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Bonn1997
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11/7/2016  8:30 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2016  8:32 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:Holfresh and Bonn - Sure, I can accept there were some duplicates but we are talking 650,000 email. How many were duplicates? What is reasonable? It took the FBI how 18 or so months to go through 30,000 or so.) They didn't even have time to go through but few thousand. Perhaps they come out with an actual amount that is believable, but I see no indication was given. "Most" can mean 51%, that still leaves 1/3 of a million emails to go through.

I'm not saying Comey is helping her, I'm not sure who likes Comey at this point or any point in time since he first cleared Hillary. Something is just fishy in all this.

Again, you're assuming guilt (on the part of the FBI) until innocence is proven. How many were duplicates? All they said were most, and frankly, the FBI usually doesn't give specific information to the public. What does most mean? It could be 50% + 1. Or it could be 649,999 out of 650,000. Or somewhere in between.

Bonn - Hillary deleted emails AFTER the State Department asked for them. And then she asked the FBI to release the emails when she went under "inquiry". What is wrong with this picture? It doesn't add up.

Hillary did not delete e-mails! Her attorneys and legal team deleted e-mails that *they* deemed to be personal and not relevant to the subpoena. They risked their legal licenses just to protect Hillary? And then Republican James Comey missed this?
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11/7/2016  8:32 AM
Nalod wrote:Earthman, reading bias articles that don't fact check is not "research".

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From what I have read from you it appears you like to support your position and read written material that supports a desired conclusion. Thats not research.


Yeah, that's why I asked how many pro-Clinton sources has he read - I wanted to get a sense if he was making any effort to get info. from both sides.
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11/7/2016  9:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2016  9:20 AM
This will show how bias Fox News is. As of 30 minutes ago, they still do not have a link on their website about Comey clearing Clinton. As soon as the news broke a week ago, Fox had like six different stories about emails. CNN and MSNBC also ran stories about the FBI's declaration a week ago because it was legitimate news and they have also now reported the FBI clearing her. Fox News has ignored it. Fox News is the most biased and unfair news reporting service in America.
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11/7/2016  9:30 AM
Nalod wrote:Earthman, Comey has been inappropriate for "the letter" but if its duplicate stuff, then at least he is fair to say there is nothing new.

Wikileaks is very unreliable. How can it be checked for accuracy?
Trump will go down not because of the media, or some made up conspiracy, but because he is Donald J. Trump.
Sometimes you lose.
I know this defies logic for you, but this was Hillary's election to lose.
One day I hope we get a good independent outsider who has the intellect and business acumen with a record he/she can stand up to the vetting process and evolve washington.

Fact is, American's don't want to do the hard job of immigrants or move to places in the country that has work available. There are also of underemployed americans that need to be educated. Manufacturing jobs are not easy jobs. Its America, land of opportunity. Not land of white entitlement and feel sorry for yourselves cuz the CRT TV plant left, or some 14 year old kid can do your job for 10% of what you got paid to do it.
Thats some sad reality and I know lots of people are hurting. But lots of people are also thinking Trump going to fix it. more likely the local republican who is more about keeping transponders out of the bathroom is more interested in keeping his job than getting economic development, or increasing taxes on the middle class, or redistricting or giving teachers pay raised to promote their reelection but cutting school funding making them over worked with less resources!

The war on Christmas or abortion does not spur on economic development or keep heroin off the streets. Real issues. W, Obama and the next president does not set your local agendas.......You do.

Unemployement has been dropping for years now, this is about wage growth and that is stagnant.

And America, stop buying pickup trucks for goodness sake. Those commercials with macho voice guys showing how hard them thar works picking up rocks, tools, and not stuck in mud!!! Buying a hard working truck does not mean you work hard!!! Buying an SUV does not mean your going to get out there and hike either. Fat ass America can do all this with your current vehicle!!!!

Get off your arse America!!!!!! Vote, then go to work. Manufactering jobs are hard, and I doubt your up to the task anyway!

Wikileaks, in 10 years produced 10 million documents with 100% accuracy. How does that compare to NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Fox, MSNBC, Washington Post, New York Times etc.?
Now, we can use verification on some of the Wikileaks emails. I'm not sure how but it has been mentioned recently.
Can you think of any provenly false Wikileaks emails? No, because they won't address it. Can you think of false stories from the MSM? Of course, time and time again.

