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5/17/2025  9:15 AM
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DLeethal wrote:What’s crazy is this team has the ability to be insanely good next year with just some marginal moves. Were kind of like the Celtics before the KP and Jrue trades. We don’t need trades of that magnitude but some bench improvements and maybe a final starting lineup piece and making Josh super sub and this might actually be a powerhouse 60 win team next year.

We need a bona fide 6 man scorer. Would love DDV

Most important area for growth IMO is trusting other guys to take critical shots. I keep thinking of Robert Horry and Mario Elle. We have guys who have the cajones to take and make those shots now. We just need to do it more.

DDV had a great run last season but its quite possible that was an outlier in his career and teams just weren't ready for him.

He's been brutal in the playoffs, 8ppg on 33/25 shooting. Deuce really stepped up this series, he's looking good.

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5/17/2025  9:16 AM
crazy looking back at game 1 in BOS, down 20, kind of felt like a continuation of the reg season against the best teams, felt so down and out like we'd be lucky to win 1 game.

from that to winning in 6 has been incredible.

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5/17/2025  9:17 AM
im not too worried about the bench, Deuce had a down year but he's looking like himself again. Deuce & Mitch alone are two bench guys that any contender would absolutely LOVE to have off the bench. After that you gotta figure one of our youngins will turn into a decent piece and we can sign a solid vet.
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5/17/2025  9:22 AM
In 2013 Knicks beat Boston that led to the dismantling of that team and in 2025 looks like we have done it again. I heard Celtics worked out Cooper Flagg at the combine. Who knows what Brad Steven’s has up his sleeve but that team as we know it is done.
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5/17/2025  9:25 AM
DLeethal wrote:In 2013 Knicks beat Boston that led to the dismantling of that team and in 2025 looks like we have done it again. I heard Celtics worked out Cooper Flagg at the combine. Who knows what Brad Steven’s has up his sleeve but that team as we know it is done.

I was gonna start a thread on just that.

NY has ended this Boston team. Literally.

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5/17/2025  9:25 AM
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Chandler wrote:
DLeethal wrote:What’s crazy is this team has the ability to be insanely good next year with just some marginal moves. Were kind of like the Celtics before the KP and Jrue trades. We don’t need trades of that magnitude but some bench improvements and maybe a final starting lineup piece and making Josh super sub and this might actually be a powerhouse 60 win team next year.

We need a bona fide 6 man scorer. Would love DDV

Most important area for growth IMO is trusting other guys to take critical shots. I keep thinking of Robert Horry and Mario Elle. We have guys who have the cajones to take and make those shots now. We just need to do it more.

DDV had a great run last season but its quite possible that was an outlier in his career and teams just weren't ready for him.

He's been brutal in the playoffs, 8ppg on 33/25 shooting. Deuce really stepped up this series, he's looking good.

Deuce is not a sixth man. Yes he had a good series but he’s not that scorer alpha type

DDV plays great for us and w the freedom to shoot. Not every player can play in any system. Most of the Celtics would be half as good on other teams.

Add on top of that some players are not meant for NY especially when fans and media are grumpy

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5/17/2025  9:29 AM
DLeethal wrote:In 2013 Knicks beat Boston that led to the dismantling of that team and in 2025 looks like we have done it again. I heard Celtics worked out Cooper Flagg at the combine. Who knows what Brad Steven’s has up his sleeve but that team as we know it is done.

Supposedly bill belicjeck used to interview top QB prospects when he had all world Brady’s qb. The thinking was it was an intelligence gathering process to see how the qb would process and dissect certain situations so he could then later use that intel against him. If true seemed smart

Maybe that’s what they’re doing w cooper because they have zero chance of getting him

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5/17/2025  9:32 AM
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nycericanguy wrote:
Chandler wrote:
DLeethal wrote:What’s crazy is this team has the ability to be insanely good next year with just some marginal moves. Were kind of like the Celtics before the KP and Jrue trades. We don’t need trades of that magnitude but some bench improvements and maybe a final starting lineup piece and making Josh super sub and this might actually be a powerhouse 60 win team next year.

We need a bona fide 6 man scorer. Would love DDV

Most important area for growth IMO is trusting other guys to take critical shots. I keep thinking of Robert Horry and Mario Elle. We have guys who have the cajones to take and make those shots now. We just need to do it more.

