mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:3-1 the rest of the way and it's a lock (even as it should already be one). And with Melo playing this way. People are just hating to be hating at this point.

No one is hating on Melo. When Melo was stinking it up and deserved to get bashed it was warranted. Now he's playing well and being the team leader he should've been.

Woody has also found a balance between his offensive style and the things that worked under MDA. There's been a clear change of approach, which was needed because the team was struggling on offense. Woody realized that Melo can play well in any style, but his role players need to play more of a style that they had before. Uptempo, Spread floor, PnR, Ball and Player movement. No more standing around and watching Melo. It's something that always could've worked, but now he's got them getting a bit more balance. They've still got to be careful with jacking up too many 3's but Woody is no fool. This style works for the roster he has. Pair that with the great D they play and this team can really compete in the playoffs.

And this epiphany that Mike to modify his style was right before the Boston game? Don't be silly. Mike has been complaining about tempo almost every game because ... wait for it ... a little longer ... BECAUSE B-SH1TTY COULD NOT GET THE BALL DOWN THE COURT WITH MORE THAN 4-5 SECONDS REMAINING ON THE SHOT CLOCK.

B-Sh1tty sits. Bibby-sanity comes in and guess what? We have some time to work with. Voila!!

BasketballJones wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:3-1 the rest of the way and it's a lock (even as it should already be one). And with Melo playing this way. People are just hating to be hating at this point.

No one is hating on Melo. When Melo was stinking it up and deserved to get bashed it was warranted. Now he's playing well and being the team leader he should've been.

Woody has also found a balance between his offensive style and the things that worked under MDA. There's been a clear change of approach, which was needed because the team was struggling on offense. Woody realized that Melo can play well in any style, but his role players need to play more of a style that they had before. Uptempo, Spread floor, PnR, Ball and Player movement. No more standing around and watching Melo. It's something that always could've worked, but now he's got them getting a bit more balance. They've still got to be careful with jacking up too many 3's but Woody is no fool. This style works for the roster he has. Pair that with the great D they play and this team can really compete in the playoffs.

And this epiphany that Mike to modify his style was right before the Boston game? Don't be silly. Mike has been complaining about tempo almost every game because ... wait for it ... a little longer ... BECAUSE B-SH1TTY COULD NOT GET THE BALL DOWN THE COURT WITH MORE THAN 4-5 SECONDS REMAINING ON THE SHOT CLOCK.

B-Sh1tty sits. Bibby-sanity comes in and guess what? We have some time to work with. Voila!!

The point is that things got better when Woody realized he should coach exactly the way Mike D'Antoni would.

You mean Offensively? Or Defensively too? If he can run MDA's SPREAD DEFENSE that would lock up the dynasty. FOR THE OTHER TEAMS!!

mrKnickShot wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:3-1 the rest of the way and it's a lock (even as it should already be one). And with Melo playing this way. People are just hating to be hating at this point.

No one is hating on Melo. When Melo was stinking it up and deserved to get bashed it was warranted. Now he's playing well and being the team leader he should've been.

Woody has also found a balance between his offensive style and the things that worked under MDA. There's been a clear change of approach, which was needed because the team was struggling on offense. Woody realized that Melo can play well in any style, but his role players need to play more of a style that they had before. Uptempo, Spread floor, PnR, Ball and Player movement. No more standing around and watching Melo. It's something that always could've worked, but now he's got them getting a bit more balance. They've still got to be careful with jacking up too many 3's but Woody is no fool. This style works for the roster he has. Pair that with the great D they play and this team can really compete in the playoffs.

And this epiphany that Mike to modify his style was right before the Boston game? Don't be silly. Mike has been complaining about tempo almost every game because ... wait for it ... a little longer ... BECAUSE B-SH1TTY COULD NOT GET THE BALL DOWN THE COURT WITH MORE THAN 4-5 SECONDS REMAINING ON THE SHOT CLOCK.

B-Sh1tty sits. Bibby-sanity comes in and guess what? We have some time to work with. Voila!!

The point is that things got better when Woody realized he should coach exactly the way Mike D'Antoni would.

You mean Offensively? Or Defensively too? If he can run MDA's SPREAD DEFENSE that would lock up the dynasty. FOR THE OTHER TEAMS!!

Since he's just running Dantoni's offense and Defense, I say we bring D'Antoni back in to finish out the season. What is the sense in having Pepsi when you could be having Coke?

mrKnickShot wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:3-1 the rest of the way and it's a lock (even as it should already be one). And with Melo playing this way. People are just hating to be hating at this point.