There is active censorship going on (e.g. Super Pac funded CTC "Correct the Record") on Reddit and other social media platforms and already reports of early voter fraud (In Florida of course.)
Hillary might not win this...

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11/7/2016  9:31 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:My basic position is that a Hillary presidency will mean war with Russia (amongst other nations). A few here have questioned that, but let's look at something very very basic:

Hillary supports a no fly zone in Syria. That is her basic position. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/25/hillary-clinton-syria-no-fly-zones-russia-us-war
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Hillary was for attacking Libya, against Obama's wishes. This is while she was SOS. Imagine when she is president?
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A top US General (Joint Chiefs of Staff) has said:

“Right now… for us to control all of the airspace in Syria would require us to go to war against Syria and Russia,” See 20 second clip below.

We have no right to control the Airspace in Syria with Russia there as a "guest" of Syria. We can't do that, the military definitely doesn't want that, but Hillary does.

Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Party presidential nominee and former US secretary of state, has said that if she becomes president cyberattacks against US interests will be treated "like any other attack" – and that includes military action.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/clinton-us-should-use-military-response-fight-cyberattacks-russia-china-1579187
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Hillary later said Russia is behind the Wikileaks emails.
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Do you see the clear picture? Please see the writing on the wall.

So, in my mind a vote for Hillary, is a vote for war.

I'd like to see some feedback here. This is what matters most, to all of us.

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11/7/2016  9:34 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Holfresh and Bonn - Sure, I can accept there were some duplicates but we are talking 650,000 email. How many were duplicates? What is reasonable? It took the FBI how 18 or so months to go through 30,000 or so.) They didn't even have time to go through but few thousand. Perhaps they come out with an actual amount that is believable, but I see no indication was given. "Most" can mean 51%, that still leaves 1/3 of a million emails to go through.

I'm not saying Comey is helping her, I'm not sure who likes Comey at this point or any point in time since he first cleared Hillary. Something is just fishy in all this.

Again, you're assuming guilt (on the part of the FBI) until innocence is proven. How many were duplicates? All they said were most, and frankly, the FBI usually doesn't give specific information to the public. What does most mean? It could be 50% + 1. Or it could be 649,999 out of 650,000. Or somewhere in between.

Bonn - Hillary deleted emails AFTER the State Department asked for them. And then she asked the FBI to release the emails when she went under "inquiry". What is wrong with this picture? It doesn't add up.

Hillary did not delete e-mails! Her attorneys and legal team deleted e-mails that *they* deemed to be personal and not relevant to the subpoena. They risked their legal licenses just to protect Hillary? And then Republican James Comey missed this?

How can we prove anything if they don't say anything?

You are missing the bigger point.
The emails show DEEP CORRUPTION, Quid Pro Quo, Collusion, etc. Talk about the content.

I could honestly care less about the deletion, because that is what got this whole thing started. Had she not broken the law, we wouldn't have gotten this far.

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11/7/2016  9:38 AM
“As president, I will make it clear that the United States will treat cyberattacks just like any other attack,” the Democratic presidential nominee said. “We will be ready with serious political, economic and military responses.”

How else would the US respond to cyber attacks? This is not just stealing information, but potentially crippling infrastructure and causing loss of lives (i.e. a attack that affected a nuclear power plant). She didn't say it would automatically trigger a military response...just it wasn't off the table...as it shouldn't be.

If you don't agree...what should the policy be?

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11/7/2016  10:21 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:My basic position is that a Hillary presidency will mean war with Russia (amongst other nations). A few here have questioned that, but let's look at something very very basic:

Hillary supports a no fly zone in Syria. That is her basic position. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/25/hillary-clinton-syria-no-fly-zones-russia-us-war
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Hillary was for attacking Libya, against Obama's wishes. This is while she was SOS. Imagine when she is president?
+
A top US General (Joint Chiefs of Staff) has said:

“Right now… for us to control all of the airspace in Syria would require us to go to war against Syria and Russia,” See 20 second clip below.

We have no right to control the Airspace in Syria with Russia there as a "guest" of Syria. We can't do that, the military definitely doesn't want that, but Hillary does.

Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Party presidential nominee and former US secretary of state, has said that if she becomes president cyberattacks against US interests will be treated "like any other attack" – and that includes military action.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/clinton-us-should-use-military-response-fight-cyberattacks-russia-china-1579187
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Hillary later said Russia is behind the Wikileaks emails.
=
Do you see the clear picture? Please see the writing on the wall.

