CashMoney wrote:We're 7-1 and need to point to Melo's TS%?

Give me Harden's TS% at the end of this season as top dog and then let's talk about it.

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:We're 7-1 and need to point to Melo's TS%?

Give me Harden's TS% at the end of this season as top dog and then let's talk about it.

The team is doing great. I never said otherwise. You can start a positive comments only thread if you think there aren't enough of them. I'd gladly contribute to such a thread because the team is doing many things very well.

Not the point. Comparing Harden and Melo is ludicrous.

mrKnickShot wrote:dK,

14-30
12-26
15-29
15-31

These are not bad games. And who should have taken the shots if not him?

Mike Bibby?
BD?
JR (could not throw it in the ocean if he was on a boat)?
Novak (he was in prison)

Chanlder? Don't make me laugh.

You have good points but you also overreach.

of the 15-odd shots he missed on average we can assume that 7-8 of them were bad shots that should have been assists or hockey assists to, lengthen the possession. as the "star" you have the responsibility of creating cohesion, not taking away from what little cohesion you must establish to remain competitive. we know melo is not a playmaker but what about working a possession. or do we pin this on woodson who, for lack of a better plan, decided to have iso-melo as the main thrust of the offense?

yes he played with lesser players last year but that is not an excuse to go away from he team concept. bryant had the same problem between the shaq and gasol eras.

3G4G wrote:Well thank goodness the Pacers were so bad today especially Hibbert but Melo taking 22FGA to score 26pts with 0ast will not prove beneficial in the long run if he duplicates this kind of output. He needs to learn to become a more efficient player.

Stats really don't tell the full story.

It was a few plays where he passed out but that particular player whipped the ball to a better shot.

Plus, a few of his attempt he was fouled on but no call but he was able to stay with the ball to eventually make a score with it.

NUPE wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

NUPE wrote:It is so funny to see people whine about Melo's fg% which is 44% right now.

Meanwhile:

The great Gallo is shooting 34% this year.
The great Lin is shooting below 35% this year.
The great Wilson Chandler is shooting 31% this year.

Melo is literally shooting just about 10% better than all the ex-Knick's and the "Gift".

please im begging you stop with the knicks vs former knicks crap. Lets focus on the good season we are having

Why should I?!?! We all know certain posters hate for Melo revolves around their lust for ex-knicks. Melo is shooting 44% and people are acting like he is shooting 35%. Eventually Melo will make more of his shots around the rim and his fg% will improve. And then people will find something else to complain about.

i hated hated hated the trade but i have had a season and a half+ to move on. now it's all about how to get our most expensive and costly acquisition to earn his max money and justify the trade which includes trading away decent players and mortgaging the future. you want to focus on who has been displaced which does zero to help the knicks cause. we are in win-now and nothing short of winning it all is going to satisfy me and many other knick fans. so if and when we stall at the ecf or sooner then the trade will look worse and worse.

i maintain an interest in ex-knicks like gallo and chandler and mozgov and lin because i enjoyed them as knicks, admired their games, and in gallo and lin's cases i saw very promising futures. so i keep tabs.

at the same time i expect to see melo evolve into a complete player and much of that completeness has to do with great defensive effort and hustle, and much better shot selection. assists are a lost cause since he just isn't a playmaker.

look at this afternoon's game. i'll make it easy for you and other melo acolytes to judge what is a bad shot for melo if you can be bothered to watch the game with these criteria in mind-- as i did:

1) he does that crappy little dribble in front of one defender from 20-25 feet out and bricks. that's a bad shot for him.
2) he does a catch and shoot and bricks. that's a bad shot for him.
3) any shot he takes after over-dribbling is a bad shot for him.
4) he takes a stop and pop 3 pointer off a semi break and bricks. that's a bad shot for him.

since he takes 1-2 shots of each category virtually every game you have 5-6 bad shots a game.

on the other hand he does a great and efficient job working a shot off the dribble if and when a pick or a quasi-screen is set for him. he should be calling for 5 or 6 more screens to be set for him each game.

he is not a good one on one jump shooter.
he is not a good catch and shoot shooter.
he is not a good shooter when he overhandles the ball.

knickscity wrote:

3G4G wrote:Well thank goodness the Pacers were so bad today especially Hibbert but Melo taking 22FGA to score 26pts with 0ast will not prove beneficial in the long run if he duplicates this kind of output. He needs to learn to become a more efficient player.

