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NYKBocker wrote:

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yellowboy90 wrote:Great game by Denver. Lillard didn't look to play that well in my DVR speed watching mode. Denver play speeds teams up but when they are patient they score really easy on Denver. Teams should not try to always fastbreak with Denver but slow it down.

I wonder how Denver will play against a zone. It might be hard for teams to stop Denver from throwing lobs to Faried and McGee against a zone though.

I think the biggest problem teams will have with denver is the absolute blazing speed of lawson.. dude is running down your back before you know it..... almost impossible to stop... puts so much pressure on the defense.. I mean even on makes, he is pushing the ball back before defense can set up.. it is nuts with this guy.. LOL

Yup. Denver and Houston play the same exact way. Except, Denver has more shot blockers and generate their fastbreaks on blocked shots, rebounds off missed and made baskets. Houston fastbreaks off steals, rebounds off missed and made baskets

yea, both teams run off turnovers, one thing denver has is a bit more experience...

Yup. Denver has a better backup PG in Andre Miller and deeper at SG as well. Let's do a comparison...

PG - Lin v Lawson - even
SG - Harden v Iggy - Harden
SF - Parsons v Gallo - Gallo
PF - Montijunas v Farried - Farried
C - Asik v Koufos - even

Bench - (Robinson, Smith, Delfino, Beverley, Anderson, Garcia, Jones) v (Miller, Wilson, McGee, Moz, Randolph, Brewer) - Nuggets

Coach - McHale v Karl - Karl

Looking at this I would say Denver is a little better, but I like the Rockets a little better because of what Harden brings.

I am a huge lin fan, believe me, I am.. Not sure if he and lawson are even.. have to give the edge to lawson at this point.. although, I do think can one day be as good if not surpass lawson..I do think lin can run an offense better, is a better passer, but lawson is the better finisher/ shooter..

Asik is also better than koufos.... the key with denver is when they get production out of Mcgee, that guy can be a doofus.. LOL, but can also be a game changer... I really don't have problems with your other comparisons..

Fair enough on Lin and Lawson. Lawson definitely a better shooter. Not sure about the finisher though. Lin can finish with the best of them.

Asik I think is better but I take off points for not knowing how to catch a damn ball.

McGee is just a youtube clip waiting to happen.

NYKBocker wrote:

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yellowboy90 wrote:Great game by Denver. Lillard didn't look to play that well in my DVR speed watching mode. Denver play speeds teams up but when they are patient they score really easy on Denver. Teams should not try to always fastbreak with Denver but slow it down.

I wonder how Denver will play against a zone. It might be hard for teams to stop Denver from throwing lobs to Faried and McGee against a zone though.

I think the biggest problem teams will have with denver is the absolute blazing speed of lawson.. dude is running down your back before you know it..... almost impossible to stop... puts so much pressure on the defense.. I mean even on makes, he is pushing the ball back before defense can set up.. it is nuts with this guy.. LOL

Yup. Denver and Houston play the same exact way. Except, Denver has more shot blockers and generate their fastbreaks on blocked shots, rebounds off missed and made baskets. Houston fastbreaks off steals, rebounds off missed and made baskets

yea, both teams run off turnovers, one thing denver has is a bit more experience...

Yup. Denver has a better backup PG in Andre Miller and deeper at SG as well. Let's do a comparison...

PG - Lin v Lawson - even
SG - Harden v Iggy - Harden
SF - Parsons v Gallo - Gallo
PF - Montijunas v Farried - Farried
C - Asik v Koufos - even

Bench - (Robinson, Smith, Delfino, Beverley, Anderson, Garcia, Jones) v (Miller, Wilson, McGee, Moz, Randolph, Brewer) - Nuggets

Coach - McHale v Karl - Karl

Looking at this I would say Denver is a little better, but I like the Rockets a little better because of what Harden brings.

I am a huge lin fan, believe me, I am.. Not sure if he and lawson are even.. have to give the edge to lawson at this point.. although, I do think can one day be as good if not surpass lawson..I do think lin can run an offense better, is a better passer, but lawson is the better finisher/ shooter..

Asik is also better than koufos.... the key with denver is when they get production out of Mcgee, that guy can be a doofus.. LOL, but can also be a game changer... I really don't have problems with your other comparisons..

