Nalod wrote:
Orangeblobman,

Wikileaks spokesman says they are 100% accurate.
4 out of 5 dentists recommend Trident gum. Whats up with the 5th? Why is he against trident gum?
Objective reporting means dealing with facts. In the absence of verification some will see that as "Proof Positive".
Why don't they fight them? If you ask me, I don't think many that deal in the realm of reality take it seriously given the source.

I know it must be frustrating for you to see so many things and can't imagine why so many with education backgrounds "don't get it".
Since you don't know why, then your not doing research, your satisfying your own agenda. That's OK, just recognize it.
Its not that many of us are really in love with Hillary, its just that Trump is not our guy.

Can you think of an example of a forged Wikileaks email or anything that has come from them? Just one?
I haven't heard of any, so until we have reason not to trust them, we should at least listen (and fact check by checking servers, that have not been deleted, lol.)

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Holfresh and Bonn - Sure, I can accept there were some duplicates but we are talking 650,000 email. How many were duplicates? What is reasonable? It took the FBI how 18 or so months to go through 30,000 or so.) They didn't even have time to go through but few thousand. Perhaps they come out with an actual amount that is believable, but I see no indication was given. "Most" can mean 51%, that still leaves 1/3 of a million emails to go through.

I'm not saying Comey is helping her, I'm not sure who likes Comey at this point or any point in time since he first cleared Hillary. Something is just fishy in all this.

Again, you're assuming guilt (on the part of the FBI) until innocence is proven. How many were duplicates? All they said were most, and frankly, the FBI usually doesn't give specific information to the public. What does most mean? It could be 50% + 1. Or it could be 649,999 out of 650,000. Or somewhere in between.

Bonn - Hillary deleted emails AFTER the State Department asked for them. And then she asked the FBI to release the emails when she went under "inquiry". What is wrong with this picture? It doesn't add up.

Hillary did not delete e-mails! Her attorneys and legal team deleted e-mails that *they* deemed to be personal and not relevant to the subpoena. They risked their legal licenses just to protect Hillary? And then Republican James Comey missed this?

How can we prove anything if they don't say anything?

You are missing the bigger point.
The emails show DEEP CORRUPTION, Quid Pro Quo, Collusion, etc. Talk about the content.

I could honestly care less about the deletion, because that is what got this whole thing started. Had she not broken the law, we wouldn't have gotten this far.

We each break the law thousands of times a day. I'm not sure what law you're saying she's broken but it doesn't matter - the point is the FBI cleared her of anything criminal. (Breaking the law is not the same as committing a crime.) Now you can say the investigation was rigged but you can only do that if you assume guilt on the FBI's part until innocence is proven - you haven't proven guilt on their part.

It doesn't matter what law she has broken? Because the FBI says so? But what about the clear Quid Pro Quo between the FBI and Hillary - the Wikileaks emails?
You can't have criminals investigating themselves.

If she does become president and the Shizz hits the fan, remember that one...

earthmansurfer wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Holfresh and Bonn - Sure, I can accept there were some duplicates but we are talking 650,000 email. How many were duplicates? What is reasonable? It took the FBI how 18 or so months to go through 30,000 or so.) They didn't even have time to go through but few thousand. Perhaps they come out with an actual amount that is believable, but I see no indication was given. "Most" can mean 51%, that still leaves 1/3 of a million emails to go through.

I'm not saying Comey is helping her, I'm not sure who likes Comey at this point or any point in time since he first cleared Hillary. Something is just fishy in all this.

Again, you're assuming guilt (on the part of the FBI) until innocence is proven. How many were duplicates? All they said were most, and frankly, the FBI usually doesn't give specific information to the public. What does most mean? It could be 50% + 1. Or it could be 649,999 out of 650,000. Or somewhere in between.

Bonn - Hillary deleted emails AFTER the State Department asked for them. And then she asked the FBI to release the emails when she went under "inquiry". What is wrong with this picture? It doesn't add up.

Hillary did not delete e-mails! Her attorneys and legal team deleted e-mails that *they* deemed to be personal and not relevant to the subpoena. They risked their legal licenses just to protect Hillary? And then Republican James Comey missed this?

How can we prove anything if they don't say anything?

You are missing the bigger point.
The emails show DEEP CORRUPTION, Quid Pro Quo, Collusion, etc. Talk about the content.

I could honestly care less about the deletion, because that is what got this whole thing started. Had she not broken the law, we wouldn't have gotten this far.

