Hersports85 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im not a believer that Carmelo Anthony wouldve went to the Nets. That was leverage he used on Dolan. If the Knicks just explained to Carmelo that we want to give you every dime--but we also want you to win a championship--like Lebron--its bets that we sign you outright following the season. If we did that-we would be a legit championship contender. Forget Miami for one minute--we have no chance no chance as composed to even compete with the Bulls and when they get Derrick Rose either will the Heat. We needed to keep Gallo especially giving us that third special gun and guys like Chandelr Mosgov draft picks--this team couldve been awesome. It still is a GOOD team and its capable of doing some very good things but we couldve buily a dynasty team if patient.

Here is the problem with your argument. If he didn't sign with the Nets, he probably would have stayed in Denver. Melo situation was different than all other All-Star or Superstar free agents. His contract expired during a the time of a LOCK OUT. Why do we keep ignoring this? With the unknown approaching, and Melo being involved in several union talks, he believed along with several EXECS and FINANCIAL ANALYST that the best financial move was to secure a contract with whatever team, Knicks was his first choice, before the end of the season. It's that simple. That is the facts despite what we may want to believe. I read outside experts opinions that have stated he made the right business move ... because above everything, basketball is a business.

With that said, I don't think we have a dynasty with Gallo, Melo and Wilson Chandler ... not even going to speak on Moz, not worth it. Neither is Jorts worth discussing.

I hate we gave Lin up for nothing, I really do. But I also like the pieces we have and think a lot of people will be proven wrong come playoff time if we're able to get healthy.

what would be wrong with him staying in denver? I don't get the need to go all out for him? that is my problem... the kind of trade we made is what you make for lebron, or duncan in his prime... lotter pick talent, multiple picks, cap space.. come on....

and you may not want to speak on moz, but if the nuggs get a first round pick trading moz, I am going to SCREAM!!!!!!!!

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im not a believer that Carmelo Anthony wouldve went to the Nets. That was leverage he used on Dolan. If the Knicks just explained to Carmelo that we want to give you every dime--but we also want you to win a championship--like Lebron--its bets that we sign you outright following the season. If we did that-we would be a legit championship contender. Forget Miami for one minute--we have no chance no chance as composed to even compete with the Bulls and when they get Derrick Rose either will the Heat. We needed to keep Gallo especially giving us that third special gun and guys like Chandelr Mosgov draft picks--this team couldve been awesome. It still is a GOOD team and its capable of doing some very good things but we couldve buily a dynasty team if patient.

I agree briggs and lets even explore this, had we taken that route, maybe instead of having to waste the amnesty on billups to get chandler, maybe we could have packaged gallo, picks, etc to make a run at a guy like dwight.. who knows.... keeping the assets would have given us a ton opportunity to make smarter, better moves..

The way you dislike Melo, I wouldn't have thought you would want D. Howard.

Hersports85 wrote:

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im not a believer that Carmelo Anthony wouldve went to the Nets. That was leverage he used on Dolan. If the Knicks just explained to Carmelo that we want to give you every dime--but we also want you to win a championship--like Lebron--its bets that we sign you outright following the season. If we did that-we would be a legit championship contender. Forget Miami for one minute--we have no chance no chance as composed to even compete with the Bulls and when they get Derrick Rose either will the Heat. We needed to keep Gallo especially giving us that third special gun and guys like Chandelr Mosgov draft picks--this team couldve been awesome. It still is a GOOD team and its capable of doing some very good things but we couldve buily a dynasty team if patient.

I agree briggs and lets even explore this, had we taken that route, maybe instead of having to waste the amnesty on billups to get chandler, maybe we could have packaged gallo, picks, etc to make a run at a guy like dwight.. who knows.... keeping the assets would have given us a ton opportunity to make smarter, better moves..

The way you dislike Melo, I wouldn't have thought you would want D. Howard.

not a big fan of his, I am throwing out scenarios.. I don't like dwight, but here is the thing.. He is dominant! probably the only physically dominant player in the league... believe me, i hate having to give that guy props.. LOL

I didn't like deron williams either, but would have considered him because he fit a need as would chandler...

carmelo was never really a need for us...

tkf wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im not a believer that Carmelo Anthony wouldve went to the Nets. That was leverage he used on Dolan. If the Knicks just explained to Carmelo that we want to give you every dime--but we also want you to win a championship--like Lebron--its bets that we sign you outright following the season. If we did that-we would be a legit championship contender. Forget Miami for one minute--we have no chance no chance as composed to even compete with the Bulls and when they get Derrick Rose either will the Heat. We needed to keep Gallo especially giving us that third special gun and guys like Chandelr Mosgov draft picks--this team couldve been awesome. It still is a GOOD team and its capable of doing some very good things but we couldve buily a dynasty team if patient.