DDV had a great run last season but its quite possible that was an outlier in his career and teams just weren't ready for him.

He's been brutal in the playoffs, 8ppg on 33/25 shooting. Deuce really stepped up this series, he's looking good.

Deuce is not a sixth man. Yes he had a good series but he’s not that scorer alpha type

DDV plays great for us and w the freedom to shoot. Not every player can play in any system. Most of the Celtics would be half as good on other teams.

Add on top of that some players are not meant for NY especially when fans and media are grumpy

i mean DDV has played in how many systems now? He's simply not good enough to let run wild unless you have half your team injured and have no other choice like we did.

he had a great run here when we had the injuries, Nate Rob had a great run under D'antoni in CHI, so did Lin... it happens where you catch lightening in a bottle sometimes.

would i like DDV back? yes, I think we need someone like him, an absolutely sniper. That could be a Grayson Allen too though or a Malik Beasely.

but i also think maybe we are romanticizing how good he was here.

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5/17/2025  9:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/17/2025  9:34 AM
The Leon-Thibs player acquisition and develop tree gonna have players starting on 3 teams in conference finals

And Obi.

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5/17/2025  9:47 AM
GOOD MORNING KNICKS FANS!!!

Amazing game, amazing night and an even more amazing team! ECF for the first time in 25 years! NOBODY gave us a chance to dethrone Boston and we DID IT! I'm so freaking happy and proud of this team cause this was a total team effort! BELT TO ASS! Celtics left in a body bag!! You knew the basketball gods would be angry at Jalen Brown for what he did in game five so seeing him foul out in the third quarter was justice! This perv compared losing this to death and I LOVE IT! Enjoy the darkness!! But solute to the rest of the Celtics. Especially KP for what he said after the game.

Not even sure who gets the game ball for this game cause the entire team balled out! But I'm gonna give it to KAT! He was under a microscope going into this game after how poorly he played in game five and he stepped up and played BIG! Bullied his way and I thought set the tone with his effort and grit! So happy for him!

Josh freaking Hart man! Another triple double! He is the heart and soul of this team and that And1 after the Deuce block (!!!) was crazy! Deuce was great too! He was instrumental for when we pulled away in the second quarter and outscored them 38-17! That 3 to end the first half kind of made Mazulla quit too. OG with 23 and 9 and Mikal with 22 did their part too. Bridges blocks on Brown was such a boost! Knew WingStop would bounce back!!

That defensive play by Mitch where he ended up on Brown in the corner might be one of the best defensive efforts I've ever seen! OG called Mitch a one of one and he's 100% spot on cause there is nobody else in the league who can do that!

Last but not least a shoutout to our leaders JB and Thibs. Knew they would have this team ready to play and out for blood after game five. JB did a masterful job running the offense (four guys with over 20!!) and Thibs adjustment on Kornet was pure genius!

Being in MSG and witnessing this butt whipping is something I will never forget! But job isn't done like Kobe (RIP!) famously once said! WE ARE HALFWAY THERE!!!!

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5/17/2025  9:50 AM
martin wrote:Yeah that was worth losing game 5 in spectacular fashion

Especially (for me) with the fact next round starts Wed - 4 days almost perfect to get required rest but not too long not playing.

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5/17/2025  10:00 AM
Awesome

Inside the players-only meeting that changed the Knicks’ direction: ‘We’re not done’
Fred Katz

NEW YORK — With the sting of a Game 5 beatdown still fresh, the New York Knicks needed to gather.

The day after Wednesday’s 25-point defeat, a could-have-been elimination game that extended the Boston Celtics’ season a superfluous 48 hours, Knicks players (and only the players) met at the team’s practice facility in Tarrytown, N.Y. That’s where the locker room leaders presented a message: Performances like the one in Game 5, when the Celtics outplayed, outhustled and outthought the Knicks, were unacceptable.

The dud didn’t come out of nowhere. Various people inside the Knicks mentioned that even before Game 5, the mentality heading into the evening wasn’t focused enough. New York had rocked the Celtics in the second half of Game 4, its most impressive two quarters of the season to that point. Just before the final buzzer, Boston’s best player, Jayson Tatum, ruptured his Achilles.

From the win on Monday to tipoff Wednesday, the Knicks lacked the necessary intensity. And it showed that night, when the Celtics sliced their series deficit to 3-2. So on Thursday, the Knicks talked it out.