So, in my mind a vote for Hillary, is a vote for war.

I'd like to see some feedback here. This is what matters most, to all of us.

President of US has some input in deciding to start war or not.
But it is Congress who is to make the Decision and the generals who are to implement it.
War with Russia is suicidal and both side know this.
Putin does not need real War, he needs personal concessions for himself and the image of mighty enemy for internal consumption of his propaganda machine to keep Russian public destructed while being rubbed, abused, and stripped from any hope of better life in the future.
The end-of-the-world War is always a possibility but this elections are not affecting this even slightest.

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11/7/2016  10:28 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:
Nalod wrote:Earthman, Comey has been inappropriate for "the letter" but if its duplicate stuff, then at least he is fair to say there is nothing new.

Wikileaks is very unreliable. How can it be checked for accuracy?
Trump will go down not because of the media, or some made up conspiracy, but because he is Donald J. Trump.
Sometimes you lose.
I know this defies logic for you, but this was Hillary's election to lose.
One day I hope we get a good independent outsider who has the intellect and business acumen with a record he/she can stand up to the vetting process and evolve washington.

Fact is, American's don't want to do the hard job of immigrants or move to places in the country that has work available. There are also of underemployed americans that need to be educated. Manufacturing jobs are not easy jobs. Its America, land of opportunity. Not land of white entitlement and feel sorry for yourselves cuz the CRT TV plant left, or some 14 year old kid can do your job for 10% of what you got paid to do it.
Thats some sad reality and I know lots of people are hurting. But lots of people are also thinking Trump going to fix it. more likely the local republican who is more about keeping transponders out of the bathroom is more interested in keeping his job than getting economic development, or increasing taxes on the middle class, or redistricting or giving teachers pay raised to promote their reelection but cutting school funding making them over worked with less resources!

The war on Christmas or abortion does not spur on economic development or keep heroin off the streets. Real issues. W, Obama and the next president does not set your local agendas.......You do.

Unemployement has been dropping for years now, this is about wage growth and that is stagnant.

And America, stop buying pickup trucks for goodness sake. Those commercials with macho voice guys showing how hard them thar works picking up rocks, tools, and not stuck in mud!!! Buying a hard working truck does not mean you work hard!!! Buying an SUV does not mean your going to get out there and hike either. Fat ass America can do all this with your current vehicle!!!!

Get off your arse America!!!!!! Vote, then go to work. Manufactering jobs are hard, and I doubt your up to the task anyway!

Wikileaks, in 10 years produced 10 million documents with 100% accuracy. How does that compare to NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Fox, MSNBC, Washington Post, New York Times etc.?
Now, we can use verification on some of the Wikileaks emails. I'm not sure how but it has been mentioned recently.
Can you think of any provenly false Wikileaks emails? No, because they won't address it. Can you think of false stories from the MSM? Of course, time and time again.

There is active censorship going on (e.g. Super Pac funded CTC "Correct the Record") on Reddit and other social media platforms and already reports of early voter fraud (In Florida of course.)
Hillary might not win this...

Orangeblobman,

Wikileaks spokesman says they are 100% accurate.
4 out of 5 dentists recommend Trident gum. Whats up with the 5th? Why is he against trident gum?
Objective reporting means dealing with facts. In the absence of verification some will see that as "Proof Positive".
Why don't they fight them? If you ask me, I don't think many that deal in the realm of reality take it seriously given the source.

I know it must be frustrating for you to see so many things and can't imagine why so many with education backgrounds "don't get it".
Since you don't know why, then your not doing research, your satisfying your own agenda. That's OK, just recognize it.
Its not that many of us are really in love with Hillary, its just that Trump is not our guy.

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11/7/2016  10:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2016  10:39 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Holfresh and Bonn - Sure, I can accept there were some duplicates but we are talking 650,000 email. How many were duplicates? What is reasonable? It took the FBI how 18 or so months to go through 30,000 or so.) They didn't even have time to go through but few thousand. Perhaps they come out with an actual amount that is believable, but I see no indication was given. "Most" can mean 51%, that still leaves 1/3 of a million emails to go through.

I'm not saying Comey is helping her, I'm not sure who likes Comey at this point or any point in time since he first cleared Hillary. Something is just fishy in all this.