No one is hating on Melo. When Melo was stinking it up and deserved to get bashed it was warranted. Now he's playing well and being the team leader he should've been.

Woody has also found a balance between his offensive style and the things that worked under MDA. There's been a clear change of approach, which was needed because the team was struggling on offense. Woody realized that Melo can play well in any style, but his role players need to play more of a style that they had before. Uptempo, Spread floor, PnR, Ball and Player movement. No more standing around and watching Melo. It's something that always could've worked, but now he's got them getting a bit more balance. They've still got to be careful with jacking up too many 3's but Woody is no fool. This style works for the roster he has. Pair that with the great D they play and this team can really compete in the playoffs.

And this epiphany that Mike to modify his style was right before the Boston game? Don't be silly. Mike has been complaining about tempo almost every game because ... wait for it ... a little longer ... BECAUSE B-SH1TTY COULD NOT GET THE BALL DOWN THE COURT WITH MORE THAN 4-5 SECONDS REMAINING ON THE SHOT CLOCK.

B-Sh1tty sits. Bibby-sanity comes in and guess what? We have some time to work with. Voila!!

The point is that things got better when Woody realized he should coach exactly the way Mike D'Antoni would.

You mean Offensively? Or Defensively too? If he can run MDA's SPREAD DEFENSE that would lock up the dynasty. FOR THE OTHER TEAMS!!

Since he's just running Mike's offense and Defense, I say we bring Mike back in to finish out the season. What is the sense in having Pepsi when you could be having Coke?

I thing he is really still here (as a Dybbuk).

He just turned into a black guy and continued the mustache into a beard. Oh, and he shaved his head.

Well, as you know, he's a genius.

mrKnickShot wrote:He is as of yesterday since he started the run the Spread Offense. Thats why he was losing all the games before Boston.

You guys are amazing. You can actually watch something with your own eyes and still lie to yourselves. You can hear Woody himself state what the problems were and when his solution is exactly what I said it was you just continue to obfuscate and spin the issue. I like what Woody is doing. He's not being stubborn just to prove a point. He's using any means necessary to help this team win. For a while now i've been making the point that this team needed to improve it's offensive performance because against the playoff teams the meager offense they were playing wouldn't be enough. Yes they could win with just defense against the rest of the league, but the good teams that play D would eventually shut down an ISO Melo offense. Woody obviously agreed and made some adjustments. He didn't double down on more and more ISO, he instead opened the offense up a bit.

The team was struggling on Offense and so Woody took action to try and get the team back on track. You seem to think that this is about the timing of the changes and it's not. Why don't you breakdown the technical changes that Woody had the team make after he openly stated his disappointment with the way the offense was playing after the Bulls loss? If what I said was not accurately descriptive of what Woody had the team doing then you can say something, but you know that you don't have a leg to stand on. It was clear as day to anyone watching that they got back to spreading the floor and using the old sets which worked during the last win streak under MDA. The role players on this team function better that way. WHY, because those plays help less talented players to succeed and they always have. You can hate on MDA, But Woody respects the things he learned from MDA and said so. This team was getting stagnant on offense and they needed to change the way they were playing. So if you can argue against this point. Show us how Woody hasn't gone back to running more of the old sets. Don't lie tho, cuz i'll be reading to see just how you break down the plays and explain what sets they've been running.

One other point. You guys want to make it sound like the team was awful on D all year, which isn't true and would also implicate Woody who was also coaching here all season long. The team always had this defensive potential, but it took a committed effort from the teams best players to really make it all come together. I can guarantee that if Melo had not changed his effort level and commitment to D, the turn around would not have happened. On the year the team was good defensively except for the losing stretch just before MDA resigned when Melo tuned out and we had Jared and Tyson out. The stats prove this so don't lie. The team improved mainly because Melo stepped up and with MDA gone the team could just focus on winning and not drama. But let's not pretend that the team never showed they could defend like this under MDA cuz they did, when Melo and STAT were out. If you guys would stop lying about MDA and just put it to rest there would be no need to rehash this stuff over and over. The man is gone and it's Woody's team now, but let's not rewrite history and tell lies about what actually happened or didn't happen.

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:He is as of yesterday since he started the run the Spread Offense. Thats why he was losing all the games before Boston.