They discussed the communication issues that plagued them, why guys weren’t picking up the right Celtics in transition, and why the defensive execution, which had been clean for much of their second-round series, turned into a mess for one night at TD Garden.

The gist of the discourse?

Get it together and compete.

One day later, the Knicks competed in a way they hadn’t this season, this decade, or maybe even this century.

On Friday, they dismantled the defending champions, 119-81, clinching their first Eastern Conference finals berth since 2000. The troubles from Game 5, the ones with communication and effort, either stayed in Boston or evaporated during Thursday’s meeting.

Every Knicks rotation player contributed in Game 6. Their energy engulfed the Celtics.

During the season’s most important moment, the Knicks reached their greatest form.

“The whole day of Game 5, it just wasn’t us,” team captain Jalen Brunson said. “And we knew that. We reflected on it, and we came back and we said, ‘We need to be ready. We need to be better.’ The way we prepared, the way we talked out there, the way we made it an emphasis to have each other’s back and to continue to cover for each other … focus on the little things, and we did that.”

It was overwhelming.

This is the gear the Knicks believed they could ratchet into when the front office put together this team, a squad that has progressed during each of the past four seasons: From not making the playoffs in 2022 to losing in the second round in ‘23 to a harder-fought, second-round defeat that persisted even after half the roster got hurt in ’24 to the conference finals, where the Knicks will take on the Indiana Pacers.

If New York’s Game 6 performance was indicative of what’s to come, the team may not be done playing for a while.

“We just went out there with a different type of energy,” point guard Miles “Deuce” McBride said.

Brunson was Brunson.

Josh Hart, never the problem when it comes to effort, set the tone early, chasing after rebounds and rushing the basketball upcourt to get the Knicks into their offense with pace. When the Knicks reach a crossroads, as they’ve done various times this season, Hart goes into facilitator mode. With 10 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists, he finished with the first postseason triple-double for a Knicks player since Walt “Clyde” Frazier’s in 1972.

Mikal Bridges knocked down shots from the beginning and fought hard on the perimeter. OG Anunoby bolted back on defense at every opportunity. He clogged up driving lanes from all angles. Karl-Anthony Towns battled down low, posted up more and prioritized getting 3-pointers in transition, a clever way for him to toss up deep shots, which had been lacking against Boston.

The Knicks’ bench, even if it was mostly two guys, outplayed the Celtics’.

A game after transition defense led to their demise, McBride leapt for the block of New York’s season on a fast break, soaring with his head nearly above the rim to pin a Derrick White layup against the backboard, which led to a Hart and-1 on the other side.

Mitchell Robinson played 14 minutes, scored only one point, didn’t take a shot and somehow owned the Celtics. His best play of the night, as great a possession as he’s ever had, also came in transition.

Robinson backed to the paint, taking away a layup on a Celtics fast break. When the ball swung to Boston guard Jrue Holiday at the top of the key, Robinson rushed at him, eliminating the 3-pointer. He didn’t leave his feet. When Holiday drove, Robinson stuck to him. When Towns helped off Jaylen Brown in the left corner and Holiday swung the ball to the seemingly wide-open All-Star, Robinson then flocked to Brown. Once again, he didn’t jump. His arms were long enough, his feet quick enough, to deter the 3-pointer anyway. All Robinson did next was extend his infinite limbs out, cutting off any chance for Brown to move and deflecting a pass to himself for a miraculous steal.

Tom Thibodeau deserves credit, too. The veteran coach revamped the Knicks’ defensive identity during the Boston series, engineering a defense that switched far more than it had all season. The change in style confused the Celtics in Games 1 and 2, which included a couple of 20-point Knicks comebacks. Boston rarely looked comfortable in this series, in part because of how physical the Knicks have become.

Few people outside the Knicks’ locker room expected this outcome. They lost all eight of their regular-season games against the East’s No. 1 and 2 seeds. A month ago, they looked like a cute, 51-win club with a predetermined future.

Their playoff destiny seemed obvious. They would handle the Detroit Pistons in Round 1 and then lose to Boston.

But this is why they play the games.

The Knicks are evolving. They are not the same team today as the one that couldn’t beat the Celtics during the first 82. They defend. They don’t care if they’re down big, as they showed through this series. They trailed by at least 14 points during each of the first three victories against Boston.