Stats really don't tell the full story.

It was a few plays where he passed out but that particular player whipped the ball to a better shot.

Plus, a few of his attempt he was fouled on but no call but he was able to stay with the ball to eventually make a score with it.

He's averaging 1.7ast on the season with 0 today....if this continues I can't see how it will prove to be a positive for us

yellowboy90 wrote:

Well he is no longer Mr. .470 so you have to mix it up. lol. On the real Bonn is a guy that puts a lot of weight into TS% and Berri and that's ok. We just have different opinions.

Cosign.

3G4G wrote:

knickscity wrote:

3G4G wrote:Well thank goodness the Pacers were so bad today especially Hibbert but Melo taking 22FGA to score 26pts with 0ast will not prove beneficial in the long run if he duplicates this kind of output. He needs to learn to become a more efficient player.

Stats really don't tell the full story.

It was a few plays where he passed out but that particular player whipped the ball to a better shot.

Plus, a few of his attempt he was fouled on but no call but he was able to stay with the ball to eventually make a score with it.

He's averaging 1.7ast on the season with 0 today....if this continues I can't see how it will prove to be a positive for us

It's the pass that leads to another pass to a good shot.

He doesn't get the statistical credit for that, but alot of that is going on.

Here's an interesting stat to put assists into perspective...

The Knicks are 27th in the league in team assists, yet are first in not turning the ball over at 10, and the next team is at 13.

You know what that tells me......

They are sharing the ball until someone has a great chance to make their move.

dk7th wrote:i hated hated hated the trade but i have had a season and a half+ to move on. now it's all about how to get our most expensive and costly acquisition to earn his max money and justify the trade which includes trading away decent players and mortgaging the future. you want to focus on who has been displaced which does zero to help the knicks cause. we are in win-now and nothing short of winning it all is going to satisfy me and many other knick fans. so if and when we stall at the ecf or sooner then the trade will look worse and worse.

Y do some of u guys root for the knicks? You've already decided that if we make it to the ECF our season was a failure. Did we give up Mike Jordan or did we trade for him? Neither, and that would be the only way your yard stick for success makes any sense. We r a better team now than we were before. Much better.

The only way the last bolded part you wrote makes sense is if we were championship caliber with the guys we traded and I don't think even YOU believe that. If thats the case, surely Denver is championship bound. If thats the case those guys we traded should be lighting it up. Killing. So far no luck on that either.

We're the best team in the NBA right now, but don't let that get in the way of your emotions.

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

3G4G wrote:

knickscity wrote:

3G4G wrote:Well thank goodness the Pacers were so bad today especially Hibbert but Melo taking 22FGA to score 26pts with 0ast will not prove beneficial in the long run if he duplicates this kind of output. He needs to learn to become a more efficient player.

Stats really don't tell the full story.

It was a few plays where he passed out but that particular player whipped the ball to a better shot.

Plus, a few of his attempt he was fouled on but no call but he was able to stay with the ball to eventually make a score with it.

He's averaging 1.7ast on the season with 0 today....if this continues I can't see how it will prove to be a positive for us

It's the pass that leads to another pass to a good shot.

He doesn't get the statistical credit for that, but alot of that is going on.

Here's an interesting stat to put assists into perspective...

The Knicks are 27th in the league in team assists, yet are first in not turning the ball over at 10, and the next team is at 13.

You know what that tells me......

They are sharing the ball until someone h
as a great chance to make their move.

Low assists but high PPG tells me something very different - they're getting a lot of their points from one-on-one play rather than passing.

DUH!

Assists mean you're putting players in position to finish plays and making them better what Melo has been credited to doing. So if we're 27th in assist it's exactly what you stated.

lol @ knickscity.

He goes on about Hockey Assists uhhhhh a hockey assist is an assist so if we're 27th in team assist then we're not sharing the ball enough.

Whoever made the last pass gets the assist.