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12/15/2012  5:24 PM
cooch2584 wrote:Fellow posters please, I have asked the question numerous times and havent gotten any kind of answer. Seems dk likes to dance but when confronted,dances away.

what is the question you want answered?

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12/15/2012  5:25 PM
Now dk tells me to use the ignore button instead of answering my question from hours ago. This is a troll with an MBA in stupidity.
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12/15/2012  5:27 PM
cooch2584 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
cooch2584 wrote:Notice,Kobe aint talking stats or TS%. Kobe is talking like a very knowledgeable bball player.Ill take Kobes opinion over a bucket full of meaningless stats and unwarrented hate. There are many agendas being shown here but the only agenda that counts is wins and losses. And right now we are the team to beat. Finally, the Knicks are the talk of all the web sites and sports tv and radio. Why cant some just enjoy this national attention and soak in the glory?.Remember all the negative talk about this franchise over the past 10-15yrs about how we sucked and how we were a dysfunctional org. Its all changed, so myself, keep the stats and WINNING IS THE ONLY THING.

you could stand a refresher course in psychology. bryant is a vain douche who is projecting his own limitations as a player onto carmelo who shares the exact same limitations. of course bryant would sympathize with what amounts to an extension of himself. both these dudes lack utterly the ability for self-reflection and introspection. in speaking about carmelo's problems he is speaking about himself.

I think maybe you need a refresher course in being a pompous a**. Try separating,Kobe the person from Kobe the basketball player. Kobe the basketball player was talking about Melo the basketball player. And how do you know all the mumbo jumbo that your talking about above? Have you sat down with Kobe and /or Melo and talked to them to draw these assumptions in their personalities? Are you a psychologist? Or just a wanna be psychologist,sitting behind a keyboard trying to fan the flames? You can try and talk fancy all you want but to SOME of us the only stat that we care about is WINNING.

This question dk,inform us.

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12/15/2012  5:28 PM
Are you a psychologist, and how are you basing your assumption that Kobe is a vain douche?
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12/15/2012  5:30 PM
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dk7th wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
cooch2584 wrote:Notice,Kobe aint talking stats or TS%. Kobe is talking like a very knowledgeable bball player.Ill take Kobes opinion over a bucket full of meaningless stats and unwarrented hate. There are many agendas being shown here but the only agenda that counts is wins and losses. And right now we are the team to beat. Finally, the Knicks are the talk of all the web sites and sports tv and radio. Why cant some just enjoy this national attention and soak in the glory?.Remember all the negative talk about this franchise over the past 10-15yrs about how we sucked and how we were a dysfunctional org. Its all changed, so myself, keep the stats and WINNING IS THE ONLY THING.

you could stand a refresher course in psychology. bryant is a vain douche who is projecting his own limitations as a player onto carmelo who shares the exact same limitations. of course bryant would sympathize with what amounts to an extension of himself. both these dudes lack utterly the ability for self-reflection and introspection. in speaking about carmelo's problems he is speaking about himself.

There are several problems with this statement.


1. You can not say that he needs a refresher in a psychology "Course" and make a statement regarding self-reflection, when you really don't fully examine this subject or it's studies until about your second full year as a psych major... and this is coming from a psych major.

2. You say Carmelo lack the "ability for self-reflection and introspection" well, really there is no need to use both words, but okay. And the first flaw in your argument is his constant acknowledgement of "GOD", if you've taken a Philosophy and religion class along with that psychology class, you will know that ... the first rule in finding "GOD" is finding yourself, which is a direct cause for self reflection.

Also his ability to point out his flaws and the change in his game this year is called "self correct", which is brought upon "self reflection".

3. Exactly, what are Kobe limitations, and if these limitations have led him to 5 championships, and potentially the second greatest sg to play the game, is this really a valid argument?

4. I agree, Kobe is an a**hole but so are other greats. Michael Jordan was the biggest one!

5. Take away Kobe statements, you still have other players stating the same exact thing. Maybe Jason Kidd, Chris Mullen and Steve Kerr are more credible in your eyes. I would take what they say to the "bank" as well.