On Friday, they controlled the game from tipoff.

There was no vast celebration after the final buzzer. A dap here, a hug there, but not much more.

“There’s more to go,” Bridges said. “We’re not done.”

The reaction, or lack thereof, was a sign of another change from earlier this week.

After the Knicks locked up Monday’s eight-point victory, which handed them a 3-1 lead in the series, Brunson set up for his postgame television interview. About to field questions, he turned behind him to teammates whom he deemed too giddy for the moment and told them to get off the court.

“It’s nothing to celebrate,” Brunson said.

The Knicks still required one more win to down Boston and nine more to accomplish an ambitious goal that, for the first time in decades, seems realistic for this franchise.

After the Celtics blew out the Knicks in Game 3, reducing New York’s series lead to 2-1, Brunson mentioned in a news conference that the team may have been “subconsciously satisfied” with winning the first couple of games of the series. A similar malaise overcame them leading into Game 5.

But on Friday, this was not a satisfied team. There was no cloud above them. No one rested on laurels or depended purely on talent.

The Knicks led by 27 at halftime. The advantage later ballooned to 41. You know it’s a true spanking when a losing team empties its bench during the third quarter of an elimination game, as the Celtics did in Game 6.

This was dominance, the type of performance that could make even a detractor believe the Knicks have a chance to win eight more times this season.

“You have that fundamentalist belief that you’ll never lose … (If) you wanna go deep into the playoffs, you gotta have that,” Towns said. “And we showed it this series. I think that was really special for us.”

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5/17/2025  10:05 AM
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DLeethal wrote:In 2013 Knicks beat Boston that led to the dismantling of that team and in 2025 looks like we have done it again. I heard Celtics worked out Cooper Flagg at the combine. Who knows what Brad Steven’s has up his sleeve but that team as we know it is done.

Supposedly bill belicjeck used to interview top QB prospects when he had all world Brady’s qb. The thinking was it was an intelligence gathering process to see how the qb would process and dissect certain situations so he could then later use that intel against him. If true seemed smart

Maybe that’s what they’re doing w cooper because they have zero chance of getting him

I think the point is they might be willing to trade Brown and White or something like that for him. I am not putting it past the Mavs to keep going all in on a short term championship window tbh … something they already sacrificed Luka for

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5/17/2025  10:07 AM
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Alpha1971 wrote:
DLeethal wrote:What’s crazy is this team has the ability to be insanely good next year with just some marginal moves. Were kind of like the Celtics before the KP and Jrue trades. We don’t need trades of that magnitude but some bench improvements and maybe a final starting lineup piece and making Josh super sub and this might actually be a powerhouse 60 win team next year.

Be interesting what they do. Even bank on development of Dadiet, Kolek, and Hukporti.

I’d bet that McCullar will get more playing time than all 3 above

Tend to agree with McCullar but his shot is sketch. Daddiet has way more upside but he really needs to get quicker/stronger.

Huk is definitely great to have around/develop if we keep Kat/Mitch and have him ready to step in for injury/emergency.

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5/17/2025  10:09 AM
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Alpha1971 wrote:
DLeethal wrote:What’s crazy is this team has the ability to be insanely good next year with just some marginal moves. Were kind of like the Celtics before the KP and Jrue trades. We don’t need trades of that magnitude but some bench improvements and maybe a final starting lineup piece and making Josh super sub and this might actually be a powerhouse 60 win team next year.

Be interesting what they do. Even bank on development of Dadiet, Kolek, and Hukporti.

I’d bet that McCullar will get more playing time than all 3 above

Let's see. Hope he lives up to your confidence in him. Hope he stays healthy. What do you think he can offer ?

Defense - Thibs type aggressive / tough player. I think his athleticism/shot may be in question.

Realistically tough to see young players getting much of a chance if we add 1 or 2 solid vets.

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5/17/2025  10:11 AM
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martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
DLeethal wrote:What’s crazy is this team has the ability to be insanely good next year with just some marginal moves. Were kind of like the Celtics before the KP and Jrue trades. We don’t need trades of that magnitude but some bench improvements and maybe a final starting lineup piece and making Josh super sub and this might actually be a powerhouse 60 win team next year.

Be interesting what they do. Even bank on development of Dadiet, Kolek, and Hukporti.