Here is the problem with your argument. If he didn't sign with the Nets, he probably would have stayed in Denver. Melo situation was different than all other All-Star or Superstar free agents. His contract expired during a the time of a LOCK OUT. Why do we keep ignoring this? With the unknown approaching, and Melo being involved in several union talks, he believed along with several EXECS and FINANCIAL ANALYST that the best financial move was to secure a contract with whatever team, Knicks was his first choice, before the end of the season. It's that simple. That is the facts despite what we may want to believe. I read outside experts opinions that have stated he made the right business move ... because above everything, basketball is a business.

With that said, I don't think we have a dynasty with Gallo, Melo and Wilson Chandler ... not even going to speak on Moz, not worth it. Neither is Jorts worth discussing.

I hate we gave Lin up for nothing, I really do. But I also like the pieces we have and think a lot of people will be proven wrong come playoff time if we're able to get healthy.

what would be wrong with him staying in denver? I don't get the need to go all out for him? that is my problem... the kind of trade we made is what you make for lebron, or duncan in his prime... lotter pick talent, multiple picks, cap space.. come on....

and you may not want to speak on moz, but if the nuggs get a first round pick trading moz, I am going to SCREAM!!!!!!!!

I always hear people saying that NY can attract free agents because its a big market. The response to that is always a list of the free agents we failed to attract. Melo, a big time talent, singled us out as his destination. Dolan didnt wanna pass on it (for his own greedy reasons im sure).

tkf wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im not a believer that Carmelo Anthony wouldve went to the Nets. That was leverage he used on Dolan. If the Knicks just explained to Carmelo that we want to give you every dime--but we also want you to win a championship--like Lebron--its bets that we sign you outright following the season. If we did that-we would be a legit championship contender. Forget Miami for one minute--we have no chance no chance as composed to even compete with the Bulls and when they get Derrick Rose either will the Heat. We needed to keep Gallo especially giving us that third special gun and guys like Chandelr Mosgov draft picks--this team couldve been awesome. It still is a GOOD team and its capable of doing some very good things but we couldve buily a dynasty team if patient.

Here is the problem with your argument. If he didn't sign with the Nets, he probably would have stayed in Denver. Melo situation was different than all other All-Star or Superstar free agents. His contract expired during a the time of a LOCK OUT. Why do we keep ignoring this? With the unknown approaching, and Melo being involved in several union talks, he believed along with several EXECS and FINANCIAL ANALYST that the best financial move was to secure a contract with whatever team, Knicks was his first choice, before the end of the season. It's that simple. That is the facts despite what we may want to believe. I read outside experts opinions that have stated he made the right business move ... because above everything, basketball is a business.

With that said, I don't think we have a dynasty with Gallo, Melo and Wilson Chandler ... not even going to speak on Moz, not worth it. Neither is Jorts worth discussing.

I hate we gave Lin up for nothing, I really do. But I also like the pieces we have and think a lot of people will be proven wrong come playoff time if we're able to get healthy.

what would be wrong with him staying in denver? I don't get the need to go all out for him? that is my problem... the kind of trade we made is what you make for lebron, or duncan in his prime... lotter pick talent, multiple picks, cap space.. come on....

and you may not want to speak on moz, but if the nuggs get a first round pick trading moz, I am going to SCREAM!!!!!!!!

The Knicks organization had a problem with him staying in Denver. I agree, I would have liked to give just a little less ... but when Felton came back, I'll make that trade again, no question. The problem is, if not Melo then who else? Deron Williams, he's been on the decline. What if we actually got Joe Johnson, you will really be screaming!!! What about if we gave up all those assets for D. Howard and he leaves for nothing and decide not to sign with us, besides he wasn't too found of the Knicks in the first place. Lebron played us and used us for leverage, Wade is not leaving Miami. So what player would you go after that actually want to be here?

