tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

Or they could suffer an injury or have to trade a piece they could use and be the thunder.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

No, you can predict which approaches are more probable to work out - the prediction will be useful in large samples but imperfect. That doesn't mean you should go with a low probability strategy. If it was the reverse - if we had already strong team built around a versatile 23 year old like Harden, other good young players, and lots of cap space, I'm sure you wouldn't look around the NBA and pick the Knicks as *the* team (or even *a* team) whose roster you wish you could switch with.

Depends on what you goal is, some teams will never have the goal of a championship, so they cannot be compared with a team that is trying to reach that goal.

There is no science of how to build a team with a championship goal.

There may be a preference, but there is no PROVEN way.

For instance, the teams with the most combined in rings.... the Celtics and Lakers did it with an amazing amount of talent and very solid coaching and systems, with most recently both teams making major trades that imported such talent.

I could say that's the best way because those teams have the majority or ings.

Based on recent history, the best way to build a championship team is by aquiring big time talent via free agency and trade. Most of these players come to that team as mid-career, prime players. Maybe one of those players started with the team at a young age, but won't win a title until he is well into his prime and joined by other players at the same point in their career. In other words, based on recent championship formulas, you have a higher chance of building a championship with Melo in the mix and adding more high caliber talent at the same career point then building thru the draft, trying to identify a stud, and building from there. Again, that path might be most appealing because its more fun and has many unknown factors, but recent history suggests the odds of building a championship team thru the draft are slim to none. OKC has been the model example of everything going right in a draft for a team over a 3-year period and years later they are still looking for their championship.

oh really? but you forgot one major part.. those teams had a core piece on that team they drafted... they didn't werck their team to acquire such players..

celtics, had pierce and rondo

heat: wade

lakers: kobe

mavs: Dirk

only team that didn't really have that was detroit, but lord knows we are not looking to follow the detroit model.. we need STAAAAAARS!!!

In other words, based on recent championship formulas, you have a higher chance of building a championship with Melo in the mix and adding more high caliber talent at the same career point then building thru the draft, trying to identify a stud, and building from there

in other words this is not true... only if carmelo had stayed in denver could you say such a thing.. problem is, denver got him AI and billups and they still could not get to the finals...

you are not just wrong here but 100% wrong..

I didn't forget that major part, read again and you will see I mentioned it. However, it's irrelevant because those core players are typically in their primes, making max money. They aren't winning title in their rookies contracts as the main piece so who cares if they are drafted by their team or not. And if you really want to play that game fine. We have a current core piece in iman shumpert who can satisfy your counter theory. Shumpert (who we drafted), Melo, and a 3rd core player. That answers to your counter-point, happy?

If you are going to play big brother and determine me to be 100% wrong then read thoroughly please.

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

Or they could suffer an injury or have to trade a piece they could use and be the thunder.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

No, you can predict which approaches are more probable to work out - the prediction will be useful in large samples but imperfect. That doesn't mean you should go with a low probability strategy. If it was the reverse - if we had already strong team built around a versatile 23 year old like Harden, other good young players, and lots of cap space, I'm sure you wouldn't look around the NBA and pick the Knicks as *the* team (or even *a* team) whose roster you wish you could switch with.

Depends on what you goal is, some teams will never have the goal of a championship, so they cannot be compared with a team that is trying to reach that goal.

There is no science of how to build a team with a championship goal.

There may be a preference, but there is no PROVEN way.

For instance, the teams with the most combined in rings.... the Celtics and Lakers did it with an amazing amount of talent and very solid coaching and systems, with most recently both teams making major trades that imported such talent.

I could say that's the best way because those teams have the majority or ings.

name me one team who isn't trying to win a championship? despite records I doubt there is a franchise out there that isn't trying to win a championship...

All 30 teams do not go into each season with a goal to win a championship that season.

so you are saying they go in with a goal to lose.. now expectations are one thing, but every team goes into the season trying to win every game...or at least they should... to say some teams will never have a goal of a championship is not true, every year teams are hoping to get that franchise player in the lottery, to have that breakout year... To be the next OKC...

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

Or they could suffer an injury or have to trade a piece they could use and be the thunder.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

No, you can predict which approaches are more probable to work out - the prediction will be useful in large samples but imperfect. That doesn't mean you should go with a low probability strategy. If it was the reverse - if we had already strong team built around a versatile 23 year old like Harden, other good young players, and lots of cap space, I'm sure you wouldn't look around the NBA and pick the Knicks as *the* team (or even *a* team) whose roster you wish you could switch with.

