smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Very few players in the league could lead the Knicks to a 54 win season with chandler and JR are their next best players. Melo does need to step up in the playoffs but he has absolutely proven to be a star in this league. We will see if he can continue to improve. This is a big year as he should have a little more help with Bargnani.

YOU ARE forgetting the great start that guys like jason kidd had, JR had a career year, that helped the knicks get to 54 wins... this myth that carmelo dragged the knicks to 54 wins is hilarious...

And BTW chandler does have a ring, starting at center for DAllas...difference is, their franchise player is flat out better than ours... hands down..

So you're saying Melo had nothing to do with those 54 wins (despite taking all those inefficient shots), it was JR's doing. So you genuinely believe that we won 54 game INSPITE of Melo?

It was weird how you disappeared during that win streak at the end of the season...

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:TFK... Im not complaining about anything. Just calling it like I see it. If you cant acknowledge the Melo had a great year last year and while guys were coming and going left and right he was the motor that drove the car to 50+ wins you are utterly and totally lost and blind. I remember when the Knicks were playing .300 ball, Isiah was being run out of town and Marbury was getting booed every play and Holfresh thread after thread would sit here and write how good Isiah and Marbs were, great players, will turn it around etc... it was lunacy. Your the exact same except the other way. Open your eyes dude. Melo has holes in his game but he's a top 10 player.

Yea.. it was hot streaks by Kidd and Kurt Thomas that won the 50+, not the guy who was scoring 30 a night, cause anyone can do that. Just give Tim Thomas 30 shots a game and he wins a scoring title also. Thank god for you Tyson laid down like a girl against Hibbert and JR missed every shot because if they play like anything besides total garbage Knicks are playing the Heat in the ECF and that would have been impossible to stomach for you. Get over it dude. Time to move on.

Melo's not getting traded for junk so MSG can be in the lottery for another 10 years. Its not happening. Look for other options. Let go. Its time. Hugs.

You gotta let go of your Melo hate. The trade is over. Its not your fault TFK. Its not...

+1 Leading Candidate for Post of the New Young Season
Fish, if nothing else, tkf is the most consistent poster on this board.

And he will not answer to any of your alternate outcomes because "they're not worth answering". Unstomachable indeed.

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Very few players in the league could lead the Knicks to a 54 win season with chandler and JR are their next best players. Melo does need to step up in the playoffs but he has absolutely proven to be a star in this league. We will see if he can continue to improve. This is a big year as he should have a little more help with Bargnani.

YOU ARE forgetting the great start that guys like jason kidd had, JR had a career year, that helped the knicks get to 54 wins... this myth that carmelo dragged the knicks to 54 wins is hilarious...

And BTW chandler does have a ring, starting at center for DAllas...difference is, their franchise player is flat out better than ours... hands down..

So you're saying Melo had nothing to do with those 54 wins (despite taking all those inefficient shots), it was JR's doing. So you genuinely believe that we won 54 game INSPITE of Melo?

It was weird how you disappeared during that win streak at the end of the season...

the one where Melo averaged 30points and 10 boards for the month of April but had no impact on the game? That month?

Yep- thank goodness we were able to overcome the detrimental effects of melo's 30pts and 10rebs to win all those games!

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Very few players in the league could lead the Knicks to a 54 win season with chandler and JR are their next best players. Melo does need to step up in the playoffs but he has absolutely proven to be a star in this league. We will see if he can continue to improve. This is a big year as he should have a little more help with Bargnani.

YOU ARE forgetting the great start that guys like jason kidd had, JR had a career year, that helped the knicks get to 54 wins... this myth that carmelo dragged the knicks to 54 wins is hilarious...

And BTW chandler does have a ring, starting at center for DAllas...difference is, their franchise player is flat out better than ours... hands down..

So you're saying Melo had nothing to do with those 54 wins (despite taking all those inefficient shots), it was JR's doing. So you genuinely believe that we won 54 game INSPITE of Melo?

It was weird how you disappeared during that win streak at the end of the season...

the one where Melo averaged 30points and 10 boards for the month of April but had no impact on the game? That month?

Yep- thank goodness we were able to overcome the detrimental effects of melo's 30pts and 10rebs to win all those games!

This is the biggest problem with a lot of the hardcore Melo supporters. You don't see any shades of gray. TKF simply disagreed with the claim that Melo carried the team to 54 wins. And you took that to mean he "had no impact at all on the game."

