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10/25/2019  10:28 PM
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Knicksfan wrote:Fiz has been playing with fire all night long with RJ at PG

Not because he can't be a decent organizer on D, but he is slower than Kyrie at PG.

GOT BURNED IN THAT 3PTR

Thats on FIZ


His D on the 3 was fine...it was just a good shot. He closed on it well and got a hand in his face. Irving was 1/7 from 3 before that shot, too.

Dude, a real quick PG would've reacted faster to the 3 and probably created more disturbance on Kyrie.

RJ didn't have to be there at PG! YOU HAVE THREE FREAKING PGS AND ONE OF THEM IS GOOD AT DEFENSE!!!

Fiz is a real problem. If this team is again not trying to win, then WTF is he doing not using Frank out there, especially on a position where you can use his strength!?!?

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10/25/2019  10:28 PM
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StarksEwing1 wrote:As much as i hate to agree with knicks 1248. I have to say Fizdale cost us this game. He holds one or two guys in the doghouse yet lets everyone else do whatever.
Who is in the dog house that would have won the game?
You misunderstood Crush. I never said the people in the doghouse would of won us the game. My point is there was no accountability toward Morris or Randle who continued to play ISO ball and turned the ball over
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10/25/2019  10:28 PM
That was frustrating as hell , too many brain farts and TOs. Refs were horrible, D was bad.
The good : Trier , RJ, Knox, Ellington
The Bad : Randle, Morris ,DSjr
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10/25/2019  10:28 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
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StarksEwing1 wrote:As much as i hate to agree with knicks 1248. I have to say Fizdale cost us this game. He holds one or two guys in the doghouse yet lets everyone else do whatever.
Who is in the dog house that would have won the game?

Trier needed to beon the court...maybe not for Ellington as he was hot..but for Morris? Randle? Hell yess.


Agree with that. Don’t want to hear about a cold ineffective Frank in that spot.
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10/25/2019  10:29 PM
everyone is slamming Fizdale, but does anyone want to give him credit for giving our guys the confidence to stay in the game and get back in it?

Now - I am a little perturbed that we're digging these ugly holes to start games.
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10/25/2019  10:30 PM
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The Knicks don't know how to win. They get ahead and then forget how to play the game. Randel tries to do to much. But we lost because of the free throws. RJ Barret can't hit the side of a barn yard when it comes to free throws. He needs to get a whole lot better because if all he can do is drive to the basket we have a problem. They need better team work.

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10/25/2019  10:30 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:Fiz get Randle out of the game damn

Fizdale's not listening .. Trier Gibson and Ellington 4th qtr. performance almost had the win. No coaches design play when we had the ball and a 3 pt lead, and no coaches design play to score 2 pts to tie the game for overtime !!!
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10/25/2019  10:31 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:As much as i hate to agree with knicks 1248. I have to say Fizdale cost us this game. He holds one or two guys in the doghouse yet lets everyone else do whatever.
Who is in the dog house that would have won the game?

He has to get Trier in there. Payton also should have been on Kyrie the last couple of plays.
Yeah, why Zo got buried on the bench is beyond me. Even if Ellington got hot you have to know that's going to be short lived. After Ellington cooled off and started screwing up, pull him!

And we have to mention RJ's free throw shooting. He gotta get better from the line!
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10/25/2019  10:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/25/2019  10:33 PM
franco12 wrote:everyone is slamming Fizdale, but does anyone want to give him credit for giving our guys the confidence to stay in the game and get back in it?

Now - I am a little perturbed that we're digging these ugly holes to start games.


Double edge sword , the team no doubt will run thru a wall for Fiz...But he needs a top X & Os guys as his top assistant for us to win.Think Dabo at Clemson.
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10/25/2019  10:32 PM
franco12 wrote:everyone is slamming Fizdale, but does anyone want to give him credit for giving our guys the confidence to stay in the game and get back in it?

Now - I am a little perturbed that we're digging these ugly holes to start games.

confidence is good but you also need to be stern and hold accountability. Randle and Morris clearly didnt have it tonight yet they were still out there doing ISO and turning the ball over. The game was over we won but they were allowed to do that
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10/25/2019  10:32 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:1) You don’t attack Kyrie when he has 5 fouls while he’s also a lousy defender. I am shocked nobody is bringing that up.

2) What happened to Elfrid. Why couldn’t he guard Kyrie at the end? And again.... has Frank been this bad in practice that you can’t bring him in for defensive purposes?

3) Randle and Mitch are seriously low IQ players. Morris is sometimes a moron too but he’s at least a little more reliable.

4) Fouling and almost fouling 3 point shooters is inexplicable.

5) The fouls and TOs.

1) Its part of the "WTF was RJ doing playing PG up to that point"! I get RJ does well organizing the offense sometimes, BUT THAT DOESNT MAKE HIM A FREAKING PG, MORESO TO THE POINT OF DEFENDING A QUICKER PG LIKE KYRIE ON THAT POSSESSION!!

2) I have the same question!

3) Which makes the coach more important, unless he also has a low IQ.

4) Yes

5) Y-FREAKING-ES

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10/25/2019  10:32 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:As much as i hate to agree with knicks 1248. I have to say Fizdale cost us this game. He holds one or two guys in the doghouse yet lets everyone else do whatever.
Who is in the dog house that would have won the game?

Trier needed to beon the court...maybe not for Ellington as he was hot..but for Morris? Randle? Hell yess.

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10/25/2019  10:34 PM
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CleaverGreene wrote:Good D by Barrett on the Irving 3...Not sure how much more you can do.
I know. Clyde acting like Irving had a real PG guarding him. If Barrett gets on him too close Irving blows right by him. Also, wasn't Irving like 1-7 on threes until he hit the back breaker?

