Nalod wrote:Lose two starters to a healthy team that is playing well in their building.. Sucks we could not close it out but a lesser coach might not have had his team in that position to win.
“Stars” don’t grow on trees except by typing them on the internet.

Great that Deuce and Grimes are getting these minutes. Second year players!

As long as we continue to bench Cam for no real reason that’s all that matters

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Thibs is not perfect but he's done a decent job and unless a better candidate becomes available, I'd let him finish his contract after next season and reevaluate then.

Thibs has to at least make the play in this year. Which he probably will

Why?

We are paying 3 guys like top tier nba players. And we still don’t have a playoff team?

I don’t like this triangle and definitely don’t like thibs with these 3 players. I just don’t have a replacement or a better situation than to ride the ship.

Very fragile roster, coaching staff and FO. It’a like anything can turn us into a tail spin.

You make a lot of nonsensical posts and it’s hard to keep up with how many mistakes you put out there.

Like every part of what you typed is just so out of whack with reality.

Name the 3 guys who we are paying top tier

You continue to over complicate everything, which creates unnecessary side bars. So let me simplify one issue we clash. That’s the definition of top tier pay. Yes the guys around the league making their pay (RJ, JB, Ju) are not all stars sure. So you would say that’s not top that’s middle. Sure I would agree, because that’s not my main point.

what I should’ve said was their long term value of these contracts. But would I rather have all 3 combined or just pay 2 nba allstars the same total salary. Are we wasting JB prime forcing these 3 together? Same thing as last year. We clearly not making any noise in the playoffs with this roster. So I’m hoping we make a trade.

Forcing a big 3 vs just go for 2 AllStars might be a better approach in the future.

Thibs still looks a little rigid in his in game lack of adjustments. Rotations should’ve changed, too many mins (deuce 46?). Luca should’ve had more early possession blitzes.

I’m not the one making nonsensical statements, that’s on you. You should just start with what you actually mean to say instead of the other stuff.

Knicks didn’t even play 2 of their “top tier” players and should have won, and yet that’s the main focus of whatever point you are trying to make.

They missed 9 FTs. Played a second round pick who still can’t shoot and combined him with a back up PG and both ended up shooting a combined 9-36.

Brunson, RJ, Randle have played less than 40 games together. The long term value of their contracts is actually really good and also has nothing to do with your point but good try on the dodge on that.

You’d rather have 2 all stars on team? Who wouldn’t?

Gold star post.

The only nonsensical statement is your infatuation with the word top tier. You are the king of side bars and after I said that’s not the main point. You doubled down and replied with “top tier” in quotes. You can’t make this stuff up. I’ll let you run with that sir since you’re hell bent over the word top tier, when I clearly said that’s not the point.

I’m in a Fire Thibs thread not the game thread. Again, you are way off base and trying to derail again. If you want to talk about the game, talk about thibs and what he should’ve down or what he could’ve done better. Again this is a fire thibs thread. Not who’s top tier thread.

U never seem to amaze me.

But you’re barking up the wrong tree. You spend so much energy barking at side comments, I have NO CLUE what your stance is on anything. Slow down, back up, and have a conversation. Everything doesn’t have to be perfect.

I type like I talk. And when I talk I over exaggerate a lot of points to make a point. Your problem is you get lost in the over exaggerating lead in comments. Sometimes with me, if you Pay attention to the thread titles, you will get my point. Stay away from the exaggeration zone, your getting lost that way. I usually try to stick to the thread title usually.

There has been plenty of subjects and discussions that I would love to hear your feedback. But your always lost in the weeds (exaggerated comments) because of all the different personalities in here, I get it. But slow down brother. It’s hard to see the forest when you are stuck in the weeds.

I’m here to talk Knicks. That’s it. I’m not into all this side talk about whatever you want or whatever is your agenda in that moment. Give me a break man. It’s an open forum. If you have any issue, talk to me. Don’t have to derail my personal post because of your fixation on one or two words which was probably an over exaggeration to set up the main point.

For example, What’s your thoughts on thibs? Do you agree with his 9 going on 7 man rotation? Soon he’s going to just play the starting 5 all game and deuce the only sub.

