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9/10/2016  11:59 AM
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WP76 wrote:^^^ To anyone who's worked with classified material, I can tell you it's incredibly serious and hardly the "fluff" you seem to want to believe. As I stated earlier, such action--especially repeatedly--would have resulted in criminal conviction (at worst) or the loss of career for anyone else. It was her job to know about security classifications and to treat such documents in accordance with the law and federal statutes, just as it is the job of anyone who handles such documents.

Man I hate defending Hillary...

Ok..Doesn't "intent" have to be established before you can assess criminality??..The server was initially set up so that she can personally correspond with people outside of the state department, so those correspondence would not be part of government or public record. Obviously the account morphed into more than just that type of account. But highly sensitive information was not sent to that particulate email address. The documents labeled Classified or Confidential, etc which was boldly marked as a header, was sent to her state department email address. Thus the reason why criminality couldn't be established..Because of the 30k emails, only 100 or so had sensitive information in the body of the emails and just 3 was labeled with the small (c) on the side of the document..The share volume of emails alone versus the amount of sensitive emails establishes the account was not set up for that for sensitive governmental correspondence. What it establishes is that she and her people were careless to let sensitive information to be sent to that server. So 0.003% of the emails on that server were deemed sensitive...Criminality can't be established here...

I'm just so tired of the republican establishment latching on the the damn the emails for dear life, and it drowns of the substance of the campaigns...The uninformed aren't hearing the real issues...

I think the republicans are scheduled to have more hearings on emails in a few weeks...Waste of tax payer money...

Actually, in most military and civil service cases, intent is largely irrelevant. I found it interesting that the FBI Director brought "intent" into the discussion. I hadn't considered it but, I suppose, has to be considered with such a high ranking official. Democrats will say it's because of fairness and republicans will say it's pure politics. Pick an argument based on your political leanings.

However, in the military/civil service world of classified information--if you're careless or sloppy or don't perform your due diligence (especially in more than one instance) it's "game over" for your career, if not worse. People who haven't had to deal routinely with classification mechanisms and regulatory safeguards simply cannot know the amount of effort that's involved.

[I truly am walking away from this issue to go back to talking about the Knicks. I've been guilty of engaging in the biggest waste of time on the planet which is debating a political topic on a sports message board. Seriously, when has anyone ever changed their mind or changed anyone else's mind as a result of these particular discussions? I'm thinking the answer is pretty close to "never."]

lol especially true when you are arguing with the nixluvas. Which many of us learned a long long time ago is a complete waste of time

gunsnewing wrote:All you can do is state your opinions and let the pieces fall where they may

Guns, if you have anything to bring to the conversation, please do. State your opinion and also bring some information backed by sources the best you can. If the best you can do is drop the above and whine about someone else's post, it's not adding anything, no need.

Sorry Martin, had to say something to try to get Nix to stop whining and calling everyone but himself idiots.
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9/10/2016  12:05 PM
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reub wrote:We might have secretly given Iran $33 BILLION in cash and gold. Who approved that? And you're worried about Trump's taxes?

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/09/iran_may_have_received_as_much_as_33_billion_in_cash_and_gold.html

33 billion dollars..Right..Becuase that kind of thing for that sum of money usually goes unnoticed..When I want my news I check American thinker blog first...


Yeah, the same story is on another site. There the author refers to the President as "Hussein Obama"! He doesn't put President or Barack in front of it. It's just Hussein Obama! It gives you an idea of the people writing these stories.

yea well thats the problem. There are real idiots on both sides. And then there are idiots who follow idiots and idiots who take what other idiots say as the beliefs of the people of the opposing party.
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9/10/2016  12:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/10/2016  12:19 PM
Oh my, WTF was Hillary thinking with this "deplorables" comment? Ugh. Not good. Half of Trump's supporters? That's like 25 million Americans. You can't say things like that about 25 million Americans if you want to win a presidential election. I hope this is not a Romney 47% moment.
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9/10/2016  12:11 PM
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nixluva wrote:Jesus people. Learn some History.

REDNECKS

The origins of this term Redneck are Scottish and refer to supporters of the National Covenant and The Solemn League and Covenant, or "Covenanters", largely Lowland Presbyterians, many of whom would flee Scotland for Ulster (Northern Ireland) during persecutions by the British Crown. The Covenanters of 1638 and 1641 signed the documents that stated that Scotland desired the Presbyterian form of church government and would not accept the Church of England as its official state church.