We each break the law thousands of times a day. I'm not sure what law you're saying she's broken but it doesn't matter - the point is the FBI cleared her of anything criminal. (Breaking the law is not the same as committing a crime.) Now you can say the investigation was rigged but you can only do that if you assume guilt on the FBI's part until innocence is proven - you haven't proven guilt on their part.

It doesn't matter what law she has broken? Because the FBI says so? But what about the clear Quid Pro Quo between the FBI and Hillary - the Wikileaks emails?
You can't have criminals investigating themselves.

If she does become president and the Shizz hits the fan, remember that one...

BRIGGS wrote:True story. Chinese guy here in the Us illegally. His family and the individual ended up losing a lot of money at Foxwoods casino. This guy for some reason drinks something like radiator fluid to hurt himself because he's upset. He starts getting sick his family bring him to Yale New Haven Hospital. Long story short he goes into coma and spends the next two years on my wife's floor. His family never visits him once in over two years. He racks up a bill of over 10 mm that time. That's TEN million dollars that eventually the government has to pay for. Think about it the current rules takes care of this guy who is essentially dead for 2 years but if we get sick like that and we pass max insurance levels that can send 99.9% of population into bankruptcy. This man. We paid for him. Now multiply that times how many illegal immigrants and that is one of the bigger reasons medical insurance is rediculous and why illegal immigrants hurt the country. They know the system the loopholes and use it.

It will cost 600 billions dollars to deport illegal immigrants..So if your concern is money then do the math...And this is yet another reason Trump should be held accountable for paying his taxes...This burden is on suckers like you and me..Not guys like Trump...Remember Leona Hemsley, only the little people pay taxes..A code trump lives by...

earthmansurfer wrote:

martin wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Comey is a liar. They reviewed how many emails in 8 days?

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/795448080317419520

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/795448692354535425

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/795449346779181057

and this is exactly why no one can take you seriously. Ever.

General Flynn is an advisor to Trump, hardly a good source for this type of opinion or examination of fact.

This is also 2016 not 1971 and we have computers and laptops that are really fast. So fast most undergrad students could take a 5 day period and write from scratch a very simple program to compare one set of emails with another (that have undoubtedly been put into some sort of very nice database). With a more senior level person, this task should be able to get completed in about a day, and yet it still took a week. The question really remains as to why it took so long, that's the follow up scandal here, along with the initial announcement of this distraction.

You get led along fairy easily and are also damaging to the discourse of too many things to count, a political spammer of sorts, and it's very hurtful to yourself and plenty of others and very certainly to the fabric of our country. I call out Guns and BRIGGS the same way. A group of lemmings of another sort.

It's really easy to read up on these things and not look for a conclusion that suits your viewpoint. Take the information, look at opinion, look at who is writing the opinion, look at what others are saying about the opinion (but not NY Post or Fox or the other garbage sites you post) and come to a conclusion. Use Google, it's really easy.

Martin how can you speak for everyone? That really is not fair to make statements like that.

Do you think Hillary and company wrote emails that explicitly state things that involve breaking the law? She is a lawyer, very early rule - don't put it in writing, when breaking the law.
They really have to go through those emails closely, e.g. as alias' can be used and things not written so openly. Do you think it is really a matter of searching for key words involved in breaking the law.

I'm open to more forms of information, not just MSM, don't discount what I say, though a fair amount of what I say is from MSM.
Again, please stop the name calling (e.g. lemming), especially because you disagree with me. You are a mod, no place for that here. I am not here to cause problems. I'm here to talk about something that affects us all. My intentions are extremely good - I'm worried about war. Not trying to win an argument.
It is not a "win" for me to win a discussion, not the point.

It really seems like MSM has a lot of people in a choke hold, as if it doesn't come from them it can't be true. That is extremely dangerous when one considers they are all owned by 5 or 6 companies.

You can't just throw away MSM.

Why did you try to make a point by showing Twitter posts by a random someone who you do not know? He is not a computer expert and a Trump advisor. Why are you quoting that person?

Also, what do you know about General Micheal T Flynn? And why did you choose to site this person to prove a point? You came to a conclusion. Why? Based on what?

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Comey is a liar. They reviewed how many emails in 8 days?

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/795448080317419520

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/795448692354535425

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/795449346779181057

and this is exactly why no one can take you seriously. Ever.

General Flynn is an advisor to Trump, hardly a good source for this type of opinion or examination of fact.

This is also 2016 not 1971 and we have computers and laptops that are really fast. So fast most undergrad students could take a 5 day period and write from scratch a very simple program to compare one set of emails with another (that have undoubtedly been put into some sort of very nice database). With a more senior level person, this task should be able to get completed in about a day, and yet it still took a week. The question really remains as to why it took so long, that's the follow up scandal here, along with the initial announcement of this distraction.