Depends on what you goal is, some teams will never have the goal of a championship, so they cannot be compared with a team that is trying to reach that goal.

There is no science of how to build a team with a championship goal.

There may be a preference, but there is no PROVEN way.

For instance, the teams with the most combined in rings.... the Celtics and Lakers did it with an amazing amount of talent and very solid coaching and systems, with most recently both teams making major trades that imported such talent.

I could say that's the best way because those teams have the majority or ings.

name me one team who isn't trying to win a championship? despite records I doubt there is a franchise out there that isn't trying to win a championship...

All 30 teams do not go into each season with a goal to win a championship that season.

so you are saying they go in with a goal to lose.. now expectations are one thing, but every team goes into the season trying to win every game...or at least they should... to say some teams will never have a goal of a championship is not true, every year teams are hoping to get that franchise player in the lottery, to have that breakout year... To be the next OKC...

i'm saying exactly what i said.

WHICH basically didn't make sense... ok, gotcha..

Only in your world do you believe no championship equals lose.

Sterlings would beg to differ for decades, Jordan would beg to differ now, isn't even putting a competitive product on the floor.

Even from every single debate you've had you dont think even the Knicks are either.

And since when is OKC the bar? They're lucky to have made it once, it will be harder to get back, as we already have seen.

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

Or they could suffer an injury or have to trade a piece they could use and be the thunder.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

No, you can predict which approaches are more probable to work out - the prediction will be useful in large samples but imperfect. That doesn't mean you should go with a low probability strategy. If it was the reverse - if we had already strong team built around a versatile 23 year old like Harden, other good young players, and lots of cap space, I'm sure you wouldn't look around the NBA and pick the Knicks as *the* team (or even *a* team) whose roster you wish you could switch with.

Depends on what you goal is, some teams will never have the goal of a championship, so they cannot be compared with a team that is trying to reach that goal.

There is no science of how to build a team with a championship goal.

There may be a preference, but there is no PROVEN way.

For instance, the teams with the most combined in rings.... the Celtics and Lakers did it with an amazing amount of talent and very solid coaching and systems, with most recently both teams making major trades that imported such talent.

I could say that's the best way because those teams have the majority or ings.

Based on recent history, the best way to build a championship team is by aquiring big time talent via free agency and trade. Most of these players come to that team as mid-career, prime players. Maybe one of those players started with the team at a young age, but won't win a title until he is well into his prime and joined by other players at the same point in their career. In other words, based on recent championship formulas, you have a higher chance of building a championship with Melo in the mix and adding more high caliber talent at the same career point then building thru the draft, trying to identify a stud, and building from there. Again, that path might be most appealing because its more fun and has many unknown factors, but recent history suggests the odds of building a championship team thru the draft are slim to none. OKC has been the model example of everything going right in a draft for a team over a 3-year period and years later they are still looking for their championship.

ask yourself why melo wanted out of denver.

i have a theory: he was running away from his inferiority. i think denver realized this too which is why they cried crocodile tears over the trade. melo can't accept that he's a secondary player. reality is going to catch up with this guy sooner than later.

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

Or they could suffer an injury or have to trade a piece they could use and be the thunder.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

No, you can predict which approaches are more probable to work out - the prediction will be useful in large samples but imperfect. That doesn't mean you should go with a low probability strategy. If it was the reverse - if we had already strong team built around a versatile 23 year old like Harden, other good young players, and lots of cap space, I'm sure you wouldn't look around the NBA and pick the Knicks as *the* team (or even *a* team) whose roster you wish you could switch with.

Depends on what you goal is, some teams will never have the goal of a championship, so they cannot be compared with a team that is trying to reach that goal.

There is no science of how to build a team with a championship goal.

There may be a preference, but there is no PROVEN way.

For instance, the teams with the most combined in rings.... the Celtics and Lakers did it with an amazing amount of talent and very solid coaching and systems, with most recently both teams making major trades that imported such talent.

I could say that's the best way because those teams have the majority or ings.