Many Covenanters signed in their own blood and wore red pieces of cloth around their necks as distinctive insignia; hence the term "Red neck", (rednecks) which became slang for a Scottish dissenter*. One Scottish immigrant, interviewed by the author, remembered a Presbyterian minister, one Dr. Coulter, in Glasgow in the 1940's wearing a red clerical collar -- is this symbolic of the "rednecks"?

Since many Ulster-Scottish settlers in America (especially the South) were Presbyterian, the term was applied to them, and then, later, their Southern descendants. One of the earliest examples of its use comes from 1830, when an author noted that "red-neck" was a "name bestowed upon the Presbyterians." It makes you wonder if the originators of the ever-present "redneck" joke are aware of the term’s origins - Rednecks?

*Another term for Presbyterians in Ireland was a "Blackmouth". Members of the Church of Ireland (Anglicans) used this as a slur, referring to the fact that one could tell a Presbyterian by the black stains around his mouth from eating blackberries while at secret, illegal Presbyterian Church Services in the countryside.

CRACKER

Another Ulster-Scot term, a "cracker" was a person who talked and boasted, and "craic" (Crack) is a term still used in Scotland and Ireland to describe "talking", chat or conversation in a social sense ("Let’s go down to the pub and have a craic"; "what's the craic"). The term, first used to describe a southerner of Ulster-Scottish background, later became a nickname for any white southerner, especially those who were uneducated.

And while not an exclusively Southern term, but rather referring in general to all Americans, the origins of this word are related to the other three.

http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/rednecks/rednecks.html

Nixluva--its a derogatory word used towards white people--no?


No.
This is just a term for people who work hard under the sun.
It sounds as derogatory word only for people who think that hard physical labor is only for slaves.
Like for example professor cannot be red-neck...

And that's how all these racial slurs started. Like Chink-Ching Dynasty and working on the railroads


I deal with FACTS. Now over time many words take on new meanings and are used differently or viewed differently by a new generation of people, however the origin of terms is what I presented and it's important to know this.
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9/10/2016  12:21 PM
nixluva wrote:Jesus people. Learn some History.

REDNECKS

The origins of this term Redneck are Scottish and refer to supporters of the National Covenant and The Solemn League and Covenant, or "Covenanters", largely Lowland Presbyterians, many of whom would flee Scotland for Ulster (Northern Ireland) during persecutions by the British Crown. The Covenanters of 1638 and 1641 signed the documents that stated that Scotland desired the Presbyterian form of church government and would not accept the Church of England as its official state church.

Many Covenanters signed in their own blood and wore red pieces of cloth around their necks as distinctive insignia; hence the term "Red neck", (rednecks) which became slang for a Scottish dissenter*. One Scottish immigrant, interviewed by the author, remembered a Presbyterian minister, one Dr. Coulter, in Glasgow in the 1940's wearing a red clerical collar -- is this symbolic of the "rednecks"?

Since many Ulster-Scottish settlers in America (especially the South) were Presbyterian, the term was applied to them, and then, later, their Southern descendants. One of the earliest examples of its use comes from 1830, when an author noted that "red-neck" was a "name bestowed upon the Presbyterians." It makes you wonder if the originators of the ever-present "redneck" joke are aware of the term’s origins - Rednecks?

*Another term for Presbyterians in Ireland was a "Blackmouth". Members of the Church of Ireland (Anglicans) used this as a slur, referring to the fact that one could tell a Presbyterian by the black stains around his mouth from eating blackberries while at secret, illegal Presbyterian Church Services in the countryside.

CRACKER

Another Ulster-Scot term, a "cracker" was a person who talked and boasted, and "craic" (Crack) is a term still used in Scotland and Ireland to describe "talking", chat or conversation in a social sense ("Let’s go down to the pub and have a craic"; "what's the craic"). The term, first used to describe a southerner of Ulster-Scottish background, later became a nickname for any white southerner, especially those who were uneducated.

And while not an exclusively Southern term, but rather referring in general to all Americans, the origins of this word are related to the other three.

http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/rednecks/rednecks.html

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9/10/2016  12:29 PM
With regard to Redneck just understand that there is a LARGE group of people who have taken on the term with pride>

This is just a snapshot from the porch of my Grandfather's house in North Carolina. Trucks with flags like these went by all day long.
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9/10/2016  1:05 PM
nixluva wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
arkrud wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:Jesus people. Learn some History.

REDNECKS

The origins of this term Redneck are Scottish and refer to supporters of the National Covenant and The Solemn League and Covenant, or "Covenanters", largely Lowland Presbyterians, many of whom would flee Scotland for Ulster (Northern Ireland) during persecutions by the British Crown. The Covenanters of 1638 and 1641 signed the documents that stated that Scotland desired the Presbyterian form of church government and would not accept the Church of England as its official state church.

