. For the next 2 years though, the expectations should be to go all the way.
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5/24/2008  7:37 PM
celtics put all their eggs in the starting lineup. bean bench is the least desirable of any team playing now

look at the final 4 coaching: phil jackson, greg popovich, flip saunders and doc rivers.
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5/24/2008  7:55 PM
couple of top sites that popped on a google search

http://www.thetrainofthought.com/2007/10/nba-preditions.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2007/news/story?page=Experts-EastChamps

you're right, prime time NBA analysts went majority Bulls in the preseason

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5/24/2008  8:37 PM
as i sit here trapped in long island w/ family friends...only thing saving me is this basketball game.

i would like to offer $10,000 to the guy that takes a shovel and hits the detroit pistons' PA announcer in the face.
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5/24/2008  10:01 PM
Ray and Paul had terrible 1st halves, and yet Boston is up by 18! They had a lot of other contributors and KG's scoring was very good. Pierce wasn't good for anything other than turnovers.
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5/24/2008  11:24 PM
I guess Boston can win on the road after all!
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