You get led along fairy easily and are also damaging to the discourse of too many things to count, a political spammer of sorts, and it's very hurtful to yourself and plenty of others and very certainly to the fabric of our country. I call out Guns and BRIGGS the same way. A group of lemmings of another sort.

It's really easy to read up on these things and not look for a conclusion that suits your viewpoint. Take the information, look at opinion, look at who is writing the opinion, look at what others are saying about the opinion (but not NY Post or Fox or the other garbage sites you post) and come to a conclusion. Use Google, it's really easy.

Martin don't call me a lemming unless you do it to my face. I've never said personal sht to you in 15 years here. It's only your opinion and if it's personal keep it to you self and I don't give a fck if you own the site or not . Don't say sht about me personally you don't know me thank you

dont post **** to this site and then run and hide after you have been politely and then more emphatically called out. If you'd like a common sense back and forth on opinion and fact, take a step forward and do it, cause you have not even come close.

Otherwise stop being a bully and a spammer of the incorrect,

LOL--man I could sit here with facts all day and you would then say show me the facts.

Here is Hillary

An incompetent government official desperately exposed for being grossly negligent dishonest potentially criminally corrupt at the highest of levels an enabler of her husbands prolific and numerous sexual exploits dating back 30 years. She slept in her bed as US government officials were slaughtered has done a lousy job as Secretary of State. Bizarrely said she was under fire in Bosnia when the reality was she was being presented flowers from children. She has presented no platform she simply relied on scripted answers while cheating in the debates and focusing on letting D Trump know he said bad words 15 years ago. She is no leader no role model has had to rely on others to get points across to the US citizens because no one really wants to listen to her. Her own colleagues actually dislike her. She is the true originator of Obamacare--thats her big policy point she staretd 25 yeras ago--greta job there. What else?

martin wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

martin wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Comey is a liar. They reviewed how many emails in 8 days?

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/795448080317419520

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/795448692354535425

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/795449346779181057

and this is exactly why no one can take you seriously. Ever.

General Flynn is an advisor to Trump, hardly a good source for this type of opinion or examination of fact.

This is also 2016 not 1971 and we have computers and laptops that are really fast. So fast most undergrad students could take a 5 day period and write from scratch a very simple program to compare one set of emails with another (that have undoubtedly been put into some sort of very nice database). With a more senior level person, this task should be able to get completed in about a day, and yet it still took a week. The question really remains as to why it took so long, that's the follow up scandal here, along with the initial announcement of this distraction.

You get led along fairy easily and are also damaging to the discourse of too many things to count, a political spammer of sorts, and it's very hurtful to yourself and plenty of others and very certainly to the fabric of our country. I call out Guns and BRIGGS the same way. A group of lemmings of another sort.

It's really easy to read up on these things and not look for a conclusion that suits your viewpoint. Take the information, look at opinion, look at who is writing the opinion, look at what others are saying about the opinion (but not NY Post or Fox or the other garbage sites you post) and come to a conclusion. Use Google, it's really easy.

Martin how can you speak for everyone? That really is not fair to make statements like that.

Do you think Hillary and company wrote emails that explicitly state things that involve breaking the law? She is a lawyer, very early rule - don't put it in writing, when breaking the law.
They really have to go through those emails closely, e.g. as alias' can be used and things not written so openly. Do you think it is really a matter of searching for key words involved in breaking the law.

I'm open to more forms of information, not just MSM, don't discount what I say, though a fair amount of what I say is from MSM.
Again, please stop the name calling (e.g. lemming), especially because you disagree with me. You are a mod, no place for that here. I am not here to cause problems. I'm here to talk about something that affects us all. My intentions are extremely good - I'm worried about war. Not trying to win an argument.
It is not a "win" for me to win a discussion, not the point.

It really seems like MSM has a lot of people in a choke hold, as if it doesn't come from them it can't be true. That is extremely dangerous when one considers they are all owned by 5 or 6 companies.

You can't just throw away MSM.

Why did you try to make a point by showing Twitter posts by a random someone who you do not know? He is not a computer expert and a Trump advisor. Why are you quoting that person?

Also, what do you know about General Micheal T Flynn? And why did you choose to site this person to prove a point? You came to a conclusion. Why? Based on what?

I'm not saying to throw away MSM, as I said "a fair amount of what I say is from MSM."
How do you reach that conclusion?

I'm saying open things up. MSM will NOT go deep into sensitive topics with Hillary, that has become clear. Look at the Quid Pro Quo, Correct the Record as large examples.