Based on recent history, the best way to build a championship team is by aquiring big time talent via free agency and trade. Most of these players come to that team as mid-career, prime players. Maybe one of those players started with the team at a young age, but won't win a title until he is well into his prime and joined by other players at the same point in their career. In other words, based on recent championship formulas, you have a higher chance of building a championship with Melo in the mix and adding more high caliber talent at the same career point then building thru the draft, trying to identify a stud, and building from there. Again, that path might be most appealing because its more fun and has many unknown factors, but recent history suggests the odds of building a championship team thru the draft are slim to none. OKC has been the model example of everything going right in a draft for a team over a 3-year period and years later they are still looking for their championship.

ask yourself why melo wanted out of denver.

i have a theory: he was running away from his inferiority. i think denver realized this too which is why they cried crocodile tears over the trade. melo can't accept that he's a secondary player. reality is going to catch up with this guy sooner than later.

When will Denver get out the first round? I thought this team had such success? When will they get out the first round?

Karl doesn't have the star player to blame anymore, can't even use injuries either, they got beat by a team whose best player was on one ankle and the other was hobbling around.

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

Or they could suffer an injury or have to trade a piece they could use and be the thunder.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

No, you can predict which approaches are more probable to work out - the prediction will be useful in large samples but imperfect. That doesn't mean you should go with a low probability strategy. If it was the reverse - if we had already strong team built around a versatile 23 year old like Harden, other good young players, and lots of cap space, I'm sure you wouldn't look around the NBA and pick the Knicks as *the* team (or even *a* team) whose roster you wish you could switch with.

Depends on what you goal is, some teams will never have the goal of a championship, so they cannot be compared with a team that is trying to reach that goal.

There is no science of how to build a team with a championship goal.

There may be a preference, but there is no PROVEN way.

For instance, the teams with the most combined in rings.... the Celtics and Lakers did it with an amazing amount of talent and very solid coaching and systems, with most recently both teams making major trades that imported such talent.

I could say that's the best way because those teams have the majority or ings.

Based on recent history, the best way to build a championship team is by aquiring big time talent via free agency and trade. Most of these players come to that team as mid-career, prime players. Maybe one of those players started with the team at a young age, but won't win a title until he is well into his prime and joined by other players at the same point in their career. In other words, based on recent championship formulas, you have a higher chance of building a championship with Melo in the mix and adding more high caliber talent at the same career point then building thru the draft, trying to identify a stud, and building from there. Again, that path might be most appealing because its more fun and has many unknown factors, but recent history suggests the odds of building a championship team thru the draft are slim to none. OKC has been the model example of everything going right in a draft for a team over a 3-year period and years later they are still looking for their championship.

ask yourself why melo wanted out of denver.

i have a theory: he was running away from his inferiority. i think denver realized this too which is why they cried crocodile tears over the trade. melo can't accept that he's a secondary player. reality is going to catch up with this guy sooner than later.

I suspect he got tired of folks blaming him for George Karl's ineptness.

When will Denver get out the first round? I thought this team had such success? When will they get out the first round?

Karl doesn't have the star player to blame anymore, can't even use injuries either, they got beat by a team whose best player was on one ankle and the other was hobbling around.

of course... it's never, ever melo's fault. and here in new york woodson was inept and the "supporting cast" "didn't step up."

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

Or they could suffer an injury or have to trade a piece they could use and be the thunder.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

No, you can predict which approaches are more probable to work out - the prediction will be useful in large samples but imperfect. That doesn't mean you should go with a low probability strategy. If it was the reverse - if we had already strong team built around a versatile 23 year old like Harden, other good young players, and lots of cap space, I'm sure you wouldn't look around the NBA and pick the Knicks as *the* team (or even *a* team) whose roster you wish you could switch with.

Depends on what you goal is, some teams will never have the goal of a championship, so they cannot be compared with a team that is trying to reach that goal.

There is no science of how to build a team with a championship goal.

There may be a preference, but there is no PROVEN way.

For instance, the teams with the most combined in rings.... the Celtics and Lakers did it with an amazing amount of talent and very solid coaching and systems, with most recently both teams making major trades that imported such talent.

I could say that's the best way because those teams have the majority or ings.

Based on recent history, the best way to build a championship team is by aquiring big time talent via free agency and trade. Most of these players come to that team as mid-career, prime players. Maybe one of those players started with the team at a young age, but won't win a title until he is well into his prime and joined by other players at the same point in their career. In other words, based on recent championship formulas, you have a higher chance of building a championship with Melo in the mix and adding more high caliber talent at the same career point then building thru the draft, trying to identify a stud, and building from there. Again, that path might be most appealing because its more fun and has many unknown factors, but recent history suggests the odds of building a championship team thru the draft are slim to none. OKC has been the model example of everything going right in a draft for a team over a 3-year period and years later they are still looking for their championship.

ask yourself why melo wanted out of denver.

i have a theory: he was running away from his inferiority. i think denver realized this too which is why they cried crocodile tears over the trade. melo can't accept that he's a secondary player. reality is going to catch up with this guy sooner than later.