With Amare and the guys we had, we were a treadmill team. I understand wanting to save the Amnesty, and I love Amare, but it needed to be saved for him. However, I love having Tyson Chandler on this team. No Melo, you don't get him or Jr. Smith. Then ask Kidd why he came to New York and the first thing he says is ... "Tyson, Melo and being able to win" If we have Melo, Gallo and W. Chandler on the roster, do you draft Iman Shumpert? I really don't think we do and I love that kidd and I'll give up any of those players on the Nuggets for him.

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MSG3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im not a believer that Carmelo Anthony wouldve went to the Nets. That was leverage he used on Dolan. If the Knicks just explained to Carmelo that we want to give you every dime--but we also want you to win a championship--like Lebron--its bets that we sign you outright following the season. If we did that-we would be a legit championship contender. Forget Miami for one minute--we have no chance no chance as composed to even compete with the Bulls and when they get Derrick Rose either will the Heat. We needed to keep Gallo especially giving us that third special gun and guys like Chandelr Mosgov draft picks--this team couldve been awesome. It still is a GOOD team and its capable of doing some very good things but we couldve buily a dynasty team if patient.

You are asking Melo to take a pay cut. If thats the case, the same rule of thumb applies to Lin. Why couldn't managemnet explain to Lin that we want to give you every dime we could under the new CBA rules but we also want to build a championship team with you, Melo, Stat, Chandler, Kidd etc? Why couldn't Lin take less money to stay here? Instead he went for the money just Melo and every other athlete has done before them and will continue to do after them.

lin wasn't costing the knicks picks and players and a chance to get better... lin just cost the knicks tax money.. dolan has plenty of it and if his plan was to win, then you pay the price as long as it doesn't hurt your team... we are going to pay the tax anyway, how would signing lin hurt the team? or keep it from getting better?

The final year of his contract is a cap killer. If he didn't pan out we'd be stuck with a near max contract when everyone else is coming off the books. I still agree we shouldn't have let him go, but after all the outrage and narratives, there's a case to be made that the Knicks made the right call by not keeping him under those terms.

so by then if lin is playing great ball, near max ball...would he not be worth it for one year? our cap is crushed for that year anyone, especially if carmelo doesn't opt out ant exercises his player option.. 75 mil 90 mil no difference, we can't make any moves with either figure... why not have a player in lin on that squad, he along with shump would be the back court that could potentially take the knicks into the next phase.

That's a big IF...but again, I think they should've kept him. Just saying there's a strong case to be made for what they did.

Anji wrote:Scenarios should also include the worst no??? Not just the best.

Knicks would have really failed if they were sitting here now hoping Amare, Gallo and Felton could lead them anywhere.

+100000

Hersports85 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im not a believer that Carmelo Anthony wouldve went to the Nets. That was leverage he used on Dolan. If the Knicks just explained to Carmelo that we want to give you every dime--but we also want you to win a championship--like Lebron--its bets that we sign you outright following the season. If we did that-we would be a legit championship contender. Forget Miami for one minute--we have no chance no chance as composed to even compete with the Bulls and when they get Derrick Rose either will the Heat. We needed to keep Gallo especially giving us that third special gun and guys like Chandelr Mosgov draft picks--this team couldve been awesome. It still is a GOOD team and its capable of doing some very good things but we couldve buily a dynasty team if patient.

Here is the problem with your argument. If he didn't sign with the Nets, he probably would have stayed in Denver. Melo situation was different than all other All-Star or Superstar free agents. His contract expired during a the time of a LOCK OUT. Why do we keep ignoring this? With the unknown approaching, and Melo being involved in several union talks, he believed along with several EXECS and FINANCIAL ANALYST that the best financial move was to secure a contract with whatever team, Knicks was his first choice, before the end of the season. It's that simple. That is the facts despite what we may want to believe. I read outside experts opinions that have stated he made the right business move ... because above everything, basketball is a business.

With that said, I don't think we have a dynasty with Gallo, Melo and Wilson Chandler ... not even going to speak on Moz, not worth it. Neither is Jorts worth discussing.

I hate we gave Lin up for nothing, I really do. But I also like the pieces we have and think a lot of people will be proven wrong come playoff time if we're able to get healthy.

what would be wrong with him staying in denver? I don't get the need to go all out for him? that is my problem... the kind of trade we made is what you make for lebron, or duncan in his prime... lotter pick talent, multiple picks, cap space.. come on....

and you may not want to speak on moz, but if the nuggs get a first round pick trading moz, I am going to SCREAM!!!!!!!!

