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Posted by Bonn1997:

If they don't make any major moves, then they really need two out of Wang, Hughes, and Kennedy to be able to pitch at the major league level (i.e., about a 4.50 or less ERA) and to move Joba into the bullpen. Then if the starters could get through six, I'd feel confident with Bruney, Joba, and Rivera being the 7th, 8th, and 9th inning men (as long as Joba can return to his pre-2009 form, which I believe he can).

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-26-2009 09:40 AM]

Its kinda weak how the Yankees have become everything that their haters have accused them of. An unbalanced, overpaid group of mercenaries. The Yankees simply throw millions at every problem hoping for quick fixes.

posada, joba, cano, melky/gardner, jeter, pettitte, mariano, our entire bullpen is basically all homegrown. in fact, there are more homegrown players on this roster than any of the 96-00 yankee teams. what's happened is that we got lucky with the players in that era. winning a championship in baseball ain't easy dawg. the 96-00 yankees spoiled everybody but i remember the 82-94 yanks that didn't make the postseason. it ain't easy...people need to lower expectations b/c baseball is funny that way.

You're preaching to the choir about homegrown talent, but to be fair 50% of the names you just listed came up in the mid-90s. Out of the rest of them, Melky is barely an everyday player. So really there is only Cano and Joba to show for the Yankee farm system in the past 10 years.

And no matter how much we can rationalize it, when we are spending 100-80 million more than many of our closet competitors we should win. Bottom line. When the Yankees had their run we were spending competitively with teams like Baltimore and Boston. Now its just obscene. I bleed pinstripes, but damn if the Yanks dont need to reevaluate their model.

the Yankees won multiple championships using that model... '77 & '78 don't happen if they don't go out & sign the biggest FA names on the market, namely Reggie Jackson & Catfish Hunter... '99 & '00 may not have happened if they don't go out & trade for Roger Clemens... the Yankees are making money hand over foot w/their current business model & are the winningest team in the majors this decade... the only thing they've failed at is winning championships since '00, but they've managed to get to 2 more World Series since then & came within 2 outs of winning 1 of them & a single win from getting to another in '04... this offseason was universally hailed as a great one for the Yankees' franchise by fans & media alike... u can't start playing hindsight GM now & criticizing the Yankees' braintrust for making the moves they made... it's up to the players to go out & do it now, bottomline.

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Posted by Bonn1997:

hmmmm. The only thing that's changed since the 96-00 era is that Cashman took over as the GM.

Cashman became the GM after the '97 season

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Posted by Bonn1997:

If they don't make any major moves, then they really need two out of Wang, Hughes, and Kennedy to be able to pitch at the major league level (i.e., about a 4.50 or less ERA) and to move Joba into the bullpen. Then if the starters could get through six, I'd feel confident with Bruney, Joba, and Rivera being the 7th, 8th, and 9th inning men (as long as Joba can return to his pre-2009 form, which I believe he can).

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-26-2009 09:40 AM]

Its kinda weak how the Yankees have become everything that their haters have accused them of. An unbalanced, overpaid group of mercenaries. The Yankees simply throw millions at every problem hoping for quick fixes.

posada, joba, cano, melky/gardner, jeter, pettitte, mariano, our entire bullpen is basically all homegrown. in fact, there are more homegrown players on this roster than any of the 96-00 yankee teams. what's happened is that we got lucky with the players in that era. winning a championship in baseball ain't easy dawg. the 96-00 yankees spoiled everybody but i remember the 82-94 yanks that didn't make the postseason. it ain't easy...people need to lower expectations b/c baseball is funny that way.

You're preaching to the choir about homegrown talent, but to be fair 50% of the names you just listed came up in the mid-90s. Out of the rest of them, Melky is barely an everyday player. So really there is only Cano and Joba to show for the Yankee farm system in the past 10 years.

