Bonn1997 wrote:

Marv wrote:what i wanted to see is us hold out mozgov from this trade, or demand nene back if he were included. i think there's a point where you say enough is enough, and dolan or isiah or whoever was making it, wouldn't do it.

I wanted to see us hold Mozgov, Gallo, and Felton from this trade!

gallo i'm not sorry to see leave. he's a small forward whose value to us falls markedly witih melo on the team. felton's loss i can live with because of the decision-making and outside-shooting that billups brings. mozgov s of greater value to us imo. a full-sized center with physical dexterity, just growing into the game, and mda showing that he's willing to devleop him. and we are one tiny-ass team in the middle.

Marv wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Marv wrote:what i wanted to see is us hold out mozgov from this trade, or demand nene back if he were included. i think there's a point where you say enough is enough, and dolan or isiah or whoever was making it, wouldn't do it.

I wanted to see us hold Mozgov, Gallo, and Felton from this trade!

gallo i'm not sorry to see leave. he's a small forward whose value to us falls markedly witih melo on the team. felton's loss i can live with because of the decision-making and outside-shooting that billups brings. mozgov s of greater value to us imo. a full-sized center with physical dexterity, just growing into the game, and mda showing that he's willing to devleop him. and we are one tiny-ass team in the middle.

Our big men besides Stoudemire are Ronny Turiaf and Shelden Williams. And maybe Earl Barron. That's pretty awful.

Watch melo put the Knicks in contention THIS YEAR.

We traded Chandler and Gallo for Carmelo freakin' Anthioniy, yeah!!!

crzymdups wrote:guys, the only way to feel good about this trade is going to be to pretend it happened last summer.

Stat and Melo is a great foundation. Time to fill out the roster over the next year or so.

crzymdups wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Frankie Ice:

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SHEEEEIT! - But I'll get over it, just need this crap to be over.

Why don't we just give the whole ****ing team! I am really pissed.

We held on to Landry, at least. And that Amar'e guy.

Billups / Toney
Landry / Walker / (Kelenna?)
Melo / Shawne
STAT / Shelden
Turiaf / Barron

is a pretty damn good team. the only way Denver was ever going to do this trade was by putting us over a barrel and getting all our prospects.

This team will be in the 2nd round or ECF, depending on matchups though.

Okay, I realize what I'm doing is called rationalizing... but I do think Chauncey/Landry/Melo/STAT is a great start.

Marv wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Marv wrote:what i wanted to see is us hold out mozgov from this trade, or demand nene back if he were included. i think there's a point where you say enough is enough, and dolan or isiah or whoever was making it, wouldn't do it.

I wanted to see us hold Mozgov, Gallo, and Felton from this trade!

gallo i'm not sorry to see leave. he's a small forward whose value to us falls markedly witih melo on the team. felton's loss i can live with because of the decision-making and outside-shooting that billups brings. mozgov s of greater value to us imo. a full-sized center with physical dexterity, just growing into the game, and mda showing that he's willing to devleop him. and we are one tiny-ass team in the middle.

The really painful part is the word is this was done over Walsh's head who certainly would have waited till the 11th hour and this deal STILL would have gone through

Knickoftime wrote:

Markji wrote:I made numerous posts that it was Dolan who forced the TMac trade and gave up way too much. And, as we know, he is advised by Isiah. This trade also, same thing. Isn't the whole thing obvious?

What do you regard as equitable for Houston to receive in order to take on Jefferies contract?

TMac had a $20+ mil salary; hadn't played in 1 1/2 years; had major knee surgery; was disgruntled; the Rockets wouldn't even have him practice with the team. Nobdody in the league wanted him and he wasn't really ready to play many minutes at a quick paced NBA level.

We had to get rid of Jeffries $6.8 mil salary for 2010. Jeffries was playing consistant minutes and was a good defender. Terrible on offense. A good team guy. Positive in locker room.

A fair trade - giving the Rockets Jeffries; $3 mil; plus the #8 seed in the draft in Jordan Hill should have been enough if they knew how to negotiate. We took TMac and his high salary off their hands. Adding all of the extra picks is an Isiah/Dolan move. The picks are assets which were treated very poorly. If we had the 2012 1st round pick, we wouldn't have needed to give our 2014 1st round pick now.

Marv wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Marv wrote:what i wanted to see is us hold out mozgov from this trade, or demand nene back if he were included. i think there's a point where you say enough is enough, and dolan or isiah or whoever was making it, wouldn't do it.

I wanted to see us hold Mozgov, Gallo, and Felton from this trade!

gallo i'm not sorry to see leave. he's a small forward whose value to us falls markedly witih melo on the team. felton's loss i can live with because of the decision-making and outside-shooting that billups brings. mozgov s of greater value to us imo. a full-sized center with physical dexterity, just growing into the game, and mda showing that he's willing to devleop him. and we are one tiny-ass team in the middle.

I too would have drawn the line at Moz. That was one piece too many.

Markji wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I like Corey Brewer a lot, I hope we play him and I think he helps our bench a TON.

in Minnesota games this season, he's looked like a FANtastic defender and can hit the three.

Seriously - Brewer is good.

He can't shoot the 3.
This year he's shooting 26% 1.8 attempts/game
career 31% with 1.7 attempts/game

He is a good defensive player but not a good rebounder.
This year 2.7 reb/game
career 3.3 reb/game

Lets see him practice the corners and the elbow in the offense and see how many he can hit.

Brewer may definitely have Diaw potential here

Childs2Dudley wrote:

VDesai wrote:

Markji wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I like Corey Brewer a lot, I hope we play him and I think he helps our bench a TON.

in Minnesota games this season, he's looked like a FANtastic defender and can hit the three.

Seriously - Brewer is good.

He can't shoot the 3.
This year he's shooting 26% 1.8 attempts/game
career 31% with 1.7 attempts/game

He is a good defensive player but not a good rebounder.
This year 2.7 reb/game
career 3.3 reb/game

Lets see him practice the corners and the elbow in the offense and see how many he can hit.

Brewer may definitely have Diaw potential here

This is a stretch. Diaw had only played 2 seasons in Atlanta before going to Phoenix. Brewer may still be young but he is also in his 4th season and has not improved at all since he came into the league. Not even a little bit.

I wouldn't say that. He basically missed an entire year with an ACL and was actually pretty good last year. He started the year poorly but has come on a bit. He certainly has a lot more pedigree than Diaw at this point.

Now we don't know the true details of the negotiations but it looks like the Knicks got taken a little bit.

I don't think Billups part of the trade helps us, he doesn't fit the system but maybe he will help us land CP3. Now Dolan needs to lobby hard to get a new CBA that will allow this franchise to fill out the roster. However, that will also help LA, Boston, and Miami.

We will also get to see if Fields is the real deal now, I think he is - but Gallo and Chandler took a lot of attention off him. Maybe the double team on Melo will do the same thing. We need a shooter and we are in good shape.