You guys are amazing. You can actually watch something with your own eyes and still lie to yourselves. You can hear Woody himself state what the problems were and when his solution is exactly what I said it was you just continue to obfuscate and spin the issue. I like what Woody is doing. He's not being stubborn just to prove a point. He's using any means necessary to help this team win. For a while now i've been making the point that this team needed to improve it's offensive performance because against the playoff teams the meager offense they were playing wouldn't be enough. Yes they could win with just defense against the rest of the league, but the good teams that play D would eventually shut down an ISO Melo offense. Woody obviously agreed and made some adjustments. He didn't double down on more and more ISO, he instead opened the offense up a bit.

The team was struggling on Offense and so Woody took action to try and get the team back on track. You seem to think that this is about the timing of the changes and it's not. Why don't you breakdown the technical changes that Woody had the team make after he openly stated his disappointment with the way the offense was playing after the Bulls loss? If what I said was not accurately descriptive of what Woody had the team doing then you can say something, but you know that you don't have a leg to stand on. It was clear as day to anyone watching that they got back to spreading the floor and using the old sets which worked during the last win streak under MDA. The role players on this team function better that way. WHY, because those plays help less talented players to succeed and they always have. You can hate on MDA, But Woody respects the things he learned from MDA and said so. This team was getting stagnant on offense and they needed to change the way they were playing. So if you can argue against this point. Show us how Woody hasn't gone back to running more of the old sets. Don't lie tho, cuz i'll be reading to see just how you break down the plays and explain what sets they've been running.

One other point. You guys want to make it sound like the team was awful on D all year, which isn't true and would also implicate Woody who was also coaching here all season long. The team always had this defensive potential, but it took a committed effort from the teams best players to really make it all come together. I can guarantee that if Melo had not changed his effort level and commitment to D, the turn around would not have happened. On the year the team was good defensively except for the losing stretch just before MDA resigned when Melo tuned out and we had Jared and Tyson out. The stats prove this so don't lie. The team improved mainly because Melo stepped up and with MDA gone the team could just focus on winning and not drama. But let's not pretend that the team never showed they could defend like this under MDA cuz they did, when Melo and STAT were out. If you guys would stop lying about MDA and just put it to rest there would be no need to rehash this stuff over and over. The man is gone and it's Woody's team now, but let's not rewrite history and tell lies about what actually happened or didn't happen.

Nalod wrote:
MDA aspired to have his stars fill roles and be a great team.

Woodson is winning with letting his team be good with his stars playing like stars.

MDA failed.

Woodson is achieving by lowering the standard.

Is one better than the other?

Yeah, winning is better!

Are we true contenders?

We can argue it all day long, but we need only tune in and see for ourselves!

nalod, i love your posts, but this is one of the crazy ones.

if going 15-5 is "lowering the standards"... let me ask you this - has any knicks coach in the past 10 years gone 15-5 over ANY stretch? i'm willing to bet money the knicks haven't gone 15-5 since JVG. (i looked it up, last year's d'antoni 13-1 stretch had long losing streaks on either side of the winning streak)

if you think coaches don't win by letting stars be stars, what the heck was phil jackson doing all those years?

i love that after years of playing .400 ball, we get a coach playing .750 ball and it's merely "good"

crzymdups wrote:

Nalod wrote:
MDA aspired to have his stars fill roles and be a great team.

Woodson is winning with letting his team be good with his stars playing like stars.

MDA failed.

Woodson is achieving by lowering the standard.

Is one better than the other?

Yeah, winning is better!

Are we true contenders?

We can argue it all day long, but we need only tune in and see for ourselves!

nalod, i love your posts, but this is one of the crazy ones.

if going 15-5 is "lowering the standards"... let me ask you this - has any knicks coach in the past 10 years gone 15-5 over ANY stretch? i'm willing to bet money the knicks haven't gone 15-5 since JVG. (i looked it up, last year's d'antoni 13-1 stretch had long losing streaks on either side of the winning streak)

if you think coaches don't win by letting stars be stars, what the heck was phil jackson doing all those years?

i love that after years of playing .400 ball, we get a coach playing .750 ball and it's merely "good"

Agreed. Does Scott Brooks allow Drant to be a star or does he try to fit him into a role and sacrifice his playbook in oder lowering the standard just to get wins? Is Spo trying to squeeze Lebron and Wade into roles? That post is ridiculous. All elite coaches who have the priviledge of coaching stars allow them to be....STARS. Whats the point of having an elite talent and then turn them into a rolse player?