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K22
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11/25/2006  9:59 PM
ZERO shots for Steph. WTF.
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11/25/2006  9:59 PM
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by joec32033:

Tom, it's a catch 22. The players want the fans to cheer and support them, but the players need to give the crowd some type of hope.

It is a catch 22. If the crowd wants some type of hope, they should cheer and support the team to help them play better. Or at least spare the boos for only the worst of scenarios.

Hey, it's not always easy to play well in an NBA game. Knicks play against a tough D and cough it up for a stretch. It happens. It's a lot easier as a fan to hold off of kicking the team while they're down.

Once again I never said it's right, just that it can be justified, and for some reason the players are allowed to use it as an excuse for poor play.
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11/25/2006  9:59 PM
trade marbury and the boos will deminish
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11/25/2006  9:59 PM
Posted by K22:

ZERO shots for Steph. WTF.

Is that a Good WTF? We made it close with that stat.
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11/25/2006  10:00 PM
LOL @ blue seats with the marbury solution..........
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11/25/2006  10:00 PM
Posted by joec32033:
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Posted by tomverve:
Posted by joec32033:

There are alot of differences between home and road games other than the crowd to just draw the inference that the crowd is the reason.


There is no "THE" reason. But clearly the crowd is playing a role in the team's misfortunes at home. Home court is supposed to be an advantage to the home team, not a disadvantage.

Tom, it's a catch 22. The players want the fans to cheer and support them, but the players need to give the crowd some type of hope.

This whole comeback the crowd has been going NUTS! The team is giving something back to them, and are getting amazing support.

The crowd do not want to support them right now. they want to boo Isiah and Dolan. they are not watching what's on the court, only what they want to see.

the crowd is going Nuts because the real fans have stayed and the lame fans have left.

Crzy, no offense so please don't take any, but do you realize how paranoid that sounds?

I'm a paranoid guy. Hey, if I saw Dolan on the street, I'd boo relentlessly. But I cheer the players. they're trying. that's all I want.

you don't think some of the rich fans are fairweather?
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11/25/2006  10:01 PM
I hope he starts Francis-Q-Balkman-Lee and Frye(if available) next game.
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11/25/2006  10:01 PM
What is this "excuse" thing? Seriously. Are you saying that the booing of the fans, whether it's justified or not, has no effect on the team's play at home?

If so, how do you explain the enormous disparity between home and road records?

If not, why is it an "excuse" to point out a legitimate causal factor in the Knicks' poor home play?
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11/25/2006  10:01 PM
Posted by joec32033:

I hope he starts Francis-Q-Balkman-Lee and Frye(if available) next game.

dont hold your breath
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11/25/2006  10:01 PM
Posted by joec32033:

I hope he starts Francis-Q-Balkman-Lee and Frye(if available) next game.

Q and Frye will probably both be out.
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11/25/2006  10:01 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by joec32033:

There are alot of differences between home and road games other than the crowd to just draw the inference that the crowd is the reason.


There is no "THE" reason. But clearly the crowd is playing a role in the team's misfortunes at home. Home court is supposed to be an advantage to the home team, not a disadvantage.

Tom, it's a catch 22. The players want the fans to cheer and support them, but the players need to give the crowd some type of hope.

This whole comeback the crowd has been going NUTS! The team is giving something back to them, and are getting amazing support.

The crowd do not want to support them right now. they want to boo Isiah and Dolan. they are not watching what's on the court, only what they want to see.

the crowd is going Nuts because the real fans have stayed and the lame fans have left.

Crzy, no offense so please don't take any, but do you realize how paranoid that sounds?

I'm a paranoid guy. Hey, if I saw Dolan on the street, I'd boo relentlessly. But I cheer the players. they're trying. that's all I want.

you don't think some of the rich fans are fairweather?

I absolutely thing the corporate fans are fairweather. but do you think they boo as loud as the true fans cheer? I don't think so.
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11/25/2006  10:02 PM
Marbury is such a bitch sitting there with his towel while we tryna make a come back.. **** him seriously

PS. I like Francis, i dont care if hes not the BEST player.. the dude cares and he tries.
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11/25/2006  10:03 PM
Posted by Elite:

Marbury is such a bitch sitting there with his towel while we tryna make a come back.. **** him seriously

PS. I like Francis, i dont care if hes not the BEST player.. the dude cares and he tries.

yeah, unless there's some reason we don't know about for Marbury to be playing like this, Marbury needs to go. Immediately.
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11/25/2006  10:03 PM
Posted by tomverve:

What is this "excuse" thing? Seriously. Are you saying that the booing of the fans, whether it's justified or not, has no effect on the team's play at home?

If so, how do you explain the enormous disparity between home and road records?

If not, why is it an "excuse" to point out a legitimate causal factor in the Knicks' poor home play?

I just went through this exact conversation with Crzy. I am not doing it again. Just reread the thread.
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11/25/2006  10:04 PM
francis > marbury

real talk

francis plays with emotion and heart, something marbury doesnt show....and also...

turnovers did us in
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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11/25/2006  10:05 PM
Posted by joec32033:

I just went through this exact conversation with Crzy. I am not doing it again. Just reread the thread.

No effort there...

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11/25/2006  10:05 PM
Posted by joec32033:

I hope he starts Francis-Q-Balkman-Lee and Frye(if available) next game.


Joe, I'm with you, especially on the benching Curry and playing Frye part. Curry makes me so sick with his uneven play.

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11/25/2006  10:06 PM
Posted by joec32033:


I absolutely thing the corporate fans are fairweather. but do you think they boo as loud as the true fans cheer? I don't think so.

I don't think the real fans are cheering at the start of the game. I think they hate Marbury and Isiah and Curry and are frustrated and then they cheer Nate, Dlee and Balkman. But I still believe we'd be better at home with fewer boos.

We had 25 turnovers tonight, I'd love to see the home/road split on our turnovers.
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11/25/2006  10:06 PM
tom, I admire your attempt to reason with those that can't be reasoned with.

Hence the problem with the state of Knick-fandom.

It's not a type of mafia...

It's a radical fundamentalist state of mind, where EVERYTHING is either 100% one way or 100% the other way. Gray areas only exist in the minds of so-called "kool-aid" drinkers.



Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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11/25/2006  10:07 PM
Hmmm, not taking a shot all night. That sounds familiar.

I'm REALLY looking forward to this postgame.
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