Many Covenanters signed in their own blood and wore red pieces of cloth around their necks as distinctive insignia; hence the term "Red neck", (rednecks) which became slang for a Scottish dissenter*. One Scottish immigrant, interviewed by the author, remembered a Presbyterian minister, one Dr. Coulter, in Glasgow in the 1940's wearing a red clerical collar -- is this symbolic of the "rednecks"?

Since many Ulster-Scottish settlers in America (especially the South) were Presbyterian, the term was applied to them, and then, later, their Southern descendants. One of the earliest examples of its use comes from 1830, when an author noted that "red-neck" was a "name bestowed upon the Presbyterians." It makes you wonder if the originators of the ever-present "redneck" joke are aware of the term’s origins - Rednecks?

*Another term for Presbyterians in Ireland was a "Blackmouth". Members of the Church of Ireland (Anglicans) used this as a slur, referring to the fact that one could tell a Presbyterian by the black stains around his mouth from eating blackberries while at secret, illegal Presbyterian Church Services in the countryside.

CRACKER

Another Ulster-Scot term, a "cracker" was a person who talked and boasted, and "craic" (Crack) is a term still used in Scotland and Ireland to describe "talking", chat or conversation in a social sense ("Let’s go down to the pub and have a craic"; "what's the craic"). The term, first used to describe a southerner of Ulster-Scottish background, later became a nickname for any white southerner, especially those who were uneducated.

And while not an exclusively Southern term, but rather referring in general to all Americans, the origins of this word are related to the other three.

http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/rednecks/rednecks.html

Nixluva--its a derogatory word used towards white people--no?


No.
This is just a term for people who work hard under the sun.
It sounds as derogatory word only for people who think that hard physical labor is only for slaves.
Like for example professor cannot be red-neck...

And that's how all these racial slurs started. Like Chink-Ching Dynasty and working on the railroads


I deal with FACTS. Now over time many words take on new meanings and are used differently or viewed differently by a new generation of people, however the origin of terms is what I presented and it's important to know this.

There are many FACTS which contradict each other.
You just pick up FACTS which prove your point and disregard all that disprove.
This called demagogy. Its an old art of speech and politics invented in Ancient Greece.
Bad facts can be found about any group of population but in FACT they do not prove anything.
One always demands objectivity to the group he belongs and always subjective to the groups he did not.
Human nature...

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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9/10/2016  1:24 PM
arkrud wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
arkrud wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Papabear wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I plan to vote for Hillary but I do not think she will win. The South and red necks will vote for him because they think Trump will put minority s in place. But you remember that Trump want his legacy will be for him to try to be the best president ever. He wont get there if he thinks racists will get him to support them but there is no hero in that He is using the right wing republican party.

What is a Red Neck?


Papabear Says

Look it up. If you don't know already I wont tell you.

That is like calling a Hispanic a spic or an Asian a chink? Am I wrong?

No... White people can be called any names.. because they deserved it...
Also as a majority, owners of most of the wealth, and holders of most of the powers they do not care.

Wealth and power shouldn't hold more value then morals and justice. Its these out of wack priorities as to why the human race has been failing so drastically.

Morals and justice cannot be protected or even exist without wealth and power.
Wealth and power are just tools used by people for good or for evil depending on who this people are.
Without wealth and power we will descend back into the caves to collect mushrooms and hunt for wild animals.

Your second sentence is pretty much in alignment though with what I stated. Wealth and power shouldn't hold more value then morals and justice. Is pretty much the same as wealth and power being tools used for good or evil depending on who these people are.

My comment though was more about the bragging shouldn't be about how much wealth and power one has. The bragging should come from what was accomplished with the wealth and power to help others.

Its more impressive the amount of charitable work that Bill & his wife Melinda Gates (with contributions from Warren Buffet have put in with their goals of improving the health and immunization world wide targeting poverty stricken civilizations. Then the wealth that that they acquired.

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9/10/2016  1:29 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:Oh my, WTF was Hillary thinking with this "deplorables" comment? Ugh. Not good. Half of Trump's supporters? That's like 25 million Americans. You can't say things like that about 25 million Americans if you want to win a presidential election. I hope this is not a Romney 47% moment.

Even if she was only talking about the ones who attend his rallies. They are clearly voting for him but the President needs to unite the country.
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9/10/2016  1:45 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Oh my, WTF was Hillary thinking with this "deplorables" comment? Ugh. Not good. Half of Trump's supporters? That's like 25 million Americans. You can't say things like that about 25 million Americans if you want to win a presidential election. I hope this is not a Romney 47% moment.