Again, you're assuming guilt (on the part of the FBI) until innocence is proven. How many were duplicates? All they said were most, and frankly, the FBI usually doesn't give specific information to the public. What does most mean? It could be 50% + 1. Or it could be 649,999 out of 650,000. Or somewhere in between.

Bonn - Hillary deleted emails AFTER the State Department asked for them. And then she asked the FBI to release the emails when she went under "inquiry". What is wrong with this picture? It doesn't add up.

Hillary did not delete e-mails! Her attorneys and legal team deleted e-mails that *they* deemed to be personal and not relevant to the subpoena. They risked their legal licenses just to protect Hillary? And then Republican James Comey missed this?

How can we prove anything if they don't say anything?

You are missing the bigger point.
The emails show DEEP CORRUPTION, Quid Pro Quo, Collusion, etc. Talk about the content.

I could honestly care less about the deletion, because that is what got this whole thing started. Had she not broken the law, we wouldn't have gotten this far.


We each break the law thousands of times a day. I'm not sure what law you're saying she's broken but it doesn't matter - the point is the FBI cleared her of anything criminal. (Breaking the law is not the same as committing a crime.) Now you can say the investigation was rigged but you can only do that if you assume guilt on the FBI's part until innocence is proven - you haven't proven guilt on their part.
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11/7/2016  10:31 AM
Nalod wrote:Earthman, Comey has been inappropriate for "the letter" but if its duplicate stuff, then at least he is fair to say there is nothing new.

Wikileaks is very unreliable. How can it be checked for accuracy?
Trump will go down not because of the media, or some made up conspiracy, but because he is Donald J. Trump.
Sometimes you lose.
I know this defies logic for you, but this was Hillary's election to lose.
One day I hope we get a good independent outsider who has the intellect and business acumen with a record he/she can stand up to the vetting process and evolve washington.

Fact is, American's don't want to do the hard job of immigrants or move to places in the country that has work available. There are also of underemployed americans that need to be educated. Manufacturing jobs are not easy jobs. Its America, land of opportunity. Not land of white entitlement and feel sorry for yourselves cuz the CRT TV plant left, or some 14 year old kid can do your job for 10% of what you got paid to do it.
Thats some sad reality and I know lots of people are hurting. But lots of people are also thinking Trump going to fix it. more likely the local republican who is more about keeping transponders out of the bathroom is more interested in keeping his job than getting economic development, or increasing taxes on the middle class, or redistricting or giving teachers pay raised to promote their reelection but cutting school funding making them over worked with less resources!

The war on Christmas or abortion does not spur on economic development or keep heroin off the streets. Real issues. W, Obama and the next president does not set your local agendas.......You do.

Unemployement has been dropping for years now, this is about wage growth and that is stagnant.

And America, stop buying pickup trucks for goodness sake. Those commercials with macho voice guys showing how hard them thar works picking up rocks, tools, and not stuck in mud!!! Buying a hard working truck does not mean you work hard!!! Buying an SUV does not mean your going to get out there and hike either. Fat ass America can do all this with your current vehicle!!!!

Get off your arse America!!!!!! Vote, then go to work. Manufactering jobs are hard, and I doubt your up to the task anyway!

How anyone can expect that any American citizen in his right mind will do any job for the wages smaller that entitlements he/she will get by not working at all, not talking about hard labor?
Why any business and any farmer will pay wages and taxes which will nullify the profit they can get from their work?
Illegals do the work which is more expensive to automate that use their services.
By coming and doing this they are saving millions of American jobs, reducing the price for good and services, helping to provide government paid job to a bunch of people who cannot produce anything, and entitlements to anyone in need.
Not only we should not build a wall or kick them out but rather build a Monument to commemorate their efforts to support our cool leaving standards.

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11/7/2016  10:32 AM
An immigrant mother advises her son on voting...

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11/7/2016  10:57 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:Comey is a liar. They reviewed how many emails in 8 days?


and this is exactly why no one can take you seriously. Ever.

General Flynn is an advisor to Trump, hardly a good source for this type of opinion or examination of fact.

This is also 2016 not 1971 and we have computers and laptops that are really fast. So fast most undergrad students could take a 5 day period and write from scratch a very simple program to compare one set of emails with another (that have undoubtedly been put into some sort of very nice database). With a more senior level person, this task should be able to get completed in about a day, and yet it still took a week. The question really remains as to why it took so long, that's the follow up scandal here, along with the initial announcement of this distraction.