The Knicks organization had a problem with him staying in Denver. I agree, I would have liked to give just a little less ... but when Felton came back, I'll make that trade again, no question. The problem is, if not Melo then who else? Deron Williams, he's been on the decline. What if we actually got Joe Johnson, you will really be screaming!!! What about if we gave up all those assets for D. Howard and he leaves for nothing and decide not to sign with us, besides he wasn't too found of the Knicks in the first place. Lebron played us and used us for leverage, Wade is not leaving Miami. So what player would you go after that actually want to be here?

With Amare and the guys we had, we were a treadmill team. I understand wanting to save the Amnesty, and I love Amare, but it needed to be saved for him. However, I love having Tyson Chandler on this team. No Melo, you don't get him or Jr. Smith. Then ask Kidd why he came to New York and the first thing he says is ... "Tyson, Melo and being able to win" If we have Melo, Gallo and W. Chandler on the roster, do you draft Iman Shumpert? I really don't think we do and I love that kidd and I'll give up any of those players on the Nuggets for him.

well I believe in a process.... I don't look at it like, well we better get him or then what? Lets look at this, did anyone have a clue that chris paul would be going to the clippers? that Harden might be available? daryl morey said he was discussing harden months prior to the trade, in other words, he was doing his job keeping a pulse on the goings on around the league.. it is the Job of the GM and heck even the owner to some extent.. who knows what we could have done, but meanwhile we still had a young team that could compete, win, and we had assets..

now as far as deron, not sure how much of his play is decline or just injuries.. look at him lately, new coach, new spirit.. He is not my favorite person, but he filled a need badly..

No Melo, you don't get him or Jr. Smith. Then ask Kidd why he came to New York and the first thing he says is ... "Tyson, Melo and being able to win" If we have Melo, Gallo and W. Chandler on the roster, do you draft Iman Shumpert? I really don't think we do and I love that kidd and I'll give up any of those players on the Nuggets for him.

thats fine, I really don't want JR smith, kidd could have stayed put as well.. tyson chandler could have taken the money in GS, those guys are no reason to blow up your plan, do we draft shumpert? who knows maybe we take chandler parsons, or better yet faried, the man child.... there were options... saying we have melo allowed us to get JR smith and tyson chandler is no real prize for me, and I like tyson chandler..

I like shumpert a lot, not sure I give up gallo or chandler for him.. until shumpert shows me more than being a damn good defender and average offensive skills... but here is the key, it wasn't either or.. we could have had all of them..

again, you feel good about what we have.. and that is fine, I respect that. .i just don't.. I think we made an all in move that didn't make us any better than the teams we are trying to chase.. I don't think we can beat the celts, heat and most certainly the bulls with rose in a series, heck we can't beat them without rose.. I still question are we better than the pacers?

We are not entitled to anything and everything in life is a process. I'll be happy with us getting to the ECF, and as stated with a healthy back court of Felton and Shump besides a slow Kidd and injured brewer who was never good on offense, we can beat the Celtics and Pacers. The challenge do come against the Bulls and Miami and when hitting our shots and being locked in on defense, I like our chances.

BRIGGS wrote:Im not a believer that Carmelo Anthony wouldve went to the Nets. That was leverage he used on Dolan. If the Knicks just explained to Carmelo that we want to give you every dime--but we also want you to win a championship--like Lebron--its bets that we sign you outright following the season. If we did that-we would be a legit championship contender. Forget Miami for one minute--we have no chance no chance as composed to even compete with the Bulls and when they get Derrick Rose either will the Heat. We needed to keep Gallo especially giving us that third special gun and guys like Chandelr Mosgov draft picks--this team couldve been awesome. It still is a GOOD team and its capable of doing some very good things but we couldve buily a dynasty team if patient.

Gallo, Wilson and Mozgov needed to be resigned. Not sure the Knicks could afford to or want to for that matter. I mean we let David Lee go who is a much better player

tkf wrote:

and you may not want to speak on moz, but if the nuggs get a first round pick trading moz, I am going to SCREAM!!!!!!!!

LOL not gonna happen. 2nd rounder at best