Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by joec32033:

Reporter: "Isiah did you feel you made a mistake getting your second technical down six in the 4th?"


Isiah: "At the time I didn't, but maybe tonight I will.".

Well, it does require a lot of thought and reflection, LOL.

Crawford really helped me on the game picker with that last second shot.

Posted by BigC:

Posted by BlueSeats:

if my memory serves me correctly (of his halftime stats) marbury got 4 pts and 1 assist in about 23 mins of PT in the second half.

now he had zero TOs, so it wasn't all bad, but 4/1 in 23 mins. was his presence really so much more critical than giving more 2nd half play to frye and/or balkman? i mean this is with 3 other guards already out there. balkman got 4 pts and 4 assists in his 12 mins. that's 3 more assists in half the time, but he can't get PT?

To be honest those minutes should had gone to Francis. Francis was on a roll.

if one feels the need to go with a 4 guard alignment, then yes (Francis fouled out, btw, so it'd be hard to give him too many more minutes) But what about balkman with 4 pts, 3 steals, 4 asts and 4 rebs in 12 mins? I felt our best play was when he was forcing TOs and then pushing on the break. and he might have been able to do a little better defensively against pierce in the 4th quarter.

Posted by oohah:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by BigC:

Posted by BlueSeats:

if my memory serves me correctly (of his halftime stats) marbury got 4 pts and 1 assist in about 23 mins of PT in the second half.

now he had zero TOs, so it wasn't all bad, but 4/1 in 23 mins. was his presence really so much more critical than giving more 2nd half play to frye and/or balkman? i mean this is with 3 other guards already out there. balkman got 4 pts and 4 assists in his 12 mins. that's 3 more assists in half the time, but he can't get PT?

To be honest those minutes should had gone to Francis. Francis was on a roll.

if one feels the need to go with a 4 guard alignment, then yes (Francis fouled out, btw, so it'd be hard to give him too many more minutes) But what about balkman with 4 pts, 3 steals, 4 asts and 4 rebs in 12 mins? I felt our best play was when he was forcing TOs and then pushing on the break. and he might have been able to do a little better defensively against pierce in the 4th quarter.

Balkman might make few good plays on Pierce to start, but Pierce is way too savvy and he would eat Balkman alive once he analyzes Balkman a little.

oohah

he'd do that to balkman but not to marbury?

recall, the topic we're discussing was whether marbury's play warranted 44 mins while others sat.

Posted by oohah:

he'd do that to balkman but not to marbury?

He'd do it to anyone. BUt my point is that the answer was not Balkman.

recall, the topic we're discussing was whether marbury's play warranted 44 mins while others sat.

I did not read that far back.

I think Francis was the one who got hosed on time

and to me JC is the one who should have been pulled. I think Frye shold have started the second half over Balkman. I hope Isiah does not get to hung up on Balkman, he will take his lumps like any other rookie. I think he will be a good player though.

Posted by BlueSeats:


Anyway, not important enough to re-do, in fact, since I know we have guys who track this sort of thing let me say now that my participation should be diminishing going forward. I have some health and life issues I need to get a handle on (was in the hospital for 5 days earlier in the week - but I'm okay), and just don't have the passion for the minutia right now. I'll still be around, but in a reduced capacity. Heck, I didn't even post in either of the "why we hate marbury" threads.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by oohah:

Nor was it Marbury.

Okay, but I'll go vet over rookie all things being equal. I am not pulling for Marbury in this situation, sh!t, give Collins a shot, I like his D.

It was all contained in what you quoted.

Then I did not realize the entire discussion was Marbury V. Balkman.

he fouled out

In the fourth quarter he fouled out. He was effective, and fouls or no, he would have been better than Crawford's wild butt in the 3rd.

I'd have been okay with frye too, but a) he had 4 fouls in 13 mins, and b) isiah wanted to go small to keep up with them.

Let him fould out then. ANd sometimes the thing to do is make the other team adjust. For instance, go big with Curry, JJ and Frye. Something like that.

he was playing 4 guards plus lee. I think in that situation, and when their best player is a SG/SF, we be better off with 3 guards plus balkman and lee. Balkman was really making things happen tonight and I think he's our best defender against pierce.

Balkman was doing some nice things in the first half, his second half was not so great. I think I would put Q on peirce before Balkman. And I did not like the 3-4 guard lineup.

and while none of us like it, jamal is our go-to guy, especially in the second half. historically we live and die by this guy, and probably will continue to until someone else exhibits clutchness.

I like Francis better as a go-to guy. Jamal's lack of conscience makes him deadly to the other team and to us. I have seen some nice stuff from Francis in closing second situations throughout his career.

oohah

Iysh, I was preparing a line by line response and somehow lost while while checking the boxscore.

Anyway, not important enough to re-do, in fact, since I know we have guys who track this sort of thing let me say now that my participation should be diminishing going forward. I have some health and life issues I need to get a handle on (was in the hospital for 5 days earlier in the week - but I'm okay), and just don't have the passion for the minutia right now. I'll still be around, but in a reduced capacity. Heck, I didn't even post in either of the "why we hate marbury" threads.

Let me just say for the record that I expect us to continue forward in mediocrity. We'll have some win-streaks and loss-streaks and we'll all flutter back and forth over who's more right and what it takes to be considered a fan, but we'll end the season just out of contention for the 8th seed with a 33-40 win season. I look across the league and except for the Elite teams I see a lot of parity. There are very few teams I can say with confidence we are better than, or should beat. Maybe charlotte or Toronto (depending on how their Euros turnout and on TJ's health), but that's a bout it. So there's no reason I should expect us to be above the lowest third percentile of the league, but we have enough veterans and depth that I think we'll be in the upper ranks of that lowest third percentile of the league.

People think I hate Isiah because I've been critical of his rebuild. Yes, I think he's emotionally mecurial and petty and it's affected his handling of employees. And I disagreed with trying to make Marbury a focal point of the club and in using expiring contracts and first rd picks to acquire him and his ilk. I'd have preferred if he'd put a priority on lowering payroll and amassing HIGH draft picks. I'm thrilled we dumped Jalen and Mo so we don't have to sweat trouble at the trade deadline, so credit to Dolan, Mills or whoever is responsible for that. But we're still a team of beat up vets and role players. We're franchise player starved, and high picks are the best means to get one, and we are deficient in those. That having been said, if Dolan/Mills/Isiah would announce that isiah's contract will be extended but that we're gearing for a more traditional draft oriented rebuild I'd support Isiah in that because he's got a good draft eye, and that's what we need. .

But let's be clear, I'm looking for quality of picks, not quantity.

Anyway, I'm still around, but don't be surprised if I leave conversations hanging, or don't post after some wins. I'm just saying cuz I know guys are keeping score...

Good luck with your health Blue, I look forward to your full return. In the meantime, I'll be keeping score.

oohah