The Twitter post was about the information. I saw the information, not the poster, it was a good point, still is - it was in part, statistics. I mean it is ad hominem to just attack the person and not the message. Look at the message.

I could have found a better source saying that, but just look at the points, they are valid. This argument is like saying "It can't be true because it is not MSM."

I did not even know who General Micheal T Flynn was, I was more caught by the content of his post. (I noticed he was a General though.)
Does it really matter who says "It took them 18 months to go through 30,000 emails and they did 650,000 in 8 days."?
That just caught my attention but ok, some were duplicates, but how many? It seems the public is being left in the dark. Is it National Security? lol

holfresh wrote:
You can't be against war and be a Trump supporter...Trump wants allow nuclear weapons in the Middle East...Do you think we stay on the sidelines for that one..He said he wants to put boots on the ground in Iraq/Syria...

Sure I can be against War and for Trump. A lot of people are. You are taking things out of context, I linked to that article yesterday or the day before about his nuclear comments. He was saying they are in the world, they are deterrents. He was not talking about using them. Regarding boots on the ground, personally, I am against that.

Regardless, Hillary has an agressive record and words to go with it, I am much more concerned about her starting a war than Trump.

I am not saying Trump is the savior, we might very well have a war with him or ANYONE as president, with Hillary, it is all but guaranteed.
A vote for Hillary is a vote for war imo.

BRIGGS wrote:True story. Chinese guy here in the Us illegally. His family and the individual ended up losing a lot of money at Foxwoods casino. This guy for some reason drinks something like radiator fluid to hurt himself because he's upset. He starts getting sick his family bring him to Yale New Haven Hospital. Long story short he goes into coma and spends the next two years on my wife's floor. His family never visits him once in over two years. He racks up a bill of over 10 mm that time. That's TEN million dollars that eventually the government has to pay for. Think about it the current rules takes care of this guy who is essentially dead for 2 years but if we get sick like that and we pass max insurance levels that can send 99.9% of population into bankruptcy. This man. We paid for him. Now multiply that times how many illegal immigrants and that is one of the bigger reasons medical insurance is rediculous and why illegal immigrants hurt the country. They know the system the loopholes and use it.

Thats honestly what you take from that story?

Also do you honestly think it is common practice for illegal immigrants to drink radiator fluid and go into 2 year comas? Do you think its their culture?

How much do you think Trump cheated the country by declaring bankruptcy and avoiding tax?

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:
You can't be against war and be a Trump supporter...Trump wants allow nuclear weapons in the Middle East...Do you think we stay on the sidelines for that one..He said he wants to put boots on the ground in Iraq/Syria...

Sure I can be against War and for Trump. A lot of people are. You are taking things out of context, I linked to that article yesterday or the day before about his nuclear comments. He was saying they are in the world, they are deterrents. He was not talking about using them. Regarding boots on the ground, personally, I am against that.

Regardless, Hillary has an agressive record and words to go with it, I am much more concerned about her starting a war than Trump.

I am not saying Trump is the savior, we might very well have a war with him or ANYONE as president, with Hillary, it is all but guaranteed.
A vote for Hillary is a vote for war imo.

I know you don't care about Trump's stance on nuclear..I just wanted to show you your reasoning for supporting Trump is complete BS and not what you say it is...
I intentionally just said nuclear because that exactly how he says it..He doesn't say nuclear weapons or war..just nuclear...

BRIGGS wrote:True story. Chinese guy here in the Us illegally. His family and the individual ended up losing a lot of money at Foxwoods casino. This guy for some reason drinks something like radiator fluid to hurt himself because he's upset. He starts getting sick his family bring him to Yale New Haven Hospital. Long story short he goes into coma and spends the next two years on my wife's floor. His family never visits him once in over two years. He racks up a bill of over 10 mm that time. That's TEN million dollars that eventually the government has to pay for. Think about it the current rules takes care of this guy who is essentially dead for 2 years but if we get sick like that and we pass max insurance levels that can send 99.9% of population into bankruptcy. This man. We paid for him. Now multiply that times how many illegal immigrants and that is one of the bigger reasons medical insurance is rediculous and why illegal immigrants hurt the country. They know the system the loopholes and use it.

We have 10+ million illegal emigrants who not poison themselves but rather work on the farms, as landscapers, construction workers. etc. If they will not be there everything will go up in price starting with food for American citizens and many of them will not be able to afford medical services they can afford now. To fill the jobs government will need to lover the minimal wage and reduce entitlements to make this low paid jobs attractive to US Citizens... Or we can back to Slavery by sending criminals or soldiers to do this work like it was done in Soviet Union or is dome now in North Korea. What do you prefer?