Even if she was only talking about the ones who attend his rallies. They are clearly voting for him but the President needs to unite the country.


Jeez. I really hope she drops out and that put Biden or Kaine in. I don't know that Hillary is going to beat Trump.
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9/10/2016  1:52 PM
arkrud wrote:
nixluva wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
arkrud wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:Jesus people. Learn some History.

REDNECKS

The origins of this term Redneck are Scottish and refer to supporters of the National Covenant and The Solemn League and Covenant, or "Covenanters", largely Lowland Presbyterians, many of whom would flee Scotland for Ulster (Northern Ireland) during persecutions by the British Crown. The Covenanters of 1638 and 1641 signed the documents that stated that Scotland desired the Presbyterian form of church government and would not accept the Church of England as its official state church.

Many Covenanters signed in their own blood and wore red pieces of cloth around their necks as distinctive insignia; hence the term "Red neck", (rednecks) which became slang for a Scottish dissenter*. One Scottish immigrant, interviewed by the author, remembered a Presbyterian minister, one Dr. Coulter, in Glasgow in the 1940's wearing a red clerical collar -- is this symbolic of the "rednecks"?

Since many Ulster-Scottish settlers in America (especially the South) were Presbyterian, the term was applied to them, and then, later, their Southern descendants. One of the earliest examples of its use comes from 1830, when an author noted that "red-neck" was a "name bestowed upon the Presbyterians." It makes you wonder if the originators of the ever-present "redneck" joke are aware of the term’s origins - Rednecks?

*Another term for Presbyterians in Ireland was a "Blackmouth". Members of the Church of Ireland (Anglicans) used this as a slur, referring to the fact that one could tell a Presbyterian by the black stains around his mouth from eating blackberries while at secret, illegal Presbyterian Church Services in the countryside.

CRACKER

Another Ulster-Scot term, a "cracker" was a person who talked and boasted, and "craic" (Crack) is a term still used in Scotland and Ireland to describe "talking", chat or conversation in a social sense ("Let’s go down to the pub and have a craic"; "what's the craic"). The term, first used to describe a southerner of Ulster-Scottish background, later became a nickname for any white southerner, especially those who were uneducated.

And while not an exclusively Southern term, but rather referring in general to all Americans, the origins of this word are related to the other three.

http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/rednecks/rednecks.html

Nixluva--its a derogatory word used towards white people--no?


No.
This is just a term for people who work hard under the sun.
It sounds as derogatory word only for people who think that hard physical labor is only for slaves.
Like for example professor cannot be red-neck...

And that's how all these racial slurs started. Like Chink-Ching Dynasty and working on the railroads


I deal with FACTS. Now over time many words take on new meanings and are used differently or viewed differently by a new generation of people, however the origin of terms is what I presented and it's important to know this.

There are many FACTS which contradict each other.
You just pick up FACTS which prove your point and disregard all that disprove.
This called demagogy. Its an old art of speech and politics invented in Ancient Greece.
Bad facts can be found about any group of population but in FACT they do not prove anything.
One always demands objectivity to the group he belongs and always subjective to the groups he did not.
Human nature...

You're wrong! See my post above! I'm very much in touch with the facts in this country. My people have been here BEFORE this became a country. I'm not your typical person that doesn't know his family's history in this country. I try to get to the bottom of topics I comment on and present as much detail as possible using reliable sources.

Yes there is bad information out there presented as fact but I would challenge you to prove my sources are not accurate or that my lived experience is not true. The pics I posted above back up my statements. Look at one of the flags on the back of the trucks and you can see it proudly says Redneck on it. If you go to Rural areas during a festival you will see tons of this. I know cuz I live in the South.
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9/10/2016  3:16 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Oh my, WTF was Hillary thinking with this "deplorables" comment? Ugh. Not good. Half of Trump's supporters? That's like 25 million Americans. You can't say things like that about 25 million Americans if you want to win a presidential election. I hope this is not a Romney 47% moment.

Even if she was only talking about the ones who attend his rallies. They are clearly voting for him but the President needs to unite the country.


Jeez. I really hope she drops out and that put Biden or Kaine in. I don't know that Hillary is going to beat Trump.

Too late for that. They wouldn't be able to get on the ballot, unfortunately.
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H1AND1 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Oh my, WTF was Hillary thinking with this "deplorables" comment? Ugh. Not good. Half of Trump's supporters? That's like 25 million Americans. You can't say things like that about 25 million Americans if you want to win a presidential election. I hope this is not a Romney 47% moment.

Even if she was only talking about the ones who attend his rallies. They are clearly voting for him but the President needs to unite the country.