His posts always insist that Melo has no positive impact on the game ever (that's my main issue with them, because its a daft position, that I don't think even he truly believes)- I don't think he has or will ever acknowledge that he sometimes has had a positive impact. (he came close to it yesterday, though!)

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Very few players in the league could lead the Knicks to a 54 win season with chandler and JR are their next best players. Melo does need to step up in the playoffs but he has absolutely proven to be a star in this league. We will see if he can continue to improve. This is a big year as he should have a little more help with Bargnani.

YOU ARE forgetting the great start that guys like jason kidd had, JR had a career year, that helped the knicks get to 54 wins... this myth that carmelo dragged the knicks to 54 wins is hilarious...

And BTW chandler does have a ring, starting at center for DAllas...difference is, their franchise player is flat out better than ours... hands down..

So you're saying Melo had nothing to do with those 54 wins (despite taking all those inefficient shots), it was JR's doing. So you genuinely believe that we won 54 game INSPITE of Melo?

It was weird how you disappeared during that win streak at the end of the season...

the one where Melo averaged 30points and 10 boards for the month of April but had no impact on the game? That month?

Yep- thank goodness we were able to overcome the detrimental effects of melo's 30pts and 10rebs to win all those games!

This is the biggest problem with a lot of the hardcore Melo supporters. You don't see any shades of gray. TKF simply disagreed with the claim that Melo carried the team to 54 wins. And you took that to mean he "had no impact at all on the game."

I have no issue with him thinking Melo is not a superstar/franchise player/etc, thats fine. Its the fact that he refers to him as a decent scorer, glenn robinson clone, best fit as a 6th man on a good team, etc. We can all agree to disagree on the star argument, but referring to him as anything less than what he is (great scorer, perennial all-star, mvp candidate), thats where the criticism comes from.

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Very few players in the league could lead the Knicks to a 54 win season with chandler and JR are their next best players. Melo does need to step up in the playoffs but he has absolutely proven to be a star in this league. We will see if he can continue to improve. This is a big year as he should have a little more help with Bargnani.

YOU ARE forgetting the great start that guys like jason kidd had, JR had a career year, that helped the knicks get to 54 wins... this myth that carmelo dragged the knicks to 54 wins is hilarious...

And BTW chandler does have a ring, starting at center for DAllas...difference is, their franchise player is flat out better than ours... hands down..

So you're saying Melo had nothing to do with those 54 wins (despite taking all those inefficient shots), it was JR's doing. So you genuinely believe that we won 54 game INSPITE of Melo?

It was weird how you disappeared during that win streak at the end of the season...

the one where Melo averaged 30points and 10 boards for the month of April but had no impact on the game? That month?

Yep- thank goodness we were able to overcome the detrimental effects of melo's 30pts and 10rebs to win all those games!

This is the biggest problem with a lot of the hardcore Melo supporters. You don't see any shades of gray. TKF simply disagreed with the claim that Melo carried the team to 54 wins. And you took that to mean he "had no impact at all on the game."

I have no issue with him thinking Melo is not a superstar/franchise player/etc, thats fine. Its the fact that he refers to him as a decent scorer, glenn robinson clone, best fit as a 6th man on a good team, etc. We can all agree to disagree on the star argument, but referring to him as anything less than what he is (great scorer, perennial all-star, mvp candidate), thats where the criticism comes from.

Bonn, for someone who lives in the hard facts of numbers and esoteric high brow statistics, your self-elected position as Insane Melo Hate Clown Posse Defender is truly unbecoming.

jrodmc wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Very few players in the league could lead the Knicks to a 54 win season with chandler and JR are their next best players. Melo does need to step up in the playoffs but he has absolutely proven to be a star in this league. We will see if he can continue to improve. This is a big year as he should have a little more help with Bargnani.

YOU ARE forgetting the great start that guys like jason kidd had, JR had a career year, that helped the knicks get to 54 wins... this myth that carmelo dragged the knicks to 54 wins is hilarious...

And BTW chandler does have a ring, starting at center for DAllas...difference is, their franchise player is flat out better than ours... hands down..

So you're saying Melo had nothing to do with those 54 wins (despite taking all those inefficient shots), it was JR's doing. So you genuinely believe that we won 54 game INSPITE of Melo?

It was weird how you disappeared during that win streak at the end of the season...

the one where Melo averaged 30points and 10 boards for the month of April but had no impact on the game? That month?

Yep- thank goodness we were able to overcome the detrimental effects of melo's 30pts and 10rebs to win all those games!

