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11/16/2014  11:43 AM
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knickscity wrote:Dallas might be proving that "top offense/middle of the pack defense" theory. it's work just fine in the regular season, only make them a tough out in the playoffs.

I love how they are doing it though.....76 points in the paint last night. They arent taking long jumpers all night. Just threes and layups.

Looks like Carlisle runs a 2-3guards

Dribble penetration drive and kick game


Even their 3s can get it done

Tyson is sorta beasting

He can smell that new contract, a-coming!

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11/16/2014  12:41 PM
smackeddog wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
knickscity wrote:Dallas might be proving that "top offense/middle of the pack defense" theory. it's work just fine in the regular season, only make them a tough out in the playoffs.

I love how they are doing it though.....76 points in the paint last night. They arent taking long jumpers all night. Just threes and layups.

Looks like Carlisle runs a 2-3guards

Dribble penetration drive and kick game


Even their 3s can get it done

Tyson is sorta beasting

He can smell that new contract, a-coming!


Tyson would get a nice deal regardless, he's still viewed in high regard, just overpaid.
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11/16/2014  4:10 PM

By Adrian Wojnarowski
1 hour ago

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Rudy Gay has reached agreement on a three-year, $40 million contract extension with the Sacramento Kings, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
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11/16/2014  4:24 PM
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By Adrian Wojnarowski
1 hour ago

Yahoo Sports

Rudy Gay has reached agreement on a three-year, $40 million contract extension with the Sacramento Kings, league sources told Yahoo Sports.


That is a pretty decent contract for SAC.

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11/16/2014  8:31 PM
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By Adrian Wojnarowski
1 hour ago

Yahoo Sports

Rudy Gay has reached agreement on a three-year, $40 million contract extension with the Sacramento Kings, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

ROTFLOL!


He knew he had to take that contract

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11/16/2014  10:55 PM
LMAO @ Kobe with 24 shots in the first half....can it be more obvious that dude is strictly playing for the all time scoring record....
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11/17/2014  8:48 AM
Uptown wrote:LMAO @ Kobe with 24 shots in the first half....can it be more obvious that dude is strictly playing for the all time scoring record....

From what I understand, that first half, the rest of the players just sucked. Lin had his worst performance of the season. Hill came back to earth and Boozer is well Boozer.

Been watching the Lakers some and Kobe has lost a step or 2. He really needs to adapt and pick his spots. The problem with them is their bigs. They can't defend and they don't set good screens. Kobe and Lin needs this. Kobe due to his diminishing skills and Lin because Lin is a PnR player.

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11/17/2014  5:23 PM
Yup, Lin had a terrible game last night but . . . I felt kinda sorry for him. GS was killing LAL and the entire LAL game plan was: Give the ball to Kobe. Sure, Kobe scored a zillion points but, doh, the rest of the team was just standing around watching.
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11/17/2014  6:47 PM
Nuggets stuff from Dwyer:
One rival team executive said the Nuggets called to propose a trade that was obviously unkosher under league rules, something that rarely, if ever, happens because no general manager wants to betray ignorance of such a rudimentary part of the gig. Most have the good sense to call the league to fact-check potential acquisitions.


General managers are engaged in a 12-month game of poker. They read each other for tells and vulnerabilities and prey on weaknesses. Projecting a lack of confidence or expertise can mark you as the fish at the table.


"There's definitely a lack of confidence when Tim calls," a different exec said. "You can hear it, and it's not even his fault because this wasn't a job he sought out. The s--- hit the fan [in late spring 2013], and he was needed in triage right away. How do you not take the job if it's offered?"


The team’s best player after Faried, point man Ty Lawson, has still struggled with his long-suffering ankles this year. Danilo Gallinari has been wildly inconsistent after missing about a year and a half with a torn ACL (and weirdly botched recovery time), JaVale McGee still can’t find a home on an NBA court, rookies Gary Harris and Jusuf Nurkic haven’t had much time to contribute, Wilson Chandler looks completely lost on the offensive end, and Arron Afflalo has yet to approximate his breakout 2013-14 campaign in his return to Denver.

The team is nearly paying the luxury tax for this mess. There will be some options this summer, but the team will also be paying eight figure salaries to four players. Five, if the team decides to hand an appropriate extension to Afflalo should he opt out of the final year of his deal.

The roster is almost entirely made up of Ujiri hires, and though he’s earned our respect it is worth noting that Masai signed a healthy chunk of that 2-7 Denver Nuggets lineup and relatively few prominent members of the current Toronto Raptor team that appears on their way toward another Atlantic title. That’s just how luck runs in this league sometimes, and too often the hiring of a coach (and who was more coveted, in the summer of 2013, than Brian Shaw?) is enough to knock things pear-shaped.