Yeah...he finished 2/8 for the game, so he was.

Barrett has some length, so he can play back a bit. I was obviously pissed off when Irving hit the 3, but I didn't get pissed off with Barrett, who actually showed some decent lateral movement at times.

He is still very young physically, but you can see the potential for him to be a pretty good defender as he matures.

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GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:As much as i hate to agree with knicks 1248. I have to say Fizdale cost us this game. He holds one or two guys in the doghouse yet lets everyone else do whatever.
Who is in the dog house that would have won the game?

Trier needed to beon the court...maybe not for Ellington as he was hot..but for Morris? Randle? Hell yess.


Agree with that. Don’t want to hear about a cold ineffective Frank in that spot.

He didn't have to be cold if he was being used instead of Mystery Man Smith Jr.

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10/25/2019  10:36 PM
BillTheButcher wrote:
franco12 wrote:everyone is slamming Fizdale, but does anyone want to give him credit for giving our guys the confidence to stay in the game and get back in it?

Now - I am a little perturbed that we're digging these ugly holes to start games.


Double edge sword , the team no doubt will run thru a wall for Fiz...But he needs a top X & Os guys as his top assistant for us to win.Think Dabo at Clemson.
I will give Fiz credit for this, he's playing people based on what they do on the court and not based on other factors. We are going to look horrible giving up KP and getting DSJ in return getting only 5-6 mins per night...but it's the right move based on his performance thus far.
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10/25/2019  10:38 PM
Welpee wrote:
BillTheButcher wrote:
franco12 wrote:everyone is slamming Fizdale, but does anyone want to give him credit for giving our guys the confidence to stay in the game and get back in it?

Now - I am a little perturbed that we're digging these ugly holes to start games.


Double edge sword , the team no doubt will run thru a wall for Fiz...But he needs a top X & Os guys as his top assistant for us to win.Think Dabo at Clemson.
I will give Fiz credit for this, he's playing people based on what they do on the court and not based on other factors. We are going to look horrible giving up KP and getting DSJ in return getting only 5-6 mins per night...but it's the right move based on his performance thus far.
Then why were Morris and Randle on the court? They were awful
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10/25/2019  10:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/25/2019  10:41 PM
Knicksfan wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Fiz has been playing with fire all night long with RJ at PG

Not because he can't be a decent organizer on D, but he is slower than Kyrie at PG.

GOT BURNED IN THAT 3PTR

Thats on FIZ


His D on the 3 was fine...it was just a good shot. He closed on it well and got a hand in his face. Irving was 1/7 from 3 before that shot, too.

Dude, a real quick PG would've reacted faster to the 3 and probably created more disturbance on Kyrie.

RJ didn't have to be there at PG! YOU HAVE THREE FREAKING PGS AND ONE OF THEM IS GOOD AT DEFENSE!!!

Fiz is a real problem. If this team is again not trying to win, then WTF is he doing not using Frank out there, especially on a position where you can use his strength!?!?

Frank is the only one who might have made a difference. Irving wouldn't be bothered by Payton or Smith, and Trier probably would have fouled him.

Sometimes you have to give an opponent credit for making a good shot...and given how he was shooting, if I was defending at that point, I would have been looking him to drive. The guy was 1/7 from 3 at that point. I'll continue to say Barrett played it well.

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10/25/2019  10:40 PM
franco12 wrote:everyone is slamming Fizdale, but does anyone want to give him credit for giving our guys the confidence to stay in the game and get back in it?

Now - I am a little perturbed that we're digging these ugly holes to start games.

The Knick players put us back into the game, Gibson Morris and Trier's geafensive hustle plus Ellington 3-3 3-balls put the Knicks back into the game. Fizdale had nothing to do with that !!!
And YES! Fizdale is coaching our rookie RJ all wrong !!!
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10/25/2019  10:41 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Welpee wrote:
BillTheButcher wrote:
franco12 wrote:everyone is slamming Fizdale, but does anyone want to give him credit for giving our guys the confidence to stay in the game and get back in it?

Now - I am a little perturbed that we're digging these ugly holes to start games.


Double edge sword , the team no doubt will run thru a wall for Fiz...But he needs a top X & Os guys as his top assistant for us to win.Think Dabo at Clemson.
I will give Fiz credit for this, he's playing people based on what they do on the court and not based on other factors. We are going to look horrible giving up KP and getting DSJ in return getting only 5-6 mins per night...but it's the right move based on his performance thus far.
Then why were Morris and Randle on the court? They were awful
And who do you play instead of them? Gibson? Portis? Robinson wasn't great either tonight.
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10/25/2019  10:41 PM
CleaverGreene wrote:
Welpee wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:Good D by Barrett on the Irving 3...Not sure how much more you can do.
I know. Clyde acting like Irving had a real PG guarding him. If Barrett gets on him too close Irving blows right by him. Also, wasn't Irving like 1-7 on threes until he hit the back breaker?

Yeah...he finished 2/8 for the game, so he was.

Barrett has some length, so he can play back a bit. I was obviously pissed off when Irving hit the 3, but I didn't get pissed off with Barrett, who actually showed some decent lateral movement at times.

He is still very young physically, but you can see the potential for him to be a pretty good defender as he matures.


Papabear Says

If he can't knock down free throws then he may cause us to loose as many games as we win. If we are ahead by 1 point with 20 seconds to go do you really want RJ to handle the ball and go to the free throw line?? I don't think so at this time in his career. He should practice shooting 500 free throws every day.

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