6. See, the problem with making statements about someone's character without knowing them can lead to a lot of misunderstanding ... It works both ways, I can "judge" you and say that you have a problem with self-reflection because of your inability to forgive the trade is directly linked to the inability to self reflect.

no need to waste keystrokes on me. melo and bryant are vain douches and their games are extensions of their vanity and douchiness.

i love players who play FOR others.
i like players who play WITH others.
i DON"T like players who merely play ALONGSIDE others.

Glad you admitted your position/agenda. I disagree about Melo. At least we can watch your team mvp tonight. Also, you have posted before that you felt that Melo would have had more character if he waited until he became a free agent and then signed with the Knicks. Is this still your position and the source of your Melo hate?

he could have waited. if he could have he should have, or why bother honoring the contract you are still playing under? that is a loophole that should be changed by including incentive clauses in walk years.

it was an unethical decision he made and i hate unethical behavior.

that said, if he puts his dirk on i will be pleased.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/15/2012  5:34 PM
cooch2584 wrote:
cooch2584 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
cooch2584 wrote:Notice,Kobe aint talking stats or TS%. Kobe is talking like a very knowledgeable bball player.Ill take Kobes opinion over a bucket full of meaningless stats and unwarrented hate. There are many agendas being shown here but the only agenda that counts is wins and losses. And right now we are the team to beat. Finally, the Knicks are the talk of all the web sites and sports tv and radio. Why cant some just enjoy this national attention and soak in the glory?.Remember all the negative talk about this franchise over the past 10-15yrs about how we sucked and how we were a dysfunctional org. Its all changed, so myself, keep the stats and WINNING IS THE ONLY THING.

you could stand a refresher course in psychology. bryant is a vain douche who is projecting his own limitations as a player onto carmelo who shares the exact same limitations. of course bryant would sympathize with what amounts to an extension of himself. both these dudes lack utterly the ability for self-reflection and introspection. in speaking about carmelo's problems he is speaking about himself.

I think maybe you need a refresher course in being a pompous a**. Try separating,Kobe the person from Kobe the basketball player. Kobe the basketball player was talking about Melo the basketball player. And how do you know all the mumbo jumbo that your talking about above? Have you sat down with Kobe and /or Melo and talked to them to draw these assumptions in their personalities? Are you a psychologist? Or just a wanna be psychologist,sitting behind a keyboard trying to fan the flames? You can try and talk fancy all you want but to SOME of us the only stat that we care about is WINNING.

This question dk,inform us.

i study people, starting with myself. i study basketball, based upon what i was taught by my coaches and my own experience. and i like words. and i don't care THAT we win so much as HOW we win.

you need to calm down friend. i have been very busy the last couple of days. i haven't watched the laker game yet.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/15/2012  5:35 PM
People dk asked me what question I wanted answered and then changed the subject and went in another direction. This is laughable.
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12/15/2012  5:36 PM
Still dancing huh dk?
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12/15/2012  5:37 PM
And I aint your friend,When I ask my friends questions they give me answers. You dont.
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12/15/2012  5:45 PM
dk7th wrote:incorrect.

pierce has been criminally underrated as a player, playing with terrible teams and playing alongside clowns like antoine walker for the first part of his career. pierce is a finals mvp.

bryant has been overrated for much of his career, as has melo.

players like pierce and ginobili don't have marketable games but they know how to play the game and it is rare they get their due compared to stern's darlings.

Any subjective by definition evaluation of who's underrated or not is not the point. Its your inability to distinguish between subjective and objective arguments and your inability to keep your own arguments straight from exchange to exchange.

You offered as evidence Bryant is an overrated player by citing the fact he only won TWO rings (of his 5) without Shaq. That is a standard that should fairly be used to evaluate ALL players. Pierce has 1, and he would have none with Garnett.

So objectively, I can apply the criteria YOU used to dismiss Kobe to the player you hold above all others. In YOUR view, that's a strike against Pierce.

That you don't seem to understand how often your own logic twists against your agenda is what's being pointed out.

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12/15/2012  5:47 PM
cooch2584 wrote:And I aint your friend,When I ask my friends questions they give me answers. You dont.

i said i study people. everyone is a psychologist to the degree they study themselves and others. unlike you i see the games of most players as extensions of who they are as people.

this could be a fruitful discussion if you want it to be.

anyway... ok so i am not your friend. as i said no need to get bent out of shape. use the ignore button.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/15/2012  5:52 PM
dk7th wrote:i said i study people.