You get led along fairy easily and are also damaging to the discourse of too many things to count, a political spammer of sorts, and it's very hurtful to yourself and plenty of others and very certainly to the fabric of our country. I call out Guns and BRIGGS the same way. A group of lemmings of another sort.

It's really easy to read up on these things and not look for a conclusion that suits your viewpoint. Take the information, look at opinion, look at who is writing the opinion, look at what others are saying about the opinion (but not NY Post or Fox or the other garbage sites you post) and come to a conclusion. Use Google, it's really easy.

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11/7/2016  11:07 AM
David Tepper is a hedge fund manager with 19 billion dollars under management. He was on CNBC this morning talking about Trump...

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True story. Chinese guy here in the Us illegally. His family and the individual ended up losing a lot of money at Foxwoods casino. This guy for some reason drinks something like radiator fluid to hurt himself because he's upset. He starts getting sick his family bring him to Yale New Haven Hospital. Long story short he goes into coma and spends the next two years on my wife's floor. His family never visits him once in over two years. He racks up a bill of over 10 mm that time. That's TEN million dollars that eventually the government has to pay for. Think about it the current rules takes care of this guy who is essentially dead for 2 years but if we get sick like that and we pass max insurance levels that can send 99.9% of population into bankruptcy. This man. We paid for him. Now multiply that times how many illegal immigrants and that is one of the bigger reasons medical insurance is rediculous and why illegal immigrants hurt the country. They know the system the loopholes and use it.
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11/7/2016  11:10 AM
Meat package plants have to recruit from overseas to get people to work in their plants. Its nasty work.
These are not "Illegals".
Its awful work but for some people its better than any day from where they came from.
For many americans, they are in decline but they don't want to do this work.
I have had a Mexican (legal) women for 15 years. She is single and also works for my friends. Her English is not great.
Her son was valedictorian of his high school, got a 4 year degree in UNC-Chapel hill and now working on his masters. Her daughter is enrolled at NC State and will study engineering.
This women made it a priority that her kids get a good education. Im sure there are many Trump women who have also done this but the sterotype Trump supporters don't seem to have education as a priority.
Students that do get money. We reward them with scholarships. They earned them.
My "Rosa" will produce children who will have high paying jobs, pay taxes and perhaps set the bar high for their children if they decide to have a family of their own.

Jose, a man that has done painting for a contractor friend. Married with children. He painted, she cleaned houses. He went on his own and now has his own crews painting. Jose owns a few rental homes, has his own home, is saving for his kids educating, and pays lots of taxes.

America is a place where people came from other places for many reasons. Many escaped religious persecution. How many times do we hear of Vietnamese kids whose parents can barely speak our language produce children who are top studants? Family first. Also culturally they see the success of one as success of the family. Parents cook and clean while the kids do their homework and help each other with it. Priorities. Some parents watch reality TV and dream of a better life. They get angry they are not succeeding while others are passing them by.

The factories are not coming back. The jobs that started in the industrialized north, moved south when the unions got busted, then moved overseas are not coming back. Trump can't do that.
He can put tariffs on foreign made goods but that is a bad strategy for many reasons.

Many Trump falsehoods:

Ford: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-27/ford-fact-checks-donald-trump-on-mexico-move-accusations-during-debate

Carrier: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-carrier-corp-union-indiana-213862

Nabisco: http://www.aflcio.org/Blog/Political-Action-Legislation/How-Donald-Trump-s-Agenda-Hurts-Real-People-The-Case-of-the-Nabisco-Workers-Who-Used-to-Make-Oreos

Trump runs his business in the same manner of greed that he decries is not good for America. His cloths made overseas, steel from China and failed businesses that he took tax advantages of but employees that were out of work.
Yes, he did it legally but he is asking to lead the country in a way he has not lead before.
Thus, he is not the man. Trump leaves things worse then when he got there.

Hillary might be more of the same, but that's not nearly as bad Trump.

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11/7/2016  11:14 AM
martin wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Comey is a liar. They reviewed how many emails in 8 days?


and this is exactly why no one can take you seriously. Ever.

General Flynn is an advisor to Trump, hardly a good source for this type of opinion or examination of fact.