This is the biggest problem with a lot of the hardcore Melo supporters. You don't see any shades of gray. TKF simply disagreed with the claim that Melo carried the team to 54 wins. And you took that to mean he "had no impact at all on the game."

I have no issue with him thinking Melo is not a superstar/franchise player/etc, thats fine. Its the fact that he refers to him as a decent scorer, glenn robinson clone, best fit as a 6th man on a good team, etc. We can all agree to disagree on the star argument, but referring to him as anything less than what he is (great scorer, perennial all-star, mvp candidate), thats where the criticism comes from.

+1
And don't forget, 16th century game, HOF candidacy is a joke, I hate his face, we gave away a great team to get here, he loves money, blah blah blah.

Bonn, for someone who lives in the hard facts of numbers and esoteric high brow statistics, your self-elected position as Insane Melo Hate Clown Posse Defender is truly unbecoming.

I need an English translation of that last sentence

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Very few players in the league could lead the Knicks to a 54 win season with chandler and JR are their next best players. Melo does need to step up in the playoffs but he has absolutely proven to be a star in this league. We will see if he can continue to improve. This is a big year as he should have a little more help with Bargnani.

YOU ARE forgetting the great start that guys like jason kidd had, JR had a career year, that helped the knicks get to 54 wins... this myth that carmelo dragged the knicks to 54 wins is hilarious...

And BTW chandler does have a ring, starting at center for DAllas...difference is, their franchise player is flat out better than ours... hands down..

So you're saying Melo had nothing to do with those 54 wins (despite taking all those inefficient shots), it was JR's doing. So you genuinely believe that we won 54 game INSPITE of Melo?

It was weird how you disappeared during that win streak at the end of the season...

the one where Melo averaged 30points and 10 boards for the month of April but had no impact on the game? That month?

Yep- thank goodness we were able to overcome the detrimental effects of melo's 30pts and 10rebs to win all those games!

This is the biggest problem with a lot of the hardcore Melo supporters. You don't see any shades of gray. TKF simply disagreed with the claim that Melo carried the team to 54 wins. And you took that to mean he "had no impact at all on the game."

I have no issue with him thinking Melo is not a superstar/franchise player/etc, thats fine. Its the fact that he refers to him as a decent scorer, glenn robinson clone, best fit as a 6th man on a good team, etc. We can all agree to disagree on the star argument, but referring to him as anything less than what he is (great scorer, perennial all-star, mvp candidate), thats where the criticism comes from.

+1
And don't forget, 16th century game, HOF candidacy is a joke, I hate his face, we gave away a great team to get here, he loves money, blah blah blah.

Bonn, for someone who lives in the hard facts of numbers and esoteric high brow statistics, your self-elected position as Insane Melo Hate Clown Posse Defender is truly unbecoming.

I need an English translation of that last sentence

And you, a reported member of academia... here, look at some pictures...

We hate Melo, we will not plead guilty to homerism, We hate Melo, we hate his game, his face, his scent, his elbow wraps, his three to the head ripoff, his innate fatness, his very existence brings us to the brink of projectile vomit...We are the Insane Melo Hate Clown Posse...

I am Bonn, Defender of Melo Hate, JD, LLC. Here I am in an action shot discussing why TS% and shooting % should invariably lead one to believe that Melo is a prime example of an unwanted and ultimately unneccesary pregnancy. In the extemely humble and rational opinions of my clients. I don't love my job, but I don't mind the money at all...

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Very few players in the league could lead the Knicks to a 54 win season with chandler and JR are their next best players. Melo does need to step up in the playoffs but he has absolutely proven to be a star in this league. We will see if he can continue to improve. This is a big year as he should have a little more help with Bargnani.

YOU ARE forgetting the great start that guys like jason kidd had, JR had a career year, that helped the knicks get to 54 wins... this myth that carmelo dragged the knicks to 54 wins is hilarious...

And BTW chandler does have a ring, starting at center for DAllas...difference is, their franchise player is flat out better than ours... hands down..

So you're saying Melo had nothing to do with those 54 wins (despite taking all those inefficient shots), it was JR's doing. So you genuinely believe that we won 54 game INSPITE of Melo?

It was weird how you disappeared during that win streak at the end of the season...

the one where Melo averaged 30points and 10 boards for the month of April but had no impact on the game? That month?

ok fish, I know you are better than this..... but I will play along.. you are right... without carmelo the knicks are 0-82