Fair enough on Lin and Lawson. Lawson definitely a better shooter. Not sure about the finisher though. Lin can finish with the best of them.

Asik I think is better but I take off points for not knowing how to catch a damn ball.

McGee is just a youtube clip waiting to happen.

yea, what I mean by finishing is that lawson seems to get to the hoop a half step faster and his drives often result in layups with no contact, he can finish quick at the rim, where as lin takes a lot of contact... both guys are very good tho....

asik needs to learn how to catch a ball, that I agree with... he cost lin and harden at least an assist apiece each game.. LOL

yellowboy90 wrote:Go Clips go. Is this a denver/houston thread only?

yellowboy90 wrote:Noah is balling right now.

23 points, 21 rebounds, 11 blocks. Not to mention 3 steals and only one foul. Ridiculous night.

Side note: The Bill Russel video jumping over a guy for a lay up is awesome.

Nothing will be made of these games, except folks with an agenda.

NYKBocker wrote:Other games thread.......Place to chat about games on TV not Knicks.

Which I am. Just giving an example of what's been fun to me. And this isn't the "other games thread" it's the freaking Houston Rockets, Denver Nuggets and every other ex-Knicks player thread. Save the crap for the fans who can't read between the lines.

But yes, in regards to Houston and Denver? Not fun basketball for a fan such as myself.

They can not keep teams off the scoreboard. Denver's 26th and Houston's 29th out of 30 in points allowed. And both teams struggle protecting the basketball on a nightly basis. Denver's 25th and Houston's dead last at 30th in turnovers committed per game.

That may be "fun" basketball to you, but it's not to me.

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knickscity wrote:Denver and Houston are fun teams to watch, no one views them as contenders, but they more than hold their own.

What's fun basketball to you, may not be fun basketball for others. I myself personally have had fun watching our Knicks here in 2012-2013. #2 scorer behind only Durant in Melo. Top 5 rebounder in Tyson Chandler. Shumpert and Stoudemire returning. J.R Smith becoming a strong 6th man. Etc, etc. I've had fun watching our Knicks fight for our Atlantic division for the first time dating back to 1993-1994 (19 years). I've had fun watching our Knicks contend as the current two seed, something in which we haven't done dating back to 1993-1994 (19 years); which is head into the postseason as a 1-2 seed.

The Rockets and Nuggets on the other hand? Fun to watch? I'll agree to disagree. Mike D'Antoni basketball with those two teams, which means at the end of the night? They can not keep teams off the scoreboard. Only the Kings allow more points per game when compared to the Rockets and only the Mavs, Bobcats, Rockets and Kings allow more points per game when compared to the Nuggets. Nice offense is good to have, but watching my teams give up over 101.8 points on a nightly basis isn't fun basketball. Not for me it's not.

Also, while our Knicks lead the league with only 11.7 turnovers per game, the likes of Houston ranks dead last in turnovers. The Nuggets rank 25th...

Both the Nuggets and Rockets are horrible at keeping POINTS OFF THE BOARD and both offenses turn the ball over like crazy. That, to me, is not fun basketball to watch.

this is your agenda. ultimatemelo.com carmelo is not fun to watch... except for you.... try watching other teams, you may enjoy what fun basketball is... the knicks would be fun to watch if they actually functioned as "one" instead of 1 dude and 4 other guys..

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NYKBocker wrote:Other games thread.......Place to chat about games on TV not Knicks.

Which I am. Just giving an example of what's been fun to me. And this isn't the "other games thread" it's the freaking Houston Rockets, Denver Nuggets and every other ex-Knicks player thread. Save the crap for the fans who can't read between the lines.

But yes, in regards to Houston and Denver? Not fun basketball for a fan such as myself.

They can not keep teams off the scoreboard. Denver's 26th and Houston's 29th out of 30 in points allowed. And both teams struggle protecting the basketball on a nightly basis. Denver's 25th and Houston's dead last at 30th in turnovers committed per game.

That may be "fun" basketball to you, but it's not to me.

Zero consideration of pace.

Denver is 15th in the league in turnovers per 100 possessions. Houston is understandably going to be turnover prone with their top 2 backcourt players being fairly new to their roles. Oh and young.

And if you value defense so much, what is so enjoyable about watching Melo?