If this is true you should be able to acknowledge freely your personal opinion of Melo, what in your opinion is his character and what in your opinion is his lack of ethics is a significant influence on your perpetual desire to discredit him as a basketball player.

If you're going to try to assert you personal feelings toward him and your evaluation of him as a player are completely independent of one another, you have NO place speaking about psychological study, of yourself or anyone else.

This would be the height of self-delusion.

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12/15/2012  5:53 PM
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cooch2584 wrote:And I aint your friend,When I ask my friends questions they give me answers. You dont.

i said i study people. everyone is a psychologist to the degree they study themselves and others. unlike you i see the games of most players as extensions of who they are as people.

this could be a fruitful discussion if you want it to be.

anyway... ok so i am not your friend. as i said no need to get bent out of shape. use the ignore button.

"Everyone is a psychologist?" Are you kidding me?? So your not a psychologist and your basing your assumptions on watching people? You have big problems dk. My youngest son went to college for 8 yrs to be a psychologist and I think him and anyone that has gone to college to get their degree in psychology would disagree with you beyond your words.How can you even say or think that?

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12/15/2012  5:55 PM
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cooch2584 wrote:Fellow posters please, I have asked the question numerous times and havent gotten any kind of answer. Seems dk likes to dance but when confronted,dances away.

what is the question you want answered?

I have one.

Given Melo-Woodson pre-Kidd, and Melo-Woodson post Kidd have virtually identical success rates, exactly what are you basing the claim Kidd is more responsible to the Knicks 2012-13 success than Melo is?

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12/15/2012  5:56 PM
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dk7th wrote:i said i study people.

If this is true you should be able to acknowledge freely your personal opinion of Melo, what in your opinion is his character and what in your opinion is his lack of ethics is a significant influence on your perpetual desire to discredit him as a basketball player.

If you're going to try to assert you personal feelings toward him and your evaluation of him as a player are completely independent of one another, you have NO place speaking about psychological study, of yourself or anyone else.

This would be the height of self-delusion.

Yes Knicks he is delusional and needs help. Now I have my answer. Dk has BIG problems.

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12/15/2012  6:05 PM
I will not take advantage of a person that is delusional,thats not me,never was ,never will be.Sadly Im done with dk. Dk good luck and God Bless you and your family. Merry Christmas to you and your family dk.
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12/15/2012  6:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/15/2012  6:15 PM
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
cooch2584 wrote:Notice,Kobe aint talking stats or TS%. Kobe is talking like a very knowledgeable bball player.Ill take Kobes opinion over a bucket full of meaningless stats and unwarrented hate. There are many agendas being shown here but the only agenda that counts is wins and losses. And right now we are the team to beat. Finally, the Knicks are the talk of all the web sites and sports tv and radio. Why cant some just enjoy this national attention and soak in the glory?.Remember all the negative talk about this franchise over the past 10-15yrs about how we sucked and how we were a dysfunctional org. Its all changed, so myself, keep the stats and WINNING IS THE ONLY THING.

you could stand a refresher course in psychology. bryant is a vain douche who is projecting his own limitations as a player onto carmelo who shares the exact same limitations. of course bryant would sympathize with what amounts to an extension of himself. both these dudes lack utterly the ability for self-reflection and introspection. in speaking about carmelo's problems he is speaking about himself.

There are several problems with this statement.


1. You can not say that he needs a refresher in a psychology "Course" and make a statement regarding self-reflection, when you really don't fully examine this subject or it's studies until about your second full year as a psych major... and this is coming from a psych major.

2. You say Carmelo lack the "ability for self-reflection and introspection" well, really there is no need to use both words, but okay. And the first flaw in your argument is his constant acknowledgement of "GOD", if you've taken a Philosophy and religion class along with that psychology class, you will know that ... the first rule in finding "GOD" is finding yourself, which is a direct cause for self reflection.

Also his ability to point out his flaws and the change in his game this year is called "self correct", which is brought upon "self reflection".

3. Exactly, what are Kobe limitations, and if these limitations have led him to 5 championships, and potentially the second greatest sg to play the game, is this really a valid argument?