Jeez. I really hope she drops out and that put Biden or Kaine in. I don't know that Hillary is going to beat Trump.

Too late for that. They wouldn't be able to get on the ballot, unfortunately.


Oh I didn't realize that. Darn.
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9/10/2016  4:39 PM
Assange: Next Release Of 100,000 Clinton Docs Will Finish Hillary
http://yournewswire.com/assange-next-release-of-100000-clinton-docs-will-finish-hillary/

small quote:

We have tens of thousands, possibly as many as a hundred thousand, pages of documents of different types, related to the operations that Hillary Clinton is associated with, the WikiLeaks founder said in a radio interview with Sean Hannity.

There are some, several … in response to the DNC publications, a lot of people have been inspired by the impact, and so they have stepped forward with additional material.

Good to hear that more people are coming forward.

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earthmansurfer wrote:Assange: Next Release Of 100,000 Clinton Docs Will Finish Hillary
http://yournewswire.com/assange-next-release-of-100000-clinton-docs-will-finish-hillary/

small quote:

We have tens of thousands, possibly as many as a hundred thousand, pages of documents of different types, related to the operations that Hillary Clinton is associated with, the WikiLeaks founder said in a radio interview with Sean Hannity.

There are some, several … in response to the DNC publications, a lot of people have been inspired by the impact, and so they have stepped forward with additional material.

Good to hear that more people are coming forward.

So for the Trump supporters.....Are Clinton supporters suppose to believe that Trump doesn't have a similar crooked email traffic? We are talking about a guy who refuses to release his taxes. Just think for a second, if Trump released his taxes...and the Govt released his deleted emails, will Trump supporters still follow? Yes.....Because it's deepers than Hillary's emails.

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^WOW Prime example of how kick-backs and $$$$ will only get you so far
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earthmansurfer wrote:Assange: Next Release Of 100,000 Clinton Docs Will Finish Hillary
http://yournewswire.com/assange-next-release-of-100000-clinton-docs-will-finish-hillary/

small quote:

We have tens of thousands, possibly as many as a hundred thousand, pages of documents of different types, related to the operations that Hillary Clinton is associated with, the WikiLeaks founder said in a radio interview with Sean Hannity.

There are some, several … in response to the DNC publications, a lot of people have been inspired by the impact, and so they have stepped forward with additional material.

Good to hear that more people are coming forward.

So for the Trump supporters.....Are Clinton supporters suppose to believe that Trump doesn't have a similar crooked email traffic? We are talking about a guy who refuses to release his taxes. Just think for a second, if Trump released his taxes...and the Govt released his deleted emails, will Trump supporters still follow? Yes.....Because it's deepers than Hillary's emails.

Emails that jeopardize our national security?
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Most Trump morons don't know what Deplorable means.
She said half. Its not a "basket", its a cesspool!

Instead of governing, GOP will try to impeach her and block progress in the name of the party.
Not unity, not the country. Same shyt y'all did with Obama.
"GOP first"!
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gunsnewing wrote:
blkexec wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Assange: Next Release Of 100,000 Clinton Docs Will Finish Hillary
http://yournewswire.com/assange-next-release-of-100000-clinton-docs-will-finish-hillary/

small quote:

We have tens of thousands, possibly as many as a hundred thousand, pages of documents of different types, related to the operations that Hillary Clinton is associated with, the WikiLeaks founder said in a radio interview with Sean Hannity.

There are some, several … in response to the DNC publications, a lot of people have been inspired by the impact, and so they have stepped forward with additional material.

Good to hear that more people are coming forward.

So for the Trump supporters.....Are Clinton supporters suppose to believe that Trump doesn't have a similar crooked email traffic? We are talking about a guy who refuses to release his taxes. Just think for a second, if Trump released his taxes...and the Govt released his deleted emails, will Trump supporters still follow? Yes.....Because it's deepers than Hillary's emails.

Emails that jeopardize our national security?

Which of Hillary's emails actually jeopardized U.S. Security? So far nothing that has been reported has been shown to do that. In Theory it could've happened but there's been nothing brought forth to this point.
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9/10/2016  6:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/10/2016  6:41 PM
Nalod wrote:Most Trump morons don't know what Deplorable means.
She said half. Its not a "basket", its a cesspool!

Instead of governing, GOP will try to impeach her and block progress in the name of the party.
Not unity, not the country. Same shyt y'all did with Obama.
"GOP first"!

She said Trump supporters not the GOP and some of the old guard that make up the GOP aren't even behind Trump and prefer Hillary and the status quo so they can continue to line their pockets
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