I suspect he got tired of folks blaming him for George Karl's ineptness.

When will Denver get out the first round? I thought this team had such success? When will they get out the first round?

Karl doesn't have the star player to blame anymore, can't even use injuries either, they got beat by a team whose best player was on one ankle and the other was hobbling around.

of course... it's never, ever melo's fault. and here in new york woodson was inept and the "supporting cast" "didn't step up."

You brought it up and I answered

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

Or they could suffer an injury or have to trade a piece they could use and be the thunder.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

No, you can predict which approaches are more probable to work out - the prediction will be useful in large samples but imperfect. That doesn't mean you should go with a low probability strategy. If it was the reverse - if we had already strong team built around a versatile 23 year old like Harden, other good young players, and lots of cap space, I'm sure you wouldn't look around the NBA and pick the Knicks as *the* team (or even *a* team) whose roster you wish you could switch with.

Depends on what you goal is, some teams will never have the goal of a championship, so they cannot be compared with a team that is trying to reach that goal.

There is no science of how to build a team with a championship goal.

There may be a preference, but there is no PROVEN way.

For instance, the teams with the most combined in rings.... the Celtics and Lakers did it with an amazing amount of talent and very solid coaching and systems, with most recently both teams making major trades that imported such talent.

I could say that's the best way because those teams have the majority or ings.

Based on recent history, the best way to build a championship team is by aquiring big time talent via free agency and trade. Most of these players come to that team as mid-career, prime players. Maybe one of those players started with the team at a young age, but won't win a title until he is well into his prime and joined by other players at the same point in their career. In other words, based on recent championship formulas, you have a higher chance of building a championship with Melo in the mix and adding more high caliber talent at the same career point then building thru the draft, trying to identify a stud, and building from there. Again, that path might be most appealing because its more fun and has many unknown factors, but recent history suggests the odds of building a championship team thru the draft are slim to none. OKC has been the model example of everything going right in a draft for a team over a 3-year period and years later they are still looking for their championship.

ask yourself why melo wanted out of denver.

i have a theory: he was running away from his inferiority. i think denver realized this too which is why they cried crocodile tears over the trade. melo can't accept that he's a secondary player. reality is going to catch up with this guy sooner than later.

I suspect he got tired of folks blaming him for George Karl's ineptness.

When will Denver get out the first round? I thought this team had such success? When will they get out the first round?

Karl doesn't have the star player to blame anymore, can't even use injuries either, they got beat by a team whose best player was on one ankle and the other was hobbling around.

of course... it's never, ever melo's fault. and here in new york woodson was inept and the "supporting cast" "didn't step up."

Can you please stop with the 'it's never melo's fault'. I know you have been asked before by other posters. If you don't have anything to add don't bother replying. I like the idea that you make your catch phrase your signature. It will still be in every post you respond to you just won't have to write it.

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

what has he done for this franchise exactly that is worth celebrating? you sound like you are suffering from battered-fan syndrome where quasi-relevance is meaningful after sheer awfulness. how do you feel about remaining quasi-relevant for as long as carmelo anthony is employed by the knicks at 250k per game?

Again, only 1 team wins every year. Should the other 29 teams say their season is unsuccessful? what have we done worth celebrating? Atlantic Division title (regular season success) and playoff series win (some playoff success.) And about the 250k per game or whatever. Guess how much of that is coming out of my pocket then ask yourself if i am concerned with that. And being quasi-relevant as you put it can be ok because here's the thing, if you are in the mix every year, you never know what can happen. Matchups, injuries, getting hot at the right time. Anything can help you get over the top if you give yourselves a chance every year. With Melo you give yourself a chance.

If you are built around a 23 year old player with a young supporting cast and the above description was just the beginning of a likely stretch of several years of achievements, then it would be worth celebrating IMO. If the 3 year peak of a group of mostly 10 to 20 year vets is an overall NBA 7th place regular season, 6-6 post-season/2nd round loss, I'm not congratulating anyone.

Or they could suffer an injury or have to trade a piece they could use and be the thunder.

There is no way to predict how these things turn out, that's why the games are played.