4. I agree, Kobe is an a**hole but so are other greats. Michael Jordan was the biggest one!

5. Take away Kobe statements, you still have other players stating the same exact thing. Maybe Jason Kidd, Chris Mullen and Steve Kerr are more credible in your eyes. I would take what they say to the "bank" as well.

6. See, the problem with making statements about someone's character without knowing them can lead to a lot of misunderstanding ... It works both ways, I can "judge" you and say that you have a problem with self-reflection because of your inability to forgive the trade is directly linked to the inability to self reflect.

no need to waste keystrokes on me. melo and bryant are vain douches and their games are extensions of their vanity and douchiness.

i love players who play FOR others.
i like players who play WITH others.
i DON"T like players who merely play ALONGSIDE others.

Glad you admitted your position/agenda. I disagree about Melo. At least we can watch your team mvp tonight. Also, you have posted before that you felt that Melo would have had more character if he waited until he became a free agent and then signed with the Knicks. Is this still your position and the source of your Melo hate?

he could have waited. if he could have he should have, or why bother honoring the contract you are still playing under? that is a loophole that should be changed by including incentive clauses in walk years.

it was an unethical decision he made and i hate unethical behavior.

that said, if he puts his dirk on i will be pleased.


You say this, but completely ignored my post with actual FACTS, where NBA insiders said he made the right financial decision. Also I gave you Melo's explanation ... broken down. Also Laid out why your psychology claim is false. But you rather keep making assumptions instead of having a discussion based upon facts.

And if you "study" people what science are you basing your claims upon, because sir it's not psychology as you tried to make it out to be. All you say is "no need to waste key strokes on me".

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12/15/2012  6:13 PM
Hersports85 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
cooch2584 wrote:Notice,Kobe aint talking stats or TS%. Kobe is talking like a very knowledgeable bball player.Ill take Kobes opinion over a bucket full of meaningless stats and unwarrented hate. There are many agendas being shown here but the only agenda that counts is wins and losses. And right now we are the team to beat. Finally, the Knicks are the talk of all the web sites and sports tv and radio. Why cant some just enjoy this national attention and soak in the glory?.Remember all the negative talk about this franchise over the past 10-15yrs about how we sucked and how we were a dysfunctional org. Its all changed, so myself, keep the stats and WINNING IS THE ONLY THING.

you could stand a refresher course in psychology. bryant is a vain douche who is projecting his own limitations as a player onto carmelo who shares the exact same limitations. of course bryant would sympathize with what amounts to an extension of himself. both these dudes lack utterly the ability for self-reflection and introspection. in speaking about carmelo's problems he is speaking about himself.

There are several problems with this statement.


1. You can not say that he needs a refresher in a psychology "Course" and make a statement regarding self-reflection, when you really don't fully examine this subject or it's studies until about your second full year as a psych major... and this is coming from a psych major.

2. You say Carmelo lack the "ability for self-reflection and introspection" well, really there is no need to use both words, but okay. And the first flaw in your argument is his constant acknowledgement of "GOD", if you've taken a Philosophy and religion class along with that psychology class, you will know that ... the first rule in finding "GOD" is finding yourself, which is a direct cause for self reflection.

Also his ability to point out his flaws and the change in his game this year is called "self correct", which is brought upon "self reflection".

3. Exactly, what are Kobe limitations, and if these limitations have led him to 5 championships, and potentially the second greatest sg to play the game, is this really a valid argument?

4. I agree, Kobe is an a**hole but so are other greats. Michael Jordan was the biggest one!

5. Take away Kobe statements, you still have other players stating the same exact thing. Maybe Jason Kidd, Chris Mullen and Steve Kerr are more credible in your eyes. I would take what they say to the "bank" as well.

6. See, the problem with making statements about someone's character without knowing them can lead to a lot of misunderstanding ... It works both ways, I can "judge" you and say that you have a problem with self-reflection because of your inability to forgive the trade is directly linked to the inability to self reflect.

no need to waste keystrokes on me. melo and bryant are vain douches and their games are extensions of their vanity and douchiness.

i love players who play FOR others.
i like players who play WITH others.
i DON"T like players who merely play ALONGSIDE others.