This is also 2016 not 1971 and we have computers and laptops that are really fast. So fast most undergrad students could take a 5 day period and write from scratch a very simple program to compare one set of emails with another (that have undoubtedly been put into some sort of very nice database). With a more senior level person, this task should be able to get completed in about a day, and yet it still took a week. The question really remains as to why it took so long, that's the follow up scandal here, along with the initial announcement of this distraction.

You get led along fairy easily and are also damaging to the discourse of too many things to count, a political spammer of sorts, and it's very hurtful to yourself and plenty of others and very certainly to the fabric of our country. I call out Guns and BRIGGS the same way. A group of lemmings of another sort.

It's really easy to read up on these things and not look for a conclusion that suits your viewpoint. Take the information, look at opinion, look at who is writing the opinion, look at what others are saying about the opinion (but not NY Post or Fox or the other garbage sites you post) and come to a conclusion. Use Google, it's really easy.

Martin don't call me a lemming unless you do it to my face. I've never said personal sht to you in 15 years here. It's only your opinion and if it's personal keep it to you self and I don't give a fck if you own the site or not . Don't say sht about me personally you don't know me thank you

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11/7/2016  11:16 AM
Andrew wrote:
“As president, I will make it clear that the United States will treat cyberattacks just like any other attack,” the Democratic presidential nominee said. “We will be ready with serious political, economic and military responses.”

How else would the US respond to cyber attacks? This is not just stealing information, but potentially crippling infrastructure and causing loss of lives (i.e. a attack that affected a nuclear power plant). She didn't say it would automatically trigger a military response...just it wasn't off the table...as it shouldn't be.

If you don't agree...what should the policy be?

How do you possibly prove a cyber attack? It is an extremely dangerous situation. An attacker can make the attack appear as coming from anywhere.
But to answer your question, if the electric grid were attacked, I would expect a severe retaliation, military would almost be expected.

My point is that Hillary is pro war (in general). Her record shows it.

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11/7/2016  11:18 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Comey is a liar. They reviewed how many emails in 8 days?


and this is exactly why no one can take you seriously. Ever.

General Flynn is an advisor to Trump, hardly a good source for this type of opinion or examination of fact.

This is also 2016 not 1971 and we have computers and laptops that are really fast. So fast most undergrad students could take a 5 day period and write from scratch a very simple program to compare one set of emails with another (that have undoubtedly been put into some sort of very nice database). With a more senior level person, this task should be able to get completed in about a day, and yet it still took a week. The question really remains as to why it took so long, that's the follow up scandal here, along with the initial announcement of this distraction.

You get led along fairy easily and are also damaging to the discourse of too many things to count, a political spammer of sorts, and it's very hurtful to yourself and plenty of others and very certainly to the fabric of our country. I call out Guns and BRIGGS the same way. A group of lemmings of another sort.

It's really easy to read up on these things and not look for a conclusion that suits your viewpoint. Take the information, look at opinion, look at who is writing the opinion, look at what others are saying about the opinion (but not NY Post or Fox or the other garbage sites you post) and come to a conclusion. Use Google, it's really easy.

Martin don't call me a lemming unless you do it to my face. I've never said personal sht to you in 15 years here. It's only your opinion and if it's personal keep it to you self and I don't give a fck if you own the site or not . Don't say sht about me personally you don't know me thank you

dont post **** to this site and then run and hide after you have been politely and then more emphatically called out. If you'd like a common sense back and forth on opinion and fact, take a step forward and do it, cause you have not even come close.

Otherwise stop being a bully and a spammer of the incorrect,

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11/7/2016  11:24 AM
arkrud wrote:
President of US has some input in deciding to start war or not.
But it is Congress who is to make the Decision and the generals who are to implement it.
War with Russia is suicidal and both side know this.
Putin does not need real War, he needs personal concessions for himself and the image of mighty enemy for internal consumption of his propaganda machine to keep Russian public destructed while being rubbed, abused, and stripped from any hope of better life in the future.
The end-of-the-world War is always a possibility but this elections are not affecting this even slightest.

I don't disagree with you here.

But - I don't believe Clinton (Bill) had approval from Congress regarding the Kosovo bombings. (bombing to me means war.)
And in 2014 Obama didn't have congressional approval to bomb Syria. (But no ground troups - still war to me.)

I don't think Hillary is so sane regarding war, she just has a bad record here (along with some other people) and I don't trust her, more so after the leaked emails.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
Where the heck is Hillary Clinton?

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