The Denver Nuggets, as always, are back to acting as one weird experiment.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/report--denver-s-gm-has-offered-deals-that-weren-t-salary-cap-legal-202945444.html
There is a lot more in the article.
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11/17/2014  8:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/17/2014  8:10 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Nuggets stuff from Dwyer:
One rival team executive said the Nuggets called to propose a trade that was obviously unkosher under league rules, something that rarely, if ever, happens because no general manager wants to betray ignorance of such a rudimentary part of the gig. Most have the good sense to call the league to fact-check potential acquisitions.


General managers are engaged in a 12-month game of poker. They read each other for tells and vulnerabilities and prey on weaknesses. Projecting a lack of confidence or expertise can mark you as the fish at the table.


"There's definitely a lack of confidence when Tim calls," a different exec said. "You can hear it, and it's not even his fault because this wasn't a job he sought out. The s--- hit the fan [in late spring 2013], and he was needed in triage right away. How do you not take the job if it's offered?"


The team’s best player after Faried, point man Ty Lawson, has still struggled with his long-suffering ankles this year. Danilo Gallinari has been wildly inconsistent after missing about a year and a half with a torn ACL (and weirdly botched recovery time), JaVale McGee still can’t find a home on an NBA court, rookies Gary Harris and Jusuf Nurkic haven’t had much time to contribute, Wilson Chandler looks completely lost on the offensive end, and Arron Afflalo has yet to approximate his breakout 2013-14 campaign in his return to Denver.

The team is nearly paying the luxury tax for this mess. There will be some options this summer, but the team will also be paying eight figure salaries to four players. Five, if the team decides to hand an appropriate extension to Afflalo should he opt out of the final year of his deal.

The roster is almost entirely made up of Ujiri hires, and though he’s earned our respect it is worth noting that Masai signed a healthy chunk of that 2-7 Denver Nuggets lineup and relatively few prominent members of the current Toronto Raptor team that appears on their way toward another Atlantic title. That’s just how luck runs in this league sometimes, and too often the hiring of a coach (and who was more coveted, in the summer of 2013, than Brian Shaw?) is enough to knock things pear-shaped.

The Denver Nuggets, as always, are back to acting as one weird experiment.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/report--denver-s-gm-has-offered-deals-that-weren-t-salary-cap-legal-202945444.html
There is a lot more in the article.

Wow. Great article. Thanks for sharing.

And that's an interesting point about Masai, who so many NBA nerds love to fellate as a genius. What exactly has he done besides get the best of Jim Dolan a couple times (which btw is not saying much, hell even a rite of passage as an NBA gm)?

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11/17/2014  8:29 PM
Dallas offense is like watching a ballet
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11/17/2014  9:37 PM
what the heck is going on with Houston's offense in the last two games?
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11/17/2014  9:46 PM
H1AND1 wrote:And that's an interesting point about Masai, who so many NBA nerds love to fellate as a genius. What exactly has he done besides get the best of Jim Dolan a couple times (which btw is not saying much, hell even a rite of passage as an NBA gm)?

He drafted Kenneth Faried and Evan Fournier. ( Both late first round picks) Both took time to develop, but Faried broke out with Team USA and Fournier looks pretty good now as a young on the rise prospect.

He converted the perpetually injured Nene for JaVale McGee. While McGee is a player with a ten cent head, at least McGee can actually suit up for games. Nene would break something just having the wind blow too hard near him.

Immediately dumped the Bargnani and Gay contracts once in Toronto, often seen as immovable to most. ( Gay is not the same player he became in Sacto) Despite having close to zero trade leverage, simply waited Dolan out to get Mozgov, who strangely might be the most valuable player the Nuggets got in the Melo trade.

I'm not hot on the Nuggets pickup of Igoudala, but he managed to get something for him in a sign and trade instead of losing him for nothing.

You could argue he didn't have complete control in Denver ( thus his exodus along with Karl) but having it now in Toronto, that team looks pretty good. The Cabolco pick will probably define his Raptors era, but if I had to choose between a young gun GM in his mid 40s or Phil Jackson, who might not be alive in five years, or at least will likely be out of basketball, I'd rather the Knick had Ujiri.