I’m seeing the same issues I’ve seen with thibs since he arrived. And the only answers I keep hearing is thibs needs better players. We need an all star. But last night was the perfect opportunity to see what our backup or bench can do. And Thibs decides to play deuce 46 mins? The game before he played deuce less than 10 mins (side bar opportunity on deuce mins played 🤣 I know it’s coming).

Now I hear cam has checked out. And I’m kinda surprised EF hasn’t checked out yet. I heard a fan say this about seeing cam live verses the other players during shoot around. My point is when you remove a player, this has to be done very carefully or the player should be in aggreement. If that’s the case then so be it. If not, just more strange unanswered issues surrounding thibs.

So when you remove a player, what happens when you have injuries and u need them to play like last game. They are completely checked out. Besides the cam is waiting to be traded conspiracy. What’s your take on a coach removing a player completely from the roster vs keeping them on the roster and reduce their mins. What’s your take on that and Thibs in general, as far as rotations, lack of adjustments like against the Dallas game and overall his rigidity and lack of offensive execution. Toronto player called on thibs defense. Then recently Jamal Crawford questions thibs defense on Luca.

That’s what I would like to hear from you, not a stat or English correction response. I have no clue on your stance with anything. And I’ve been on this site for over 20yrs

TPercy wrote:How are we pinning these games on Thibs? Who told these guys to shoot 60% from the line?

fishmike wrote:

TPercy wrote:How are we pinning these games on Thibs? Who told these guys to shoot 60% from the line?

they find a way...

Thibs is an OK coach with a middling roster. At some point I'd like the talent level to reach a point where'd I can say the coaching is what's holding the team down from contending. The roster ain't there and the FO isn't down with the tank. All that's left is to strap in and enjoy rollercoaster. We're treading water too much for the Wembathon and our Big three is fumbling the ball too much to get us past play-in territory. The only thing to hope for is that the FO doesn't do anything stupid like trade for Tobias or Kuzma.

blkexec wrote:Yet again, you make my point on these replies. 🤦‍♂️ No mention of anything on the topic. So basically it’s a waste of time. Thank you for the discussion sir. No worries. Continue to police the site sir. One day maybe we can talk Knicks on a Knicks forum.

Mostly it's cause you don't pay enough attention and make little sense when you are trying to make a point.

No clue what your talking about or how this has anything to do with Thibs.

Merry Christmas 🎁

Not falling for it Martin. (Side bar warning) Sorry. Not interested unless your comment involves the Knicks.

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TPercy wrote:How are we pinning these games on Thibs? Who told these guys to shoot 60% from the line?

they find a way...

Thibs is an OK coach with a middling roster. At some point I'd like the talent level to reach a point where'd I can say the coaching is what's holding the team down from contending. The roster ain't there and the FO isn't down with the tank. All that's left is to strap in and enjoy rollercoaster. We're treading water too much for the Wembathon and our Big three is fumbling the ball too much to get us past play-in territory. The only thing to hope for is that the FO doesn't do anything stupid like trade for Tobias or Kuzma.

Thibs is better than OK. You may not like him but this is well beyond the "OK" tier (among other measures like + wins after he's hired etc)
Season Lg Award
2010-11 NBA Coach of the Year
2010-11 NBA Eastern Conference Coach of the Month (January)
2010-11 NBA Eastern Conference Coach of the Month (March)
2010-11 NBA Eastern Conference Coach of the Month (April)
2011-12 NBA Eastern Conference Coach of the Month (January)
2011-12 NBA Eastern Conference Coach of the Month (March)
2012-13 NBA Eastern Conference Coach of the Month (January)
2020-21 NBA Coach of the Year
2020-21 NBA Eastern Conference Coach of the Month (May)

fishmike wrote:Thibs is better than OK. You may not like him but this is well beyond the "OK" tier (among other measures like + wins after he's hired etc)
Season Lg Award
2010-11 NBA Coach of the Year
2010-11 NBA Eastern Conference Coach of the Month (January)
2010-11 NBA Eastern Conference Coach of the Month (March)
2010-11 NBA Eastern Conference Coach of the Month (April)
2011-12 NBA Eastern Conference Coach of the Month (January)
2011-12 NBA Eastern Conference Coach of the Month (March)
2012-13 NBA Eastern Conference Coach of the Month (January)
2020-21 NBA Coach of the Year
2020-21 NBA Eastern Conference Coach of the Month (May)

That was the, this is now. Now he is ok. Pop was the best. Now he's OK. It's not out of the ordinary for guys in their 60s to lose their fastball.