No, you can predict which approaches are more probable to work out - the prediction will be useful in large samples but imperfect. That doesn't mean you should go with a low probability strategy. If it was the reverse - if we had already strong team built around a versatile 23 year old like Harden, other good young players, and lots of cap space, I'm sure you wouldn't look around the NBA and pick the Knicks as *the* team (or even *a* team) whose roster you wish you could switch with.

Depends on what you goal is, some teams will never have the goal of a championship, so they cannot be compared with a team that is trying to reach that goal.

There is no science of how to build a team with a championship goal.

There may be a preference, but there is no PROVEN way.

For instance, the teams with the most combined in rings.... the Celtics and Lakers did it with an amazing amount of talent and very solid coaching and systems, with most recently both teams making major trades that imported such talent.

I could say that's the best way because those teams have the majority or ings.

Based on recent history, the best way to build a championship team is by aquiring big time talent via free agency and trade. Most of these players come to that team as mid-career, prime players. Maybe one of those players started with the team at a young age, but won't win a title until he is well into his prime and joined by other players at the same point in their career. In other words, based on recent championship formulas, you have a higher chance of building a championship with Melo in the mix and adding more high caliber talent at the same career point then building thru the draft, trying to identify a stud, and building from there. Again, that path might be most appealing because its more fun and has many unknown factors, but recent history suggests the odds of building a championship team thru the draft are slim to none. OKC has been the model example of everything going right in a draft for a team over a 3-year period and years later they are still looking for their championship.

ask yourself why melo wanted out of denver.

i have a theory: he was running away from his inferiority. i think denver realized this too which is why they cried crocodile tears over the trade. melo can't accept that he's a secondary player. reality is going to catch up with this guy sooner than later.

I suspect he got tired of folks blaming him for George Karl's ineptness.

When will Denver get out the first round? I thought this team had such success? When will they get out the first round?

Karl doesn't have the star player to blame anymore, can't even use injuries either, they got beat by a team whose best player was on one ankle and the other was hobbling around.

of course... it's never, ever melo's fault. and here in new york woodson was inept and the "supporting cast" "didn't step up."

Answer what Denver's excuse now?

You brought it up and I answered

they missed gallinari something fierce. he provides a rudder and ballast for that team. underrated player and well worth the money they are paying him.

Hahahaha. Here we go.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:LOL.. it is hilarious now at the attacks on paul George, as if that will help excuse carmelo and his constant failures.. WOW... some fans.. smh

I feel like you would rather see the Knicks fail because Melo is on the team. That is sad.

is that what you really feel?

well I feel you are too worried about what I feel....

I just don't understand why you are obsessed over hating a good player who has his flaws, but has already done so much for this franchise in such a short time that the positives far outweigh the flaws. He is what he is, a guy who can get to the playoffs but needs help succeeding at a certain point, like most other stars. So i think it's time to leave it alone for awhile. I lurk every thread and you say the same in every one.

You're free to view .600 in reg season, and 7-14 in the playoffs, and high ppgh, as meaningful but you should respect that some of our fellow Knicks fans don't.

It needs to go both ways which, is my issue with some. We are told to respect the views of posters who dislike Anthony but, they many refuse to accept the views of guys who do. I recently got practically stalked by a guy calling me a Melo lover because I rarely post critiques.

The Melo haters seem to be the most vocal group here and they give those who like him constant grief.

Also, switch him and Melo and we'd be hating on George too

I agree. But you must understand how those Melo haters think. First of all they are miserable sports fans and probably have nothing else to do and are miserable in life. That's if they have one. They pick certain players who must fit thier mold. It's not about winning with them it's how you win and if the team looses they are happy with that just as long as they play a certain way. You must see it this way they hate Melo for who he is. They must hate someone. If Melo got traded and other players came in who they liked they would still be miserable. Thats who they are and they can't change. If Melo brought us a Championship they would say it was because this or that but not Melo. That's who they are. They are very unhappy so called fans.

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:ask yourself why melo wanted out of denver.

i have a theory: he was running away from his inferiority. i think denver realized this too which is why they cried crocodile tears over the trade. melo can't accept that he's a secondary player. reality is going to catch up with this guy sooner than later.

So...Denver tried to re-sign him after realizing he was inferior?

if he insists on leaving what point is there in genuinely trying to re-sign him? i think ujuri is much sharper than you give him credit for-- same with walsh. ujuri went through the motions, played dolan like a drum, parlayed melo's passiveness into a huge win. at best it was a mutual parting of the ways for denver and anthony.