Maybe he does get credit for a bit of common sense ( if you are going to try to trade rape a team, go to the Knicks and Kings first) but sometimes the best path is the simple path. If he was the Knicks GM instead of Dolan going for Zeke and Zen and whomever else, before Sacto and Randedive smartened up, it's possible STAT would be rotting on the bench in a Kings uniform right now.

Sorry, until Zen proves himself and the Knicks start turning copper into gold from the draft and UDFA and 2nd rounders and Tier 3 free agents, I don't think anyone here should be pissing on other team's GMs who have had some moderate success. Because it's far more success than the current Knicks have.

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11/17/2014  9:47 PM
So more Denver stuff since it was mentioned.


Sources say they do not really like Faried. I don't get it. Why not try harder to trade him?

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/11/17/7235589/kenneth-faried-nuggets-free-agent-extension

The most notable revelation in the well-reported feature centers on Kenneth Faried, who signed a four-year, $50 million extension in the offseason. That was a deal the Nuggets wouldn't have offered in a perfect world, according to Arnovitz.

Several sources around the league insist the Nuggets' hand was forced with regard to Faried. After the signing of Hickson to a three-year, approximately $16 million contract soon after Connelly's arrival, the sense was the bouncy big man was insurance against Faried's departure in free agency in 2014. Faried was a fan favorite in Denver, but multiple sources with knowledge of the Nuggets' thinking maintain the team "isn't crazy about him," particularly Shaw. But with Faried's boffo showing last summer with Team USA and a loyal following in Denver, the media-conscious Nuggets caved, adding yet another imperfect 4-man to their lot.

"[Faried] is a helluva player and plays hard, but he isn't well liked [in the organization]," a league source said. "That gets glossed over. He says crazy s---. He thinks he's the guy, and other guys take exception to his contract."

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11/17/2014  9:58 PM
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H1AND1 wrote:And that's an interesting point about Masai, who so many NBA nerds love to fellate as a genius. What exactly has he done besides get the best of Jim Dolan a couple times (which btw is not saying much, hell even a rite of passage as an NBA gm)?

He drafted Kenneth Faried and Evan Fournier. ( Both late first round picks) Both took time to develop, but Faried broke out with Team USA and Fournier looks pretty good now as a young on the rise prospect.

He converted the perpetually injured Nene for JaVale McGee. While McGee is a player with a ten cent head, at least McGee can actually suit up for games. Nene would break something just having the wind blow too hard near him.

Immediately dumped the Bargnani and Gay contracts once in Toronto, often seen as immovable to most. ( Gay is not the same player he became in Sacto) Despite having close to zero trade leverage, simply waited Dolan out to get Mozgov, who strangely might be the most valuable player the Nuggets got in the Melo trade.

I'm not hot on the Nuggets pickup of Igoudala, but he managed to get something for him in a sign and trade instead of losing him for nothing.

You could argue he didn't have complete control in Denver ( thus his exodus along with Karl) but having it now in Toronto, that team looks pretty good. The Cabolco pick will probably define his Raptors era, but if I had to choose between a young gun GM in his mid 40s or Phil Jackson, who might not be alive in five years, or at least will likely be out of basketball, I'd rather the Knick had Ujiri.

Maybe he does get credit for a bit of common sense ( if you are going to try to trade rape a team, go to the Knicks and Kings first) but sometimes the best path is the simple path. If he was the Knicks GM instead of Dolan going for Zeke and Zen and whomever else, before Sacto and Randedive smartened up, it's possible STAT would be rotting on the bench in a Kings uniform right now.

Sorry, until Zen proves himself and the Knicks start turning copper into gold from the draft and UDFA and 2nd rounders and Tier 3 free agents, I don't think anyone here should be pissing on other team's GMs who have had some moderate success. Because it's far more success than the current Knicks have.

Yes because dolan personally called me to sign off on the Phil Jackson hire.

Are you kidding? lmao

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11/17/2014  10:26 PM
H1AND1 wrote:Are you kidding? lmao


In the 2011 NBA draft, the Knicks took Shumpert at 17.

Faried went at 22 in that same draft.

Tobias Harris went 19
Reggie Jackson went 24
Jimmy Butler went 30
Chandler Parsons went 38th overall


In the 2010 draft, Landry Fields went 39th overall.

The guy selected behind him? Lance Stephenson.

In 2009, the Knicks took Jordan Hill with the 8th overall pick

Bypassing DeMar Derozan, Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague and Taj Gibson

In the 2013 draft, Tim Hardaway Jr went 24th overall. Who got picked just a few picks later? Rudy Gobert.


Like I said before, my take on it is before Knicks fans start bagging on other GMs and their "success", let's not forget that the current Knicks fanbase would KILL to have a Faried or Fournier on the roster right now.