TPercy wrote:How are we pinning these games on Thibs? Who told these guys to shoot 60% from the line?

Tom Thibs 8-man rotation, and low minutes to bench players ALWAYS have the starter lineup players exhausted, tired, and ready to fall out in the 4th quarter. When 80% FT players are shooting 60% from the FT line look at how many minutes they played and the type of team he's playing.

Randle & Barrett has already showed every Knicks opponent they shoot 50% from the FT line and are prone to commit 1 to 3 turnovers in the 4th quarter from playing 27 to 30 minutes before the 4th quarter.

I guess that's one of the reason our weak opponent's luv to have close scoring games in the 4th quarter.

GustavBahler wrote:Thibs has a rep for giving too much PT to his best players. RJ and Randle were in the top three in minutes last season. For most of it anyway.

Now they're 27th and 37th respectively. This rep predates NY, so its a good sign of a coach evolving. Im still in the lets see how this season plays out camp.

I Dont want to see Thibs gone regardless of how the Knicks finish. And dont want to see him kept on, regardless of how the Knicks finish. They're a young team, but with enough vets for the FO to make an informed decision on wether or not Thibs is the best choice going forward.

I respectfully disagree. I posted this in another thread, but it is relevant to this conversation....

As of 12/26/22
Barrett is getting 35 minutes per game. Tied for 30th in the league with a 32 year old Lillard.
Julius is getting 34.2 minutes. Good for 40th in the league.
Brunson is getting 32.5 minutes. Good for 66th in the league.

Minutes. Are. Not. The. Issue.

As a comparison, before this load management crap, in the 2002/03 season,
Barrett's minutes would have put him at 49. Julius minutes would have put him at 55. Brunson would be at 73.

http://www.espn.com/nba/seasonleaders/_/league/nba/sort/avgMinutes

Look for yourself. This Thibs minutes thing is so overblown. He is not playing anyone on this team a crazy amount of minutes. Derrick Rose tore his knee in 2012. His minutes before that (2008-2011) 37, 36.8, 37.4, and 35.3. Good for 25, 25, 14, 24 (the year he was injured). Seems the one up tick was in 2010. Top 25 minutes for a 22 year old MVP caliber player doesn't seem to crazy to me.

Jimmy Butler seems to be the only guy that Thibs relied on to play top 10 minutes. The seasons he averaged over 30 minutes a game (starting in his 3rd season 2013) he was ranked #1(T), #1, #4. And BTW, Fred Hoiberg played Jimmy Butler 37 minutes per game his first year (ranked 6)

Joakim Noah topped out at a rank of 14 in 2012 (when Rose got hurt). other than that, no major minutes of note.

In Minny Towns played 37 minutes per (ranked 5) in TT's first year as coach then steadily declined.

This minutes crap with Thibs started and ended with Jimmy Butler, and for some reason is a label he can't shake. I think the worst of it is that he requires a hard 37 minutes per game (he hasnt played any of his top players over what looks like 39 minutes per game).

Even Total minutes played they RJ and Julius weren't that high...

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/minutes-played?rate=season-totals&season_id=219

Julius was 41 and RJ was 63 last year in total minutes played.
Julius was 12 and RJ was 28 last year in average minutes last year.

Thibs requires hard minutes and believes in playing his best players more minutes. but Jimmy Butler was the only player where you could say Thibs was borderline abusive with minutes (then Hoiberg after him played Jimmy a crazy amount of minutes).

joec32033 wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:Coach has to make adjustments. Last seconds in regulation when Dallas put their bigs to grab a rebound why wasn't Simms out in ? Why didn't the team use a time out to advance the ball or to call plays. And the human body is not a machine and the players needed rest so they can be fresh at the end of the game. Fire Thibs

So......they were fresh enough to hold a 9 point lead with 30 seconds, while pretty much holding a lead the entire game.....then they all got tired at the exact same time and blew it and it carried into overtime?