I’d bet that McCullar will get more playing time than all 3 above

Let's see. Hope he lives up to your confidence in him. Hope he stays healthy. What do you think he can offer ?

Different version of Josh Hart. True Blue Thibs type player that the coach can’t get enough of.

More confidence in his own offense than Josh. Not as strong or explosive but REALLY smart. Much better team defender than Josh.

Don’t entirely know about his offense but he’ll get Thibs extended look minutes.

Team defender is good point Martin - also probably better on ball and on perimeter vs Josh.

Would love to see him grab a rotation spot if one is available.

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5/17/2025  10:15 AM
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Chandler wrote:
DLeethal wrote:What’s crazy is this team has the ability to be insanely good next year with just some marginal moves. Were kind of like the Celtics before the KP and Jrue trades. We don’t need trades of that magnitude but some bench improvements and maybe a final starting lineup piece and making Josh super sub and this might actually be a powerhouse 60 win team next year.

We need a bona fide 6 man scorer. Would love DDV

Most important area for growth IMO is trusting other guys to take critical shots. I keep thinking of Robert Horry and Mario Elle. We have guys who have the cajones to take and make those shots now. We just need to do it more.

DDV had a great run last season but its quite possible that was an outlier in his career and teams just weren't ready for him.

He's been brutal in the playoffs, 8ppg on 33/25 shooting. Deuce really stepped up this series, he's looking good.

Donte has had a # of dud years and bad playoffs outside of great run with us last year.

Proud of Deuce -- his first shot off bench last night was a very tough shot and felt his D with Mitch was far superior than starting 5.

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5/17/2025  10:17 AM
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martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
DLeethal wrote:What’s crazy is this team has the ability to be insanely good next year with just some marginal moves. Were kind of like the Celtics before the KP and Jrue trades. We don’t need trades of that magnitude but some bench improvements and maybe a final starting lineup piece and making Josh super sub and this might actually be a powerhouse 60 win team next year.

Be interesting what they do. Even bank on development of Dadiet, Kolek, and Hukporti.

I’d bet that McCullar will get more playing time than all 3 above

Tend to agree with McCullar but his shot is sketch. Daddiet has way more upside but he really needs to get quicker/stronger.

Huk is definitely great to have around/develop if we keep Kat/Mitch and have him ready to step in for injury/emergency.

Kevin knows his mission: stay healthy, work on that jump shot. Best life ever.

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5/17/2025  10:17 AM
nycericanguy wrote:im not too worried about the bench, Deuce had a down year but he's looking like himself again. Deuce & Mitch alone are two bench guys that any contender would absolutely LOVE to have off the bench. After that you gotta figure one of our youngins will turn into a decent piece and we can sign a solid vet.

I loved Payne all year - but in playoffs he's basically just come out and fouled at every chance. Shot selection/making has been a dud but his D has just been to go out and make fouls (very undisciplined).

I would give D-Wright a thought for 8-10 minutes. He's big to guard say Hali, he won't make bonehead plays and can make occasional 3.

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5/17/2025  10:29 AM
LivingLegend wrote:
martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
DLeethal wrote:What’s crazy is this team has the ability to be insanely good next year with just some marginal moves. Were kind of like the Celtics before the KP and Jrue trades. We don’t need trades of that magnitude but some bench improvements and maybe a final starting lineup piece and making Josh super sub and this might actually be a powerhouse 60 win team next year.

Be interesting what they do. Even bank on development of Dadiet, Kolek, and Hukporti.

I’d bet that McCullar will get more playing time than all 3 above

Let's see. Hope he lives up to your confidence in him. Hope he stays healthy. What do you think he can offer ?

Different version of Josh Hart. True Blue Thibs type player that the coach can’t get enough of.

More confidence in his own offense than Josh. Not as strong or explosive but REALLY smart. Much better team defender than Josh.

Don’t entirely know about his offense but he’ll get Thibs extended look minutes.

Team defender is good point Martin - also probably better on ball and on perimeter vs Josh.

Would love to see him grab a rotation spot if one is available.

Keven is couple inches taller but also few pounds lighter than Josh coming out of college. Quicker feet but doesn’t have the innate strength level or explosiveness or dynamic power. Just different than Josh but - I’d guess - in the same role for his upside. Not a Fuck Shit Up player but certainly his own version of disruptor.

Better passing upside.

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