Maybe a ton of the more touted GMs are overrated, but comparing them to the Knicks current draft and personnel history, would it be that hard to want to laud them with praise?

Keep laughing. Because the Knicks GM is a 69 year old guy who is probably taking his nap right now after having an egg salad sandwich and some iced tea. I'm sure he squeezed in an episode of Murder She Wrote too on his old trusty VHS player. The joke isn't on the supposed "NBA nerds" as you call them, the joke is on the Knicks.

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11/17/2014  10:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/17/2014  10:34 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:And that's an interesting point about Masai, who so many NBA nerds love to fellate as a genius. What exactly has he done besides get the best of Jim Dolan a couple times (which btw is not saying much, hell even a rite of passage as an NBA gm)?

He drafted Kenneth Faried and Evan Fournier. ( Both late first round picks) Both took time to develop, but Faried broke out with Team USA and Fournier looks pretty good now as a young on the rise prospect.

He converted the perpetually injured Nene for JaVale McGee. While McGee is a player with a ten cent head, at least McGee can actually suit up for games. Nene would break something just having the wind blow too hard near him.

Immediately dumped the Bargnani and Gay contracts once in Toronto, often seen as immovable to most. ( Gay is not the same player he became in Sacto) Despite having close to zero trade leverage, simply waited Dolan out to get Mozgov, who strangely might be the most valuable player the Nuggets got in the Melo trade.

I'm not hot on the Nuggets pickup of Igoudala, but he managed to get something for him in a sign and trade instead of losing him for nothing.

You could argue he didn't have complete control in Denver ( thus his exodus along with Karl) but having it now in Toronto, that team looks pretty good. The Cabolco pick will probably define his Raptors era, but if I had to choose between a young gun GM in his mid 40s or Phil Jackson, who might not be alive in five years, or at least will likely be out of basketball, I'd rather the Knick had Ujiri.

Maybe he does get credit for a bit of common sense ( if you are going to try to trade rape a team, go to the Knicks and Kings first) but sometimes the best path is the simple path. If he was the Knicks GM instead of Dolan going for Zeke and Zen and whomever else, before Sacto and Randedive smartened up, it's possible STAT would be rotting on the bench in a Kings uniform right now.

Sorry, until Zen proves himself and the Knicks start turning copper into gold from the draft and UDFA and 2nd rounders and Tier 3 free agents, I don't think anyone here should be pissing on other team's GMs who have had some moderate success. Because it's far more success than the current Knicks have.

Nene has played 20 more games and 1700 more minutes then McGee since the trade. He also is a much better player.
Also, Ujiri was in Toronto when the Iggy to the Warriors deal was done.
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11/17/2014  10:46 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:Are you kidding? lmao


In the 2011 NBA draft, the Knicks took Shumpert at 17.

Faried went at 22 in that same draft.

Tobias Harris went 19
Reggie Jackson went 24
Jimmy Butler went 30
Chandler Parsons went 38th overall


In the 2010 draft, Landry Fields went 39th overall.

The guy selected behind him? Lance Stephenson.

In 2009, the Knicks took Jordan Hill with the 8th overall pick

Bypassing DeMar Derozan, Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague and Taj Gibson

In the 2013 draft, Tim Hardaway Jr went 24th overall. Who got picked just a few picks later? Rudy Gobert.


Like I said before, my take on it is before Knicks fans start bagging on other GMs and their "success", let's not forget that the current Knicks fanbase would KILL to have a Faried or Fournier on the roster right now.

Maybe a ton of the more touted GMs are overrated, but comparing them to the Knicks current draft and personnel history, would it be that hard to want to laud them with praise?

Keep laughing. Because the Knicks GM is a 69 year old guy who is probably taking his nap right now after having an egg salad sandwich and some iced tea. I'm sure he squeezed in an episode of Murder She Wrote too on his old trusty VHS player. The joke isn't on the supposed "NBA nerds" as you call them, the joke is on the Knicks.

You misconstrued what I meant.

I was referring to your implication that a knicks fan can't possibly critique/discuss another GM because of the moves the Knicks and Dolan have made, as if I or any other fan had a say in them.

Believe me, I am as cynical a Knicks fan as they come and I don't need you to tell me any of this stuff.

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11/17/2014  11:12 PM
mirotic has mad skills
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/17/2014  11:50 PM
mreinman wrote:mirotic has mad skills

Yes he does, the Bulls have sexy pieces

I like and ones we desperately need

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