And no matter how much we can rationalize it, when we are spending 100-80 million more than many of our closet competitors we should win. Bottom line. When the Yankees had their run we were spending competitively with teams like Baltimore and Boston. Now its just obscene. I bleed pinstripes, but damn if the Yanks dont need to reevaluate their model.

the Yankees won multiple championships using that model... '77 & '78 don't happen if they don't go out & sign the biggest FA names on the market, namely Reggie Jackson & Catfish Hunter... '99 & '00 may not have happened if they don't go out & trade for Roger Clemens... the Yankees are making money hand over foot w/their current business model & are the winningest team in the majors this decade... the only thing they've failed at is winning championships since '00, but they've managed to get to 2 more World Series since then & came within 2 outs of winning 1 of them & a single win from getting to another in '04... this offseason was universally hailed as a great one for the Yankees' franchise by fans & media alike... u can't start playing hindsight GM now & criticizing the Yankees' braintrust for making the moves they made... it's up to the players to go out & do it now, bottomline.

In the 90's we added a free agent or two, usually carefully done with our roster and locker room in mind, to compliment the team. Since like 01 we've tried to put together an all star team, cherry picking the biggest names.

Boston is closer to our 90s model than we are. We're just bloated

I agree with everything you just said. It sums up the Yankees for most of this decade.

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Posted by Bonn1997:

If they don't make any major moves, then they really need two out of Wang, Hughes, and Kennedy to be able to pitch at the major league level (i.e., about a 4.50 or less ERA) and to move Joba into the bullpen. Then if the starters could get through six, I'd feel confident with Bruney, Joba, and Rivera being the 7th, 8th, and 9th inning men (as long as Joba can return to his pre-2009 form, which I believe he can).

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-26-2009 09:40 AM]

Its kinda weak how the Yankees have become everything that their haters have accused them of. An unbalanced, overpaid group of mercenaries. The Yankees simply throw millions at every problem hoping for quick fixes.

posada, joba, cano, melky/gardner, jeter, pettitte, mariano, our entire bullpen is basically all homegrown. in fact, there are more homegrown players on this roster than any of the 96-00 yankee teams. what's happened is that we got lucky with the players in that era. winning a championship in baseball ain't easy dawg. the 96-00 yankees spoiled everybody but i remember the 82-94 yanks that didn't make the postseason. it ain't easy...people need to lower expectations b/c baseball is funny that way.

You're preaching to the choir about homegrown talent, but to be fair 50% of the names you just listed came up in the mid-90s. Out of the rest of them, Melky is barely an everyday player. So really there is only Cano and Joba to show for the Yankee farm system in the past 10 years.

And no matter how much we can rationalize it, when we are spending 100-80 million more than many of our closet competitors we should win. Bottom line. When the Yankees had their run we were spending competitively with teams like Baltimore and Boston. Now its just obscene. I bleed pinstripes, but damn if the Yanks dont need to reevaluate their model.

the Yankees won multiple championships using that model... '77 & '78 don't happen if they don't go out & sign the biggest FA names on the market, namely Reggie Jackson & Catfish Hunter... '99 & '00 may not have happened if they don't go out & trade for Roger Clemens... the Yankees are making money hand over foot w/their current business model & are the winningest team in the majors this decade... the only thing they've failed at is winning championships since '00, but they've managed to get to 2 more World Series since then & came within 2 outs of winning 1 of them & a single win from getting to another in '04... this offseason was universally hailed as a great one for the Yankees' franchise by fans & media alike... u can't start playing hindsight GM now & criticizing the Yankees' braintrust for making the moves they made... it's up to the players to go out & do it now, bottomline.

In the 90's we added a free agent or two, usually carefully done with our roster and locker room in mind, to compliment the team. Since like 01 we've tried to put together an all star team, cherry picking the biggest names.

Boston is closer to our 90s model than we are. We're just bloated

I agree with everything you just said. It sums up the Yankees for most of this decade.

i didn't hear many complaints when Cashman was putting this team together over the offseason.