Glad you admitted your position/agenda. I disagree about Melo. At least we can watch your team mvp tonight. Also, you have posted before that you felt that Melo would have had more character if he waited until he became a free agent and then signed with the Knicks. Is this still your position and the source of your Melo hate?

he could have waited. if he could have he should have, or why bother honoring the contract you are still playing under? that is a loophole that should be changed by including incentive clauses in walk years.

it was an unethical decision he made and i hate unethical behavior.

that said, if he puts his dirk on i will be pleased.


You say this, but completely ignored my post with actual FACTS, where NBA insiders said he made the right financial decision. Also I gave you Melo's explanation ... broken down. Also Laid out why your psychology claim is false. But you rather keep making assumptions instead of having a discussion based upon facts.

Her, please read the posts above. Theres a problem that cant be fixed here. Go back about 6 or 8 posts.Please.

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12/15/2012  6:19 PM
cooch2584 wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
cooch2584 wrote:Notice,Kobe aint talking stats or TS%. Kobe is talking like a very knowledgeable bball player.Ill take Kobes opinion over a bucket full of meaningless stats and unwarrented hate. There are many agendas being shown here but the only agenda that counts is wins and losses. And right now we are the team to beat. Finally, the Knicks are the talk of all the web sites and sports tv and radio. Why cant some just enjoy this national attention and soak in the glory?.Remember all the negative talk about this franchise over the past 10-15yrs about how we sucked and how we were a dysfunctional org. Its all changed, so myself, keep the stats and WINNING IS THE ONLY THING.

you could stand a refresher course in psychology. bryant is a vain douche who is projecting his own limitations as a player onto carmelo who shares the exact same limitations. of course bryant would sympathize with what amounts to an extension of himself. both these dudes lack utterly the ability for self-reflection and introspection. in speaking about carmelo's problems he is speaking about himself.

There are several problems with this statement.


1. You can not say that he needs a refresher in a psychology "Course" and make a statement regarding self-reflection, when you really don't fully examine this subject or it's studies until about your second full year as a psych major... and this is coming from a psych major.

2. You say Carmelo lack the "ability for self-reflection and introspection" well, really there is no need to use both words, but okay. And the first flaw in your argument is his constant acknowledgement of "GOD", if you've taken a Philosophy and religion class along with that psychology class, you will know that ... the first rule in finding "GOD" is finding yourself, which is a direct cause for self reflection.

Also his ability to point out his flaws and the change in his game this year is called "self correct", which is brought upon "self reflection".

3. Exactly, what are Kobe limitations, and if these limitations have led him to 5 championships, and potentially the second greatest sg to play the game, is this really a valid argument?

4. I agree, Kobe is an a**hole but so are other greats. Michael Jordan was the biggest one!

5. Take away Kobe statements, you still have other players stating the same exact thing. Maybe Jason Kidd, Chris Mullen and Steve Kerr are more credible in your eyes. I would take what they say to the "bank" as well.

6. See, the problem with making statements about someone's character without knowing them can lead to a lot of misunderstanding ... It works both ways, I can "judge" you and say that you have a problem with self-reflection because of your inability to forgive the trade is directly linked to the inability to self reflect.

no need to waste keystrokes on me. melo and bryant are vain douches and their games are extensions of their vanity and douchiness.

i love players who play FOR others.
i like players who play WITH others.
i DON"T like players who merely play ALONGSIDE others.

Glad you admitted your position/agenda. I disagree about Melo. At least we can watch your team mvp tonight. Also, you have posted before that you felt that Melo would have had more character if he waited until he became a free agent and then signed with the Knicks. Is this still your position and the source of your Melo hate?

he could have waited. if he could have he should have, or why bother honoring the contract you are still playing under? that is a loophole that should be changed by including incentive clauses in walk years.

it was an unethical decision he made and i hate unethical behavior.

that said, if he puts his dirk on i will be pleased.


You say this, but completely ignored my post with actual FACTS, where NBA insiders said he made the right financial decision. Also I gave you Melo's explanation ... broken down. Also Laid out why your psychology claim is false. But you rather keep making assumptions instead of having a discussion based upon facts.

Her, please read the posts above. Theres a problem that cant be fixed here. Go back about 6 or 8 posts.Please.


Cooch you're right. I'm also done with the discussion. Impossible to have a meaningful debate with agendas. lose, lose situation. Can't be apart of that.
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12/15/2012  6:22 PM
Very good Her.Thank you for your sensitivitly(sp?)
Kobe talks about Melo

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