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Posted by Bonn1997:

If they don't make any major moves, then they really need two out of Wang, Hughes, and Kennedy to be able to pitch at the major league level (i.e., about a 4.50 or less ERA) and to move Joba into the bullpen. Then if the starters could get through six, I'd feel confident with Bruney, Joba, and Rivera being the 7th, 8th, and 9th inning men (as long as Joba can return to his pre-2009 form, which I believe he can).

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-26-2009 09:40 AM]

Its kinda weak how the Yankees have become everything that their haters have accused them of. An unbalanced, overpaid group of mercenaries. The Yankees simply throw millions at every problem hoping for quick fixes.

posada, joba, cano, melky/gardner, jeter, pettitte, mariano, our entire bullpen is basically all homegrown. in fact, there are more homegrown players on this roster than any of the 96-00 yankee teams. what's happened is that we got lucky with the players in that era. winning a championship in baseball ain't easy dawg. the 96-00 yankees spoiled everybody but i remember the 82-94 yanks that didn't make the postseason. it ain't easy...people need to lower expectations b/c baseball is funny that way.

You're preaching to the choir about homegrown talent, but to be fair 50% of the names you just listed came up in the mid-90s. Out of the rest of them, Melky is barely an everyday player. So really there is only Cano and Joba to show for the Yankee farm system in the past 10 years.

And no matter how much we can rationalize it, when we are spending 100-80 million more than many of our closet competitors we should win. Bottom line. When the Yankees had their run we were spending competitively with teams like Baltimore and Boston. Now its just obscene. I bleed pinstripes, but damn if the Yanks dont need to reevaluate their model.

the Yankees won multiple championships using that model... '77 & '78 don't happen if they don't go out & sign the biggest FA names on the market, namely Reggie Jackson & Catfish Hunter... '99 & '00 may not have happened if they don't go out & trade for Roger Clemens... the Yankees are making money hand over foot w/their current business model & are the winningest team in the majors this decade... the only thing they've failed at is winning championships since '00, but they've managed to get to 2 more World Series since then & came within 2 outs of winning 1 of them & a single win from getting to another in '04... this offseason was universally hailed as a great one for the Yankees' franchise by fans & media alike... u can't start playing hindsight GM now & criticizing the Yankees' braintrust for making the moves they made... it's up to the players to go out & do it now, bottomline.

In the 90's we added a free agent or two, usually carefully done with our roster and locker room in mind, to compliment the team. Since like 01 we've tried to put together an all star team, cherry picking the biggest names.

Boston is closer to our 90s model than we are. We're just bloated

I agree with everything you just said. It sums up the Yankees for most of this decade.

i didn't hear many complaints when Cashman was putting this team together over the offseason.

I was short-sighted. Throwing large amounts of money to 1 or 2 players is not the answer. The Yankees need to hark back to their 90's days and build an actual team and not 5 or 6 superstars with a bunch of mediocre-crap players. I have now seen the wrongdoings of the franchise. Buying superstars is not going to win you a World Series. Building a team, with a strong pen and starting pitching and a balanced lineup, is the key to winning a World Series. I don't think the Yankees have that here and I don't know how they will accomplish creating that team this season. I hope I'm wrong and this team comes together but I just see lots of flashes of last year's disappointing season.

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I was short-sighted. Throwing large amounts of money to 1 or 2 players is not the answer. The Yankees need to hark back to their 90's days and build an actual team and not 5 or 6 superstars with a bunch of mediocre-crap players. I have now seen the wrongdoings of the franchise. Buying superstars is not going to win you a World Series. Building a team, with a strong pen and starting pitching and a balanced lineup, is the key to winning a World Series. I don't think the Yankees have that here and I don't know how they will accomplish creating that team this season. I hope I'm wrong and this team comes together but I just see lots of flashes of last year's disappointing season.

Posted by djsunyc:

lol - it's APRIL.

it's clear that the redsox now have the mental advantage in the rivalry...but